More talk on yesterday's MMM coverage (if I don't, who will?) Here's NPR:

When they're not busy fellating John AshKKKroft, the right wing racists down at NPR always seem to be busy whoring up dissent between the gun control groups:

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1890084

NPR: ”…a small crowd gathered on the west lawn of the US Capitol today…” “Organizers acknowledged that these are tough times for advocates of gun control.”

Congresswoman Caroline Mc Carthy addresses the ‘small crowd’: “Hello???”


Now on to the good stuff:

Josh Sugerman, head of the VPC: "Why do you have people who are gun-control advocates fighting for a law that really isn't working?"

NPR: “Sugerman thinks getting the ban extended isn’t worth the political energy the Brady Campaign is expending... ”

Josh Sugerman, head of the VPC: “They (the Sarah Brady’s) feel that gun control needs a win… So no matter what they’ll fight for it.”

Of course they’ll fight for it – that’s what lobbyists are paid to do! Uh-Dur!!!

No retort yet from the Brady's...

Keep it up MrBenchley. Nice to see your side taking the rhetorical high road.

:eyes:

like faux, msnbc, and cnn and since I couldn't find anything on their front pages - I felt the urge to query the good denizens of the gungeon whither the major the media coverage be.

I was pointed towards the BBC, and told to do a web search – and that I did.

Now I’m posting a thread illustrating how one major gun control group is willing to paint another gun control group as being socially irresponsible, so there.

(maybe I misspelled a word or something in this post - feel free to attack me over that to reinforce your argument if you like)

Criminals don't subject themselves to background checks.

There's millions of guns in circulation that are stolen and the less guns in circulation the better, epecially assault weapons. Criminals without guns are less dangerous criminals, terrorists without guns are less dangerous terrorists. Guns should at least have as much regulation and taxation as cars or boats. It's long past time gunner mooches pay for the mess guns make in our society. 100 billion a year according to a Brookings Institute study.

The firearms industry is already heavily regulated and taxed. Firearms sales are subject to a sizeable excise tax already.

Besides which, my firearms have never harmed anyone or anything, and I left behind notions of collective guilt sometime in elementary school.

The firearms industry is hardly regulated at all...thanks to the idiotic Tiahrt amendment that was sneaked through this winter, dealers are not even required to keep a written inventory of their stock. And out of the handful of crooked deealers woh supplied 1/7th of ALL guns used in crimes, fewer than a quarter had ever been inspected.

It's time the gun industry and gun owners start paying for the mess their weapons make. With the budget so out of whack, these mooches need to pay for the damage.

It's time the criminals start paying for the mess they make. With the budget so out of whack, these mooches need to pay for the damage.

We already have a higher percentage of our citizens in prsion than Red China does theirs...

Please be relevant.

And while we're about it, why bother to put assault weapons back on the market at all?

Close the private-party transfer loophole and put assault weapons back on the market.

Require all private sales to go through a broker who has access to the background check system.

Provided that adequate protections are put into place to prevent abuse of the system.

n/t

If you happen to be pro-RKBA or moderate on gun issues:

1. The more reasonable reasonable your post, the fewer replies you get from the gun control zealot crowd.

2. If you say anything negative about Britain or Canada you will be slaughtered by Brits and Canadians.

3. It doesn't matter to some of the antis if your pro-gun views have nothing to do with the NRA or other Second Amendment extremist groups. If you think people have an individual right to own guns you are one of Them.

4. When the gun control side gets caught in a factual error they switch to ad hominem attack every time.

5. Emotional arguments cannot be challenged with facts. If you try you will be labelled as uncaring or unfeeling - you are one of Them.

6. A lot of people really do believe the "assault weapons" ban is the only thing keeping the streets of America from being flooded with machineguns.

7. The gun control zealots don't care about item #6, not even slightly.

8. Arguing with people who have their minds made up is entertaining but a waste of time.

9. It's a nice day outside, so I'm going there.

10. So there, you dildoes.

So it's actually pretty sad.

"...not worth the political energy..."

Maybe we should concentrate on the root CAUSES of violent behavior; on identifying and taking corrective action before kids grow up to be violent criminals, and keeping off the streets those for whom it is too late.

Thanks for the link. It was an interesting segment.

From the NPR audio:

"My sister was murdered in 1992 by a handgun." -- Joan Petersen

I regret the loss to Ms. Petersen's family, but this statement captures eloquently the absurