GUNS IN THE NEWS--Cinco de Mayo, 2004

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"MOULTRIE -- School officials now have determined that the boy who brought a loaded revolver onto a school bus Monday indeed had the gun in his backpack during the day and showed it to several friends.
The 9-year-old made a statement that could be called a general statement of bravado, Superintendent Leonard McCoy said Tuesday.
The Odom Elementary School student took his father's .22 pistol from a hiding place in their home, law enforcement officers said."

http://www.moultrieobserver.com/articles/2004/05/05/news/news02.txt

Quick...what right wing lobbying group that has odious nutcase Grover Norquist on its board publishes a gun magazine for kids?

Of course not, because if you did you'd see how much gun safety rules and adult supervision are emphasized in it.

But you're a catchphrase-spouting ideologue, not a critical thinker.

"you're a catchphrase-spouting ideologue, not a critical thinker."
Gee, I know horseshit from right wing loonies when I see it....and they don't get more loony than the NRA and Grover Norquist.

And who really fucking NEEDS to be told that a gun magazine for kids (with ads marketing guns to kids) is a crappy, irresponsible idea?

But then it's worth noting that same shitheels putting all the onus for gun safety on kids wanted to exempt the adults in the gun industry from liability laws.

...of the kids who bring guns to school or accidentally shoot someone went through a gun safety program of some kind. Think it's even a whole percent?

And who is putting the "onus" of gun safety on the kids? To the contrary, we are putting the onus on the adults to teach the kids not to play with guns.

But I know I'm talking to a brick wall here.

last year....

...I'm sure they raked in a lot.

What a scummy bunch....

Remember this one next time he gets on someone's case for not having done their homework.

Your scummy gun industry in action...

"NOONDAY -- A man who stockpiled an arsenal of illegal and chemical weapons at an East Texas storage facility was sentenced today to more than 11 years in federal prison while his common-law wife received nearly five years.
William Krar, 63, pleaded guilty in November to one count of possessing a dangerous chemical weapon and could have received life imprisonment. Judith Bruey, 55, had pleaded guilty to conspiracy to possess illegal weapons. She faced up to five years.
"In my 63 years, I've never been in serious trouble. For the record, I'm neither a terrorist or a separatist. I've never desired to hurt anyone or the country that I love," Krar said, reading from a folded, yellow paper.
Agents found nearly half a million rounds of ammunition, more than 60 pipe bombs, machine guns, silencers and remote-controlled bombs disguised as briefcases. Pamphlets on how to make chemical weapons and racist literature were also discovered.
Beside containers of hydrochloric, nitric and acetic acids, agents found more than 800 grams of almost pure sodium cyanide, enough to create a bomb that could kill everyone inside a 30,000-square-foot building, federal authorities said. "

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2547392

No doubt it was going to be a sodium cyanide bomb for self-defense.

But good job trying to compare a terrorist with mass-murder aspirations to the average gun owner. Your compelling arguments are really turning the tide your way.

where he didn't stand out in any way among the other crazies clogging the aisles...

"Your compelling arguments are really turning the tide your way"
Gee, op...I guess I'll just have to console myself with the FACT that the majority of voters across the board, the Democratic presidential candidate, most Democratic legislators, most Democratic mayors, and most liberal and moderate columnists share my views.

But don't worry...you got the sort who think the stentorian is big medicine on your side. Not to mention the wowsers in the Second Amendment Caucus.

How exactly does that coincide with your opinion that the Second Amendment has no such provision?

It's not my opinion...but the opinion of the courts and the ACLU, op.

I bet at the stentorian they'll be happy to lie and tell you different....but who'd be dumb enough to believe anything from a right wing cesspool like that?

MrB: "John Kerry agrees with me."

Op: "Actually, no he doesn't."

MrB: "So fucking what, you right-wing apologist!"

Thanks again for the intelligent adult discourse.

"“We can do better – if we put public safety ahead of powerful interests.  As President, I will fight to preserve and strengthen the assault weapons ban.  One in five law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty is killed with an assault weapon.  The police officers who put their lives on the line every day should not be outgunned by criminals armed with weapons of war.   We need to stand with them – and stand up to the NRA. "

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/crime/

Under "Increased Gun Safety"

"John Kerry strongly supports all of the federal gun laws on the books, and he would take steps to ensure that they are vigorously enforced, cracking down hard on the gun runners, corrupt dealers, straw buyers, and thieves that are putting guns into the hands of criminals in the first place.  He will also close the gun show loophole, which is allowing criminals to get access to guns at gun shows without background checks, fix the background check system, which is in a serious state of disrepair, and require that all handguns be sold with a child safety lock."

