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DWC Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 10:24 AM
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Memorial Day
Edited on Sun May-29-11 10:26 AM by DWC
In armed defense of the United States of America, more than 1,343,812 of our citizens have died.

In armed defense of the United States of America, more than 1,529,230 of our citizens suffered wounds but survived carrying those physical scars for the rest of their lives.

In the history of the United States of America, approximately 30,000,000 citizens have taken the oath to defend under arms this Nation and its Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

Today, approximately 2,200,000 citizens are serving on active or reserve duty in armed defense of this Nation and its Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic

Today, approximately 23,500,000 military veterans are alive with intensive training in the use of arms and who continue to honor their oath to defend this Nation and its Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. I am one of them.

We veterans have all returned to the status of “civilian” but we have not forgotten who we are; what we have done; and the Rights for which we have fought. One of those is the Right of armed self defense.

Nearly 3 million of our forefathers and Brothers-In-Arms have suffered death or wounds in defense of our Unalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. I can think of no greater way to dishonor their memory and their sacrifice than to allow any of those Rights to be violated by domestic criminals in the name of cowardice or political correctness.

As we have defended our Nation under arms, so shall we defend ourselves.

Semper Fi,


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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 10:38 AM
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1. +1 from another Veteran. N/T
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 11:26 AM
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2. This Vet agrees.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 11:32 AM
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3. This old tanker agrees as well. n/t
Edited on Sun May-29-11 11:32 AM by one-eyed fat man
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PuffedMica Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 11:43 AM
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4. +1
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 11:44 AM
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5. right on
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 12:06 PM
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6. I applaud our vets too -- not so sure about defending ourselves against other USA citizens with guns

in public. I don't think that is -- or should be -- what Memorial Day is about.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 01:55 PM
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10. It's all about you isn't it. n/t
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mailman82 Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 12:22 PM
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7. OOO RAH
Semper Fi, Brother! Thank you!!!
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 01:09 PM
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8. +1 Thanks to all who have served.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 01:54 PM
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9. Well said Brother, Semper Fi
My son is now stationed in Afghanistan. US Army, Specialist, Field Medic/EMT
He makes this old Mud Marine Proud.


Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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DWC Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 02:36 PM
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14. He makes all of us proud !
Please tell him I said "Thank you for your sevice."

Semper Fi,
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 03:58 PM
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22.  Thank you, I will the next time I speak with him. n/t
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 01:57 PM
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11. Thank you, comrade. Aim High...
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 01:57 PM
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12. I served two
Edited on Sun May-29-11 02:11 PM by billh58
combat tours in the late 60's, and I have never found the need to own or carry a gun since. I took the same oath as all other military members, but I don't recall anything in there about packing heat as a civilian in the US.

If I were so inclined, I could buy a gun and exercise my 2A rights, but I choose not to. See, I fought for the right of choice as well, and the last I heard no one has told me that I can't own or use a gun for self-defense. I not only choose not to own a gun, I also choose not to knowingly place myself around people who feel that they need to carry a gun (legally, or not) in public for self-defense.

I also choose not to attend potentially violent public protests (right of assembly), or make loud, degrading comments in public about other races or religions (right of free speech). I know that I have these rights, and would fight for them again if necessary, but I choose not to exercise them to their full extent just "because I can."

Memorial Day is about honoring those who have given their lives so that we can enjoy the freedoms to discuss these issues in public. Using the occasion as a tool to deride those who don't agree with your position is disingenuous. We are not all "cowards," nor did we come about our views from a "politically correct" standpoint.


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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 02:10 PM
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13. Thank you on several levels for that post.
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DWC Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 02:48 PM
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16. Thank you for your service.
Edited on Sun May-29-11 02:52 PM by DWC
And you are absolutely correct. You are free to make your choices. No one has the right to question them. I certainly do not question or denigrate them here or in my OP. Conversely, I have made my choices and I will take strong exception to anyone that questions or denigrates them.

