you might think twice about sending your kid to college in Texas

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/10/national/main20061383.shtml


Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

Republicans ram through measure by attaching it to spending bill after failing to pass it alone; Universities opposed


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Supporters hope Monday's vote will help shove the measure past a roadblock in the House, where a similar bill has been stuck without a vote in that chamber with just a few weeks left in the legislative session.

"Campus carry has more momentum than a runaway freight train," said W. Scott Lewis of Students for Concealed Carry, a nationwide group backing the measure.

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Texas is where concealed handgun license holders are allowed to skip metal detectors in the state Capitol, and Perry made headlines for shooting a coyote on a morning jog last year. Earlier on Monday, senators voted to allow themselves to carry concealed handguns into places the rest of the public cannot, such as churches, restaurants and sporting events.

Perry has said he supports the campus guns measure and is expected to sign it into law if it reaches his desk.
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what a tough guy Perry is - shooting a coyote

nt

Don't be hyperbolic.

:rofl:

I guess we cannot count you in as one of them?

With apologies to our Texas DU'ers, Rice, and UT Austin.

Oddly, recruiters from Texas Christian keep calling our house trying to get past me to talk to my teenager. As _IF_.

I hope you folks do think twice. Texas does look like a scary place. Don't send your kid here where s/he will take up a slot that should go to a Texas kid.

private schools such as Rice, Baylor, SMU, TCU may allow or deny legal CCW on their campuses as they see fit.

Thanks to CHL on campus. A CHL holder is more trustworthy than a cop or security guard.

What if they are both? ;)

But they better stay out of Texas, Utah, Colorado, Washington State and the other states that permit CCW holders to carry on campus.

They better check the stats for all the other states and cities with higher violent crime rates than Texas.

At last that way you'll know your kid may be in greater danger, but at least they won't have to worry about a law abiding person carrying on campus, only the criminals and crazies that prey on students.

if anyone chooses not to come to Texas for a proven non-issue then . . .good. They shouldn't be wasting our tax money on an education that is likely pointless.

Good news...

:popcorn:

...you might want to consider not adding anything at all. I, for one, grow a little tired of only seeing posts from you along the lines of "oh boy, that'll rile up the Gungeon crowd" as if objecting to a lousy argument were somehow a character flaw.

ETA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0LmYEjXNIg

I'm tired of the same answers 'settled law' 'gun grabbers' etc. If you don't like it TS. And don't even suggest where or when I can post.

Good luck with that....

I was making a suggestion as to the content of your posts. As in, try inserting something of substance for a change. If you can.

Same answers--'settled law' 'gun grabbers' 'there is no gun show loophole' and 'that's a strawman'.

Then sharpen up your data set. Falling back on petty harassment is an admission of failure.

unfortunately our governor gave the freight train momentum money away to other states.

Mama's don't let your babies go to college in Texas.

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Seems many here have it. To each his own. I grew up around guns, got my first .22 rifle at age 12. Currently, I own 19 guns, but haven't shot any of them in almost 20 yrs. I suppose I could get a small fortune for them right now, but I don't need the money and almost all of them were passed down to me from my father and granddads. All are kept unloaded and under lock and key.

I am an old "country boy". Born and raised in Texas and I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. I never really got into hunting.
I hunted rattlesnakes for a few years, but you don't need a gun for that. I value nature, and I love to see wildlife, but never really cared for game meat. When I shoot an animal, it's with a camera.

As far as concealed carry on campuses? Doesn't bother me. Everyone I know with concealed carry licenses are very responsible.
My family is loaded with law enforcement officers from state troopers to federal deputy marshals. I more afraid of those who don't have a CCW permit. They are the ones most likely to use a firearm irresponsibly.

"Well, my friends Smith & Wesson say otherwise."

... someone who has enough disdain for the law to threaten/shoot their professor in the face over a grade is courteous enough to go through certification and registration and only carry once that process is complete.

Good thinking... :eyes:

like letting guns in bars - madness

Do you actually know what this law will permit?

...that you failed to look at the stats before making that post. Did you ever bother to view the stats in states that do allow guns in bars? Yeah, didn't think so.

and off-campus apartments do you think already contain guns? And yet, the bloodshed in these places is infinitesimal (except for the fistfights)...

in restaurants that serve alcohol?