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/crime/

What the fuck any of this has to do with this humhiole in Texas (other than that op is desperate) is beyond me.

The one-in-five officers myth and calling AWs "weapons of war".

He'd do just fine sticking with facts on this subject.

John Kerry: I own guns and support the Second Amendment right to do so, with restrictions.

So exactly how does that make you two in "agreement"? I don't happen to agree completely with Kerry either, but then again I'm not using the Dem presidential candidate as an example of someone who believes as I do.

In fact, I've observed about three people on this entire Democratic message board who believe as you do.

Nowhere near important or draconian enough for me to not vote for him over it.

His positions have some internal inconsistencies. He parrots some propaganda at times, and his explanations of the meaning of the Second Amendment don't wash.

But he's really not much worse on gun owners' rights than is George W. Bush, and at the end of the day he is not George W. Bush.

at the end of the day he is not George W. Bush.

that the US never sees the likes of him again.

"John Kerry is a Lifelong Hunter & Will Defend Hunting Rights - John Kerry is a gun owner and he believes in the right to bear arms. During his Presidential announcement speech, Kerry emphasized his strong belief in the Second Amendment by saying bluntly: “I’m a hunter and I believe in the Second Amendment.” "

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/sportsmen/common_sense.html

Hell, I believe strongly in the Second Amendment too--the actual Second Amendment, not John AshKKKroft's wet dream...and like Kerry I believe it doesn't make gun control unconstitutional in any way whatsoever.

"how does that make you two in "agreement""
Been there, done that, op. Tell us again, the renewed assault weapons ban...did Kerry support that? Hell, he co-sponsored it.

...I'm not the one claiming that I share the same opinion as Kerry, you are. I'm opposed to the AWB and he supports it.

On the other hand, you think that individuals have no Second Amendment right to own a gun, whereas Kerry does.

and you obviously cannot.

"you think that individuals have no Second Amendment right to own a gun"
Not just me, op. The courts do too, and have ruled so AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. So does the ACLU.

If you and "the courts" and John Kerry all unanimously agree that individuals have no Second Amendment right to own guns, then why does John Kerry own guns?

There are two choices:

(a) John Kerry doesn't agree with you.
(b) John Kerry is a gigantic hypocrite.

So which is it?

Own a computer? Show me the amendment that says you have a right to own a computer.

Own a car? Show me the amendment that says you have a right to own a car.

Own a spoon? Show me the amendment that says you have a right to own a spoon. Does it make you a hypocrite to know there's no special constitutional protection for spoons and yet you're eating soup and cereal with one? Not fucking hardly.

Want to own a stamp collection? Do you think you have to wait till an amendment to the consittution that says you can own a stamp collection is passed by Congresss and three quarters of the states to go out and buy an album to put stamps in?

Hell, millions of people who own a gun don't believe there's any special protected right to do so, and rightly so, as the courts have ruled again and again and again.

Thanks for countering your own ridiculous argument. Saved me the trouble.

You're absolutely right...there are no specific provisions for computers, cars, spoons or stamps in the Bill of Rights. I guess the founders didn't think they were nearly as important to the survival of a free society.

"there are no specific provisions for computers, cars, spoons or stamps in the Bill of Rights"
Nor for individuals to own guns. As the courts have ruled again and again and again.

What the founders thought was important was a well-regulated militia.

The "well-regulated" isn't the qualifier, the "right to keep and bear arms" is. The militia isn't "well-regulated" if the people in it have no weapons.

From the earliest days, the well regulated milita was made up of collectively armed citizens. Or are you trying to tell us the National Guard relies on whatever recruits can scrounge up at home?

Glad you finally saw things our way, Ops!!!

:-)

The Second Amendment restricts the power of the federal government.

Agents found nearly half a million rounds of ammunition, more than 60 pipe bombs, machine guns, silencers and remote-controlled bombs disguised as briefcases. Pamphlets on how to make chemical weapons and racist literature were also discovered.

