Lunatic in Staten Island gun rampage

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/lunatic_in_si_gun_rampage_WCfGRt4sTWlWc4ZQvMM0BL

A crazed gunman blew away his business partner inside the victim's Staten Island home, wounded his wife, then held a weapon to their neighbor's head and pulled the trigger -- but the gun jammed.

The killer, Ilya Iglanov, 48, was finally shot to death by cops after a tense standoff.

Semyon Levin, 52, died after he was shot in the head, while his wife, Marina Tartakovskaya, 45, was wounded in the stomach, during the violence in the home at 115 Collyer Ave. in Annadale, according to cops. She was in stable condition at Staten Island University Hospital last night.

The drama began around 12:30 p.m. when Iglanov showed up at the home of Levin and Tartakovskaya, who ran a business developing military-grade flashlights.

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Guns are the answer of all questions.

yup

For once , we are in agreeance .

Care to retract your statement

just drive by news posting.

uber moran I read somewhere else.

The likelihood of a Russian immigrant flashlight manufacturer having a NYC carry permit is vanishingly small. No, the guy bought some ancient "Ring of Fire" jam-o-matic off an illegal source and illegally carried it to the victims' house with the premeditated intention of killing Levin at least. This was emphatically not a case of the guy "just happened" to have a gun on him "in the heat of argument."

So pretty much like almost all cases that initially get reported as the guy "just happened" to have a gun on him "in the heat of argument."

Now that would have been newsworthy.

Sonoman

:sarcasm:

A guy like this can legally carry in some states (obviously, not after this gun induced incident). And the gunners here would like to see it in every state.

Nope, don't have stats to prove it -- but, it's true.

Of course you don't,never do.

to commit murder, and the (il)legality of carrying the weapon from point A to point B had no impact on and no relation to his behavior...

The very notion of people toting there is beyond ludicrous. I can totally see why someone might want to carry in Bumfuck Idaho where the population density is 5/sq. mile. Fire a gun in Manhattan and you'll probably hit at least 3 people.

I'm in NYC. Would you care to expand a little on "*sigh* The fail is beyond amazingly strong with this post"
I would not presume to tell you what to do in Milwaukee, but I've spent 10+ years in this city and still have to meet anyone who thinks carrying a gun without a REALLY good reason is OK.

I just happen to think " I want to " is a really good reason

but they were taught by the age of 3 that I wanna doesn't hold much sway when it affects the lives of others and goes against societies mores. You can trumpet individual rights all day, but at the end of that day, society's rights will prevail.

...equates perfectly with concealed carry. I mean wow, it's amazing how alike the two activities are!

:sarcasm:


Now, how about you explain exactly how concealed carry "goes against societies mores." I'd really love to see your evidence.

Do you honestly believe most people are comfortable with individuals toting guns around in public? If so, the you need to do some serious reality testing. And if people weren't bothered by it, why would toters choose to hide their guns? OC would definitely serve as a better deterrent of potential attack than CC. Either toters are too embarrassed by their behavior or they do it for the "surprise defense", which is laughable. I'd really love to see your explanation.

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And just to add to it a bit, I think it's shockingly arrogant to assume that just because YOU are uncomfortable with the thought of people carrying firearms that the MAJORITY of people must feel the same way. If this were the case, then we would not see the popular support that exists for concealed carry. I believe this is something that has been pointed out to you several times already on this forum, and yet you continue to ignore it.

that "tote" in public you just don't know it.

And if people weren't bothered by it, why would toters choose to hide their guns?

Generally it's based on how I'm dressed or if I'm going to be in a location ( IE city building) that I know prohibits open carry.


And if people weren't bothered by it

W/ all due respect I really don't care if my lawful exercise of a civil right bothers you

Maybe. Or it could attract attack by someone who wants to steal a gun or by an an already-armed assailant who decides to shoot the guy with the gun first.


None of the above. You're wrong again. OC is illegal in my state; CC is the only option. I bow to the superior wisdom of my state legislators.

Anything else I can explain for you?

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Although perhaps I'm a bad judge, because I wouldn't be hugely bothered if people danced naked and rutted made love in the street, either - just so long as they kept the doorways clear... :)

What's funny is I was tempted to ask what was wrong with dancing naked in the streets, but didn't want to appear to be attempting to derail the conversation. :P

I mean Ann Coulter............................... :puke: :hurts:

Attend at your own risk to your perceived mores.
http://www.folsomstreetfair.org/

...on elaborating why your post was so much fail. But thank you for the compliments of my home state.

Yeah, they were packed like sardines on those sidewalks, day and night. You could hardly breathe.

I do remember, though, that the NYPD managed to hit Amadou Diallo with 19 out of the 41 shots they fired at him, but didn't hit a single bystander. Bad times.

BTW, you might want to avoid references to "Idaho" so as not to offend the residents of Bumfuck.

I still cant find a straight answer on this. If I went to NYC I would prefer to carry, but havent found out if I can. Live two hours or away and havent gone there.

Pick your city. Dallas, San Antonio, Ft. Worth, Houston, Detroit, Omaha, Oklahoma City, New Orleans, etc. Pick any major city in a shall-issue state. They all have crowded downtowns. Las Vegas has a super-crowded downtown. They also have people who legally carry guns and aren't LEO. Your scenario of the CCWer shooting piles of innocent bystanders hasn't happened in real life.

...or the ship on the old Snapple labels being a slave ship.

They don't have any real evidence for it, but they're certainly convinced it's true.

Got mugged twice and had my car broken into, lost several thousands of dollars of belongings the night before I shipped off to my first USAF tour in England. Cops? Don't make me laugh.

Did you know that there are 24 hour shops to get windows replaced in NYC, because so many cars get broken into?

Bloomberg can kiss my ass.

Without access to a cheap pistol that jammed he might have used a sword instead and more would have been killed:
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/08/nyregion/man-with-sword-kills-2-and-wounds-9-on-si-ferry.html?sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=all

Let's face it, there's not a high likelihood Mr. Iglanov possessed the weapon legally. If he had not yet acquired U.S. citizenship, New York state law would have prohibited him from possessing a deadly weapon of any kind. Even if he was naturalized, the chances of his having a permit to keep a pistol in NYC are pretty fucking slim. Moreover, if you managed to get a rare pistol permit in NYC, why would you waste it on getting a "Ring of Fire" .25-cal jam-o-matic? I think it's way more likely Mr. Iglanov bought the gun off some "associate" on Brighton Beach and, not knowing the first thing about firearms, let himself be sold a 20+ year-old Bryco/Jennings.