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jtb33 Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:24 PM
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Another "renew the AWB" article...
Edited on Wed May-05-04 12:38 PM by jtb33
Editorial


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Opponents often portray the ban as a sweeping infringement on the rights of law-abiding gun owners, but in fact the legislation affects a very limited number of weapons. Most are useless for hunting and too dangerous for home defense, and some are not even accurate enough to make for good target shooting.

This bill does not prohibit those weapons that might arguably be most useful for defending a person or a home; it does not affect the guns sought after by the vast majority of reasonable hunters and target sportsmen; and the precautions it requires of retailers are minor, considering the potential for destruction and loss of life such guns represent in the wrong hands. In reality, the assault weapons ban asks gun makers, sellers and purchasers to shoulder a very slight burden of responsibility in exchange for a potentially very large benefit for public safety. Will this legislation alone prevent such weapons from ever coming into the hands of someone who would use them to terrorize, intimidate or kill? Sadly, it will not. If it could have done such a thing, Espinoza might still be alive today.

But would the absence of this legislation, and the easier access to powerful assault weapons that would bring, make things worse? It most certainly would. The shooting of Espinoza is a sad reminder that we should be working harder to limit the availability of these weapons, not making it easier. The federal assault weapons ban must be renewed.


Not that it's anything new, but let's look at some statistics:

DOJ - Law Enforcement Officers Feloniously Killed

Six years prior to "Assault Weapon Ban":
Year....Total LEOs Killed...By Handguns...By Other Guns...By Other Methods
1988........78.................63............13..............2
1989........66.................40............17..............9
1990........66.................48.............9..............9
1991........71.................50............18..............3
1992........64.................44............11..............9
1993........70.................50............17..............3
TOTALS.....415................295............85.............35

Six years after "Assault Weapon Ban":
Year....Total LEOs Killed...By Handguns...By Other Guns...By Other Methods
1995........74.................43............19.............12
1996........61.................50.............7..............4
1997........70.................49............18..............3
1998........61.................40............18..............3
1999........42.................25............16..............1
2000........51.................33............14..............4
TOTALS.....355................240............92.............26

CHANGE...(-14%).............(-19%).........(+8%).........(-26%)

*** The number of police killed by non-handgun firearms (including "assault weapons") has NOT DECREASED since the passing of the "assault weapon" ban in 1994 but has in fact INCREASED since the passage of the AWB.

And this comes despite the decrease in the number of LEOs killed by all other means INCLUDING handguns.



Now, just out of curiosity, what do you use to defend your home in case of an intrusion? (eg - telephone, bat, knife, Mossberg 500, AR-15, Glock, etc)
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:25 PM
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1. Glock 21 is my nightstand piece.
I carry a Kahr P9.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:16 PM
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8. Do you like the Kahr?
I've been thinking of getting one.
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:30 PM
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2. USAS 12
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:32 PM
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3. Both your links are dead as Heston's brain....
And the bullets for brains bunch already has a thread sniveling and crying about this article...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=55126&mesg_id=55126&page=
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jtb33 Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:38 PM
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4. Fixed
They had an extra "http://" in the links. They work now.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 06:35 PM
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6. The articles intentionally mischaracterized the weapon used...
...in an attempt to promote the AWB, which is completely unrelated.

It's funny how intellectual dishonesty is no big deal when it's committed by people with an anti-gun agenda.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:12 PM
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7. It's even funnier
to hear somebody who was pretending the stentorian was a real source of anything bitch about the San Francisco Examiner.



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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 09:40 PM
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9. Was that website not the host of that photo of Feinstein?
Edited on Wed May-05-04 09:45 PM by OpSomBlood
Or was it just my wild imagination?

Benchley's hero:



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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:01 PM
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12. Gee, op...better Feinstein than Pete Coors
One of us was sniveling about poor Pete Coors, and posted crap from the Stentorian AGAIN. It wasn't me.

And I do respect Feinstein...but then most decent people get lied about by right wing scum these days.

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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:13 PM
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13. Pete Coors...Stentorian
Stentorian...Pete Coors

Feel free to let me know when you develop some original fucking material.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:31 PM
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14. That sums your contribution up
You planning to change your spots any time soon?
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:39 AM
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16. I've got 582 posts.
"Stentorian" and "Pete Coors" combined represent two of them.

You're the only one who keeps bringing them up, as though they are somehow applicable to every topic.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:04 AM
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17. Gee, op...
They're pretty much representative of your content.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:28 AM
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18. Allow me to "represent" your content:
bullets for brains
Glocksucker
skulking to church with popguns
look who Dick Cheney hangs out with
scumbag gun industry
peddle right-wing horseshit
(snicker)
only neurotics own guns
the VPC and Brady never lie
turds from right-wing cesspools
shitbird
shitheel
"gun rights" is a lie
you must be a Republican
Too fucking funny
every Democrat agrees with me, and the ACLU
sez you
renew and strengthen


Randomly assemble the phrases above and you can produce 95% of Benchley's 17,000 posts.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 02:52 PM
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5. See the famous World War II poster for your answer
http://store5.yimg.com/I/snapshotsofthepast_1781_151151651

I wouldn't use an AR-15 because it's considered an "assault weapon" by my state government, and if the cops took it during the inevitable investigation I wouldn't be able to replace it.

Ergo I use the much more powerful "obsolete" 30-'06 rifle. Go figure.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:26 AM
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19. "New" Garand love
Gun Porn alert!

I just took my new US Government, officially supplied, shipped direct to my office door, Danish return, with the VAR barrel to the range last weekend.

I know, it's really frightening to some folks that the CMP will ship high powered battle rifles direct to your office or home with no waiting period.

(Gee, and I totally forgot to go berserk and shoot up the office. Damn, maybe next time.)

Anyway, it shot several two inch or less groups at 100 meters right out of the box. Not bad for a 62 year old rifle with iron sights.

At that rate you might even convince me to use it for HD instead of my 1911. Now I'm trying to convince myself that I don't really "need" an '03 A3.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:42 PM
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15. Depends on which area of my home I'm in
It's either a 1911 (several of those around) or a Mossberg 500 or Winchester 1300 - both in 18" (and an eighth) with pistol grips.
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:09 AM
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20. Home Defense
Now, just out of curiosity, what do you use to defend your home in case of an intrusion? (eg - telephone, bat, knife, Mossberg 500, AR-15, Glock, etc)
My choices for home defense: Glock 23 (.40S&W) close at hand, 1952 Belgian-made 12 gauge Browning Auto-5 in the closet gun cabinet.
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