Gee, this sure sounds like a model citizen to ME!!! </sarcasm>

If this is your idea of the average gun owner, I think we're all in trouble.

turn out to harbor "I need my popgun for the glorious revolution" fantasies, and spout them every once in a while?

And again...he didn't stand out at all at the gun shows he attended and exhibited at...

the statement.. "In my 63 years, I've never been in serious trouble."

I guess he's making up for lost time.

"For the record, I'm neither a terrorist or a separatist."

So... what did you have all that gear for, y'freak?

"I've never desired to hurt anyone or the country that I love"

He loved it so much he had to kill it....or at least plan to and provision for.


I guess if his skin were a little darker he'd be recieving his boarding pass for a one-way flight to Camp X-ray.

Guess he had all that racist literature and the weapons to show his love for his fellow citizens....

"if his skin were a little darker he'd be recieving his boarding pass for a one-way flight to Camp X-ray"
In fact, this guy was only caught by ACCIDENT...AssKKKroft and company have turned a willfully blind eye to any threat posed by domestic terrorism, lest they alienate the really screwloose amongst their supporters.

From SPLCENTER.ORG

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=378

The linked article is also very chilling.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=271

Worth noting that this yobbo was detected by accident, and that AssKKKroft has downplayed and ignored domestic terrorism.

"RUTLAND, Vt. -- A Fair Haven Union High School student accused of threatening to bring a gun to school and shoot people has reached a plea deal that allows him to avoid jail.
Christopher Brown, 16, of West Haven pleaded no contest Tuesday in Rutland District Court to two counts of disorderly conduct. One of the charges involved a threat, overheard by a teacher, to shoot up the high school, according to court records.
According to court records, Brown was brought into court in March after a teacher reported hearing Brown say to another student, "I'd like to take a few of them down," "I would bring my guns to school" and "I would also bring my .22."
The teacher said she took the threats seriously, court records stated. The teacher told police she watched as Brown pantomimed shooting people in the school hallway as he made gunshot sounds."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2004/05/05/student_accused_of_gun_threat_at_school_avoids_jail/

Quick, what extremist right wing lobbying group that just held a "Pimp for the Chimp" jamboree in Pittsburgh publishes a gun magazine for kids?

"AKRON: A Tuesday morning confrontation left one man with a gunshot wound.
Police officers were dispatched to the 100 block of Bachtel Avenue around 10:30 a.m. to investigate a report of shots fired, according to the Akron Police Department. Officers found Ronald T. Jones II, 24, with a wound to the buttocks, and were told Jones was shot after several men confronted him."

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/local/8592428.htm

"A witness said she saw a group of men engaged in a gun battle at 7:08 p.m. in front of a building at 3802 Fir St., the report said. She reported that someone from a green, four-door Cadillac at 138th and Fir began firing shots toward several people in front of the building, and that fire was returned.
Police said they spoke to the shooting victim and another man at the hospital who said a man with an assault rifle appeared through the sunroof of the Cadillac and fired numerous rounds at them. After the victim was shot and fell to the ground, the vehicle sped off, the man said.
At the scene, police recovered a Taurus .38 Special five-shot revolver and five .38 caliber shell casings along with 20 spent casings from a large caliber gun, the report said."

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2004/05/05/news/lake_county/8c6fd258fae5d54386256e8a007f1ee6.txt

Guess this is another assault weapon the press is "lying" about....oh, those poor assault weapons.

"Five people were arrested Tuesday after an early morning shooting led Kennewick police throughout the city in a search for suspects.
No one was injured in the shooting, according to a police report.
Police were called about 7 a.m. Tuesday to Fourth Avenue and Washington Street on reports of shots being fired in the area.
Witnesses told police that one man was chasing another and finally shot at the other using an unknown type of gun. "

http://www.tricityherald.com/tch/local/story/5038976p-4967393c.html

"When Albuquerque police first began to investigate a 5 a.m. shooting on Andretti Avenue, they thought perhaps Andy Holguin was shot in the arm while trying to break into a home.
Now investigators believe some type of confrontation may have occurred in the street, and that flying bullets were the result.
Bullets from the alleged altercation blasted out the window of neighbor Paul Griegos home. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040505/lo_koat/2191719

Another family made safer by guns...

