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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:09 PM
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Federal suit filed over Illinois’ concealed carry ban
The Second Amendment Foundation has filed a federal suit challenging the state’s ban on concealed carry. From a press release…

“Every other state has some kind of regulatory scenario,” noted. “Even in Wisconsin, where there is no concealed carry statute, the state attorney general has recognized that open carry is legal. Only Illinois makes it statutorily impossible for average private citizens to carry firearms for self-defense.

“Whether Illinois lawmakers like it or not,” he added, “the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is the law of the land. A complete prohibition simply does not pass constitutional muster. The state cannot stick it’s head in the sand and pretend this problem does not exist..”

* The lawsuit contends that the state’s “Unlawful Use of Weapons” statutes are unconstitutional because they “prohibit otherwise qualified private citizens from carrying handguns for the purpose of self-defense.”

http://capitolfax.com/2011/05/13/federal-suit-filed-over-illinois-concealed-carry-ban/
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:19 PM
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1. Just weigh the state's compelling interest in discouraging gunsmanship against wacko paranoia.
If you want to improve society's security against gun crimes, then you come out against manufacture, sale, and possession of guns and ammo.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:27 PM
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2. Oh, you can't get drugs anymore, right? Cause they're banned..
Derp, de derp de derp.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:30 PM
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3. You would have public policy defined by the scurrying roaches?
No, we take a stand and we stick with it and follow through on it.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:42 PM
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4. Anxious for the heydays of Prohibition, are you? And on another front?
We're already suffering the economic, personal, and social impact of one "War on (Some} Stuff TM", and you want to add another?

Life must be rosy in whatever gated suburban community you live in.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:44 PM
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5. Morphine isn't sold from the shelf anymore. It's sold, if at all, from behind the glass.
Just need to bring guns and ammo into the 21st mercantile century, Digger.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:44 PM
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10. It's sold on the corner.. if you ventured outside your little bubble, you'd know this. n/t
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:13 PM
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17. And child pornography should go unchecked because people have young children they can photograph.
It seems to me that you are unwise and unthoughtful in your responses.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:45 PM
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22. So than let's ban the availability of cameras, film and memory sticks.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:57 PM
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23. How is it that your reply does not match my post? Hm?
Care to address what I said, rather than what your next talking point is?

Care to actually put thought into a response, for once?
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:49 PM
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11. no, stop paying your drug dealer and start growing your own
and the gangs will be back to switchblades and tire chains just like before Nixon's war on drugs.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 09:13 PM
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14. The state HAS NO compelling interest ...
The state HAS NO compelling interest in discouraging gun ownership.


In fact, the state is expressly forbidden from having that compelling interest.


Thanks for playing shares.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:21 PM
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18. Oh, so you are fighting the American Civil War again.
Perhaps you need to be reminded of how self-indulgent and unjustified that war was.

Forgive me if I don't indulge you a full blown redux of it.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:34 PM
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20. Says the guy that suggested bringing in foreign armies to confiscate lawfully owned guns.
:rofl:
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:39 PM
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21. That's the kind of xenophobia which attempts to smear loyal Americans.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 05:11 AM
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26. Pointing out what YOU suggested, is not xenophobia.
No matter how much you might wish otherwise.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 10:41 AM
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27.  So, how are the negotiations going?
Has Mexico and Canada agreed yet?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:10 AM
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29. Perhaps, or perhaps that position makes one sound like a loon.
So far, its the latter.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:53 PM
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6. we should be able to carry
a concealed or not concealed side arm, rifle, or shotgun. yesterday there was a shooting at a local liqueur store. if someone would have had a concealed or unconcealed weapon the shooters would have been dead or wounded.

but that god....no one was injured and the shooters were arrested in less than an hour.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:02 PM
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7. Focus on the availability of guns to the perps. If they were scarce, perhaps no crime?
Instead you are focusing on guns as solution to guns.

Can't you see how illogical you are being?
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LibertyFox Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:07 PM
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8. And you're focusing on law-abiding owners
Can't you see how illogical you are being?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:14 PM
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9. Here is my logic. It avails us not at all to try to identify your law abiding.
Because law abiding can turn into murderous villian suddenly and without notice.

~and~

Because the access given to law abiding is the same abundant access which places capricious death in the hands of villians.

Need to make guns and ammo scarce for everyone, across the board.

If you have a problem with that, then one must wonder why you want the means to conveniently and efficiently kill?
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:55 PM
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12. so tell me again why
Finland, Norway, and Switzerland are not bloodbaths and Russia, Brazil, and Jamaica are?

I wonder what your disillusionment will be like when your "solution" does nothing or makes things worse.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:03 PM
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16. Sorry missing your point.
These are countries which encourage or tolerate guns in the hands of their citizens?

And where do you want us to reside among the most belligerent of the bunch?

Just who do you want the option to conveniently kill Johnston?
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:43 AM
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24. Actually, yes. Switzerland actually forces some to.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:49 AM
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25. Sorry I spaced the second two questions
What are they doing right?
sense of community
lower wealth inequality
not pissing money away on empire
proper funding of schools
national/non profit health care
teachers and welders are role models instead of overpaid clowns playing a kid's game
free school K-PhD
no bullshit drug war lining the pockets of the private prison industry and other parasites

To your last question, no one.
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Blown330 Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:22 PM
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19. No guns, no crime he says...
...but apparently doesn't seem to understand that Britain tried that and has a higher rate of violent crime than the US (and more than a dozen other "civilized" European countries for that matter). No guns, no crime? That's laughable.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 10:50 AM
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28. Some people have shown over time...
...that they are so amazingly disconnected from reality that they no longer warrant a response. I used to argue with shares in the past, but found it's simply not worth it. Usually if you don't respond to him, he just goes away on his own. :P
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 09:03 PM
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13. The need to consider the need of the people to be safe, over the paranoia of the antis
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 09:29 PM
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15. The NRA has joined with the SAF in the suit. N/T
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:35 AM
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30. It would be funny if they were forced to go constitutional carry
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TPaine7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:30 PM
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31. Unlicensed open carry for sane adults with clean criminal records...
from sea to shining sea.

That's the logical landing place.

Perhaps the Court is trying to time that ruling after universal health care because of the heart attacks it would induce in the politicians in Illinois, California and New York--many of whom believe in concealed carry. (For themselves and their bodyguards.)
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