"Blood (and booze} running in the streets, I tell ya!"

which are nonexistent. The same theory applies.

Or something....

And if you can cite some stats that show that "guns in bars" has been an increasing problem since the laws passed, it would help your credibility.

Tom Lehrer, "Bright College Days" (1959)

How many students still routinely drink martinis these days?

Really?

You need to look at the facts.

They won't be handing guns out at freshman orientation. A person has to have a CHL which requires being at least 21.

CHL holders can already carry everywere else. All the frat parties are off campus. They won't be effected by the law.

So, what was your point, anyway?

I mean, if you're sufficiently out of your tree to threaten your instructor's life over a failing grade, why should you let the fact that the student code of conduct prohibits guns on campus stop you? Hell, even if you did, you could always threaten to go to the professor's house some evening.

:wtf:

The vast, east berlin-esque, walls cutting off college campuses from the outside world? Checkpoints with machine guns and scary looking guards every 50 ft? Metal detectors and pat downs between classes?

and by attacked that would be in any way by a student for not getting a passing grade? Anything at all because you would think if a student was unstable enough to shoot a prof, then they would be unstable enough that they would attack with hands, feet, club, knife or in any way, not just a gun.

"...but I see it's against the student code of conduct to bring a gun onto campus, so I guess I'll just have to accept it."

has been the policy of a viable percentage of college students in Texas for a long, long time. Following the Texas Tower random murders concealed carry became standard for many. We (I mean they) simply stayed out of trouble and did not talk about it.

The prevailing attitude was and still is "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6".

Finally, Texas has decriminalized common sense.

I, my wife, and our 4 children are all graduates of Texas Colleges. This decision is way past due.

Semper Fi,

There's plenty to malign him for without taking stuff out of context.

The way you talk...sure makes it look like you don't know much about them.

When you have lost a few family members to them - yes, our dogs ARE family members - you might start to have a different opinion about shooting them.


RIP:

Bearbear

Booboo

Peanut

Shera

All to coyotes.

I guess one wouldn't have to worry about 3 packs of them being within 50 yards of ones home on three sides simultaneously...when one lives in the keys.

Nor, apparently, does does one apply any thought to others not so geographically secure from such things.

they are different in the east vs the west. I never heard of them in packs until coming to Florida and attacked one of my dogs.

I used to volunteer as a tour guide at a wolf sanctuary, and we kept a couple of coyotes for, among other things, the purpose of illustrating the physical differences between wolves and coyotes, because you practically never see them in the same place. As a result, I had to bone up a bit on coyotes, and one of the things about them is that coyotes defy any attempt to find a pattern in their behavior. Supposedly, coyotes normally live and hunt in pairs, operating out of a den but ranging up to 20 miles from it in search of prey, which is typically rodents, or carrion from larger predators. But they've been observed to form into "aggregate packs" and even to employ remarkably sophisticated tactics to bring down game as large as deer: several pairs will operate in relays to chase the deer and wear it down, and when they think it's tired enough, they drive it into an ambush, where a few more coyotes are lying in wait.

Bottom line is, they're clever and ruthless rascals, and they can and will adapt to about any situation. About the only that'll keep them in check is wolves.

Could be doing it a favor if it is in the latter stages of rabies or distemper.

... in which case, there shouldn't be an issue since nobody will actually avail themselves of the freedom to do so. Problem solved, surely?

professor? Rather than get a gun or bat or knife and carry it on campus illegally yet easily (because there are no searches or security that check for guns) and use it against the professor despite the "no gun zone" sign posted nearby like in all of the school shootings so far in recent history, you think... you think that our evil little student is going to apply for a chl, fill out the paper work, pay the fees, do the training and wait for his little card to come in the mail and then after all that go skipping down the street with his gun in his pocket to the classroom with a smile on his face because finally he can break through that "no gun zone" sign and bring a gun on campus so he can shoot his professor?

This is what yall think? So we should not allow CHL based on this reasoning?

Is there a non-schizophrenia induced argument against CCW on campus?

for college this would be an extra incentive to send them to a Texas school.
This makes them much safer from a madman.

...but not because of this.