"A Greenacres man was being questioned Tuesday in the shooting death of his son.
Police said officers were called Monday night to 10th Lane after an unknown person in the home of Charles Mahoney called to say someone had been shot.
Police said they were interviewing Mahoney to find out if he's the one who shot his son, also named Charles Mahoney. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040504/lo_wpbf/2190852

"The elder Mahoney, charged with murder with a firearm, told police he feared for his safety because his son had threatened him several times, once with a small automatic pistol, according to police reports."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-pmurder05may05,0,4656879.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

"Witnesses and evidence in a double shooting on Fry Street Saturday night do not back up the claimof self-defense given by the man charged with murder and attempted murder, law enforcement officers say.
Justin John Farwell, 21, remained in Denton County Jail Tuesday in lieu of $200,000 bail on the charges. He could not be reached for comment.
"We don’t believe self-defense is an issue whatsoever," said Texas Ranger Tracy Murphree, who is helping Denton police on the case. "The crime scene does not match up with his self-defense theory."
Dallas Coldwell, 22, was declared dead at the scene in the parking lot of a small apartment complex in the 200 block of Fry Street after the shooting ended at about 9 p.m. Danny Eggleston, 22, was taken to Harris Methodist Fort Worth hospital by CareFlite helicopter with at least one bullet wound to his spine. "

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/drc/localnews/stories/DRC_Self-defense.19032ffb0.html

"GARLAND, Texas -- Garland police say a man who fatally shot his wife after mistaking her for an intruder will face murder charges.
Police said the shooting occured early Tuesday morning in the family's home when Marvin Ball, who was asleep on the couch, woke to what he thought was an intruder. Ball fired his weapon, only to find out it was his wife, Yolanda English, returning home."

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/3266888/detail.html

"An Akron postal worker was shot and killed outside his Goodyear Heights-area home Monday, NewsChannel5 reported.
Police say 53-year-old Richard Wright was shot while sitting in his car, which was parked in his home's driveway.
The coroner has ruled Wright's death a homicide. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040504/lo_wews/2190694

"BURLINGTON CITY - A Burlington Township man was arrested on weapons charges after residents spotted him carrying a loaded, sawed-off shotgun while walking down a city street, police said.
Terrell Forth, 23, of Latimer Way was also wearing a bulletproof vest and in possession of a knife and a small amount of marijuana, Detective Sgt. David Ekelburg said.
Police are still investigating why Forth was carrying the weapons and wearing the vest, the detective said."

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/112-05052004-294793.html

"A 6-year-old student allegedly brought a loaded handgun to her school in Pittsburgh's Hill District neighborhood, Channel 4's Emily Ryan reported.
Another child said he saw the girl with the 9-millimeter pistol in the Miller Elementary School cafeteria Monday. A teacher took the gun away without incident.
"It's a miracle that nothing bad happened. We really dodged a tragedy," said Robert Fadzen, chief of safety for Pittsburgh Public Schools. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040504/lo_wtae/2190635

Quick! Which really really scummy extremist right wing group publishes a gun magazine for kids?

"Hammond -- A 13-year-old boy was fatally shot in the head by a friend after they found a handgun, police said.
Andrew Norman, of Munster, died Monday after being shot once Saturday while he was at a friend's home on the southside of Hammond. The boys found a gun under a bed, police said, and Andrew was shot in the side of his head when the other boy unintentionally pulled the trigger while setting the gun down.
Andrew's friend was being held by Lake County juvenile authorities on a charge of criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon, said Officer Michael Jorden of the Hammond Police Department."

http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/143832-5061-009.html

Who can guess which extremist right wing lobbying group publishes a disgraceful gun magazine for kids?

I call it another preventable tragedy.

to the NRA's magazine...

:-)

South Carolina authorities have their priorities straight (snicker)....

"COLUMBIA -- In South Carolina, you can carry a gun with only eight hours of training, but if you want to braid hair for money, you'll need 350 hours of training.
Hair braiders along the coast have been shut down by the state Labor, Licensing and Regulation Department after the agency's cosmetology board insisted that the practice requires a license.
Randy Bryant of the licensing department said 350 hours "may be extreme," considering that only eight hours of training is required to carry a gun."

http://www.thetandd.com/articles/2004/05/04/business/business2.txt

But how think often you read about innocent bystanders getting braided by accident...

More scummy doings from the GOP...