Semper Fi,
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 03:07 PM
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17. I normally do not
Edited on Sun May-29-11 03:11 PM by billh58
respond to posts in the gungeon, but your insinuation that those who disagree with your positions about public carry are "cowards," or are attempting to be "politically correct," was indeed meant to denigrate and belittle other opinions.

I take strong exception to your use of a day of remembrance in order to push a political agenda. Those of us who have served (including you) know more than anyone else the true meaning of Memorial Day, and it is not the proper occasion to denigrate those who disagree about public carry by calling them cowards. If that was not your intent, then I apologize for reading more into your words than you meant to say.

I do not celebrate Memorial Day, but I solemnly observe it and remember all of my buddies who were not as lucky as me, and came home in a box.
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DWC Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 06:23 PM
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30. It was not my intent. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Semper Fi n/t
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 06:32 PM
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31. No biggie and
take care.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 05:23 PM
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29. Why would you take exception to anyone who questions your choices
Did you not fight to defend the Constitution including our 1st Amendment rights to question even you and your choices. Many of us choose to defend the right to question anyone's choices. Deal with it and don't use the sacrifice of those who died in combat to support your personal choices, because in doing so you denigrate them.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 04:56 PM
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27. Thank you for your service, your thoughtfulness and your sanity
May you serve as an example of what America is truly about.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 02:40 PM
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15. Not to nit-pick, but...
I wouldn't exactly say all those soldiers who unnecessarily died during WWI, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, or the current Iraq war were in "defense" of this country. Very few wars this country has engaged in have been truly necessary, or even honorable.

If we were truly concerned solely with national defense, we'd abolish the standing army and issue every civilian household an assault rifle like Switzerland, who I might add has not been invaded by a foreign military power in quite some time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ufkwTM82e4
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Blown330 Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 03:32 PM
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18. I wouldn't nit pick either.
But I would take offense to your insinuation that the lives of soldiers were lost without honor. You seem to have a very poor grasp of what "defense" of this country truly means. Fortunately, members of the Armed Forces do understand and perform their duties regardless of what a small minority think.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 03:42 PM
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19. I meant no disrespect to those who have honorably served...
Indeed, its not the individual soldier's fault their leaders keep sending them into harm's way for no good reason. All soldiers die honorably, even if the war itself was less than necessary.

I just think a better case can be made for "national defense" if we quit butting into other countries' business and minded our own borders for a change.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 03:56 PM
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21. However it was disrespectfull. n/t
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 04:27 PM
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25. Well, I apologize if I offended any veterans.
I appreciate your service, as always.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 05:09 PM
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28. Because the wars, including the current one in Afghanistan are no honorable
in no way denigrates the honor of the soldiers who have died. We all know they died serving their country and obeying orders and protecting each other, but in no way defending the US, as was the case in Vietnam and Korea and Grenada and Panama and Iraq. The soldiers who died in all of those foolhardy excursions were victims of the politicians who shamelessly sent them to their deaths. The same self serving politicians who are never held accountable.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 07:13 PM
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32. Some are.
Some die doing VERY dishonorable things.

That aside, your response reeks of 'concern'.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 03:54 PM
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20.  I noticed that you left out WW2, deliberate omission? n/t
Edited on Sun May-29-11 03:55 PM by oneshooter
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 04:02 PM
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23. I think so
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 04:13 PM
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24. Yes, it was.
Edited on Sun May-29-11 04:19 PM by LAGC
While I'm not so sure WWII would have been necessary if not for the harsh conditions imposed upon Germany after WWI -- conditions that were a direct cause of fostering the Nazis into power -- Germany did declare war on us, and Japan did attack us first. So in a sense, that was a "defensive" war.

I just think in this post Cold War era with so many countries armed with nuclear weapons (which is a huge deterrent to any full-scale invasions of those countries' sovereignty) the necessity of keeping a standing army "in case another Hitler or Tojo arises" and starts busting out invading and conquering neighboring countries, isn't nearly as apparent as it once was.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 04:54 PM
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26. I disagree.
But not today.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 11:57 AM
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33. Thank you all for your service.
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