"In 2001, the CPSC filed a lawsuit against Daisy Manufacturing, claiming that its PowerLine Models 856 and 880 were responsible for at least 15 deaths and 171 injuries, the majority involving children. Testimony by a Daisy Manufacturing engineer confirmed that BBs could get temporarily jammed in the corners of the magazine, making it appear that the gun is empty.
At the time, Ann Brown, who was appointed by President Clinton in 1993, served as chairman of the agency. In 2001, President Bush replaced Brown with Republican Harold Stratton Jr. Prior to the appointment, the National Rifle Association (NRA) had e-mailed a "special alert" to members warning that the government's recall could be used in future lawsuit against all gun makers.
Under Stratton's leadership, the agency dropped the lawsuit late last year. Instead, the government accepted an offer from Daisy Manufacturing for a $1.5 million publicity and labeling campaign to promote safer use of its products.
Administrative Law Judge William Moran strongly criticized the offer, calling it "empty." But Stratton said the lawsuit was "burdensome and inefficient" and would have led to "years of costly litigation." "

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/summaries/reader/0,2061,570783,00.html

One of the rootin' tootin' stars of the Second Amendment Caucus takes "personal responsibility" for his actions...NOT....

"LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- U.S. Rep. John Hostettler pleaded not guilty through his attorney Tuesday to a charge that he carried a concealed weapon into Louisville International Airport.
Hostettler, an Indiana Republican, wasn't at his arraignment in Jefferson County District Court. Attorney David Schuler entered the plea for Hostettler but wouldn't comment on the case.
On April 20, the five-term congressman was issued a citation by airport police for carrying a concealed weapon. The misdemeanor carries a maximum sentence of a year in jail and a $500 fine.
Hostettler was heading for a US Airways flight when the handgun was found in his briefcase, Jahr said last month. Airport screeners found a semiautomatic pistol and notified airport police."

http://www.indystar.com/articles/9/143764-1089-009.html

"FORT WAYNE, Ind. -- One man was shot and another stabbed in a fight that began during a track meet at Northrop High School.
The shooting victim was identified as former Northrop athlete Jamaal D. Gill, 21, of Fort Wayne. He was taken to a hospital in serious condition, police Capt. Tom Rhoades said. Keith E. Williams, 18, of Fort Wayne, was taken to a local hospital in fair condition with stab wounds.
Williams was arrested on preliminary felony charges of aggravated battery and possession of a firearm on school property."

http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/143890-1091-093.html

"Larry Williams placed a call to a friend while fleeing on Interstate 95 after allegedly shooting his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend in a Boca Raton Walgreens.
Williams called Erica Thomas on his cellphone to say he wouldn't be able to drop off some gas money as promised. When Thomas asked why, Williams replied: "I just shot Melissa's boyfriend," according to court records released Tuesday.
Williams, 54, pulled over and surrendered to Boca Raton police, who had been following him in response to the March 9 shooting in the pharmacy department of the store at Town Square on St. Andrews Boulevard.
Williams is accused of shooting to death Cedric Paulk, 26, and trying to kill Williams' ex-girlfriend, Melissa Dupree, who worked at the store. Williams has been charged with first-degree murder and attempted first-degree murder and remains in the Palm Beach County Jail."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/auto/epaper/editions/wednesday/south_county_0489467811a750710011.html

"CARROLL TWP. -- A manhunt resumed this morning for an armed and dangerous Ellsworth man who police say fired a high-powered rifle at officers in two incidents Tuesday.
More than 100 police officers have surrounded Franklin Evon Sebetich, 56, in a two-square-mile wooded area near Route 481, just outside Monongahela.
Sebetich also eluded police April 28 when they attempted to arrest him at his home on charges of robbery and a firearms violation in relation to an April 21 home invasion in Washington County.
Sebetich fired a high-powered assault rifle at pursuing officers out of the vehicle's passenger side, according to police. The chase ended when Brewer ditched the vehicle on Route 2023, after driving about five miles. Sebetich and Brewer fled on foot, police said. "

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleyindependent/news/s_192673.html

"The shooting happened about 11 p.m. in the 200 block of Southeast 59th Street. Eyewitness News 5 was on the scene just minutes after the girl was rushed to the hospital.
Although details about the shooting are still incomplete, Oklahoma City police said are treating the case as an accident.
Investigators said the bullet was fired from a small caliber handgun. However, police did not confirm the identity of the person who pulled the trigger. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040505/lo_koco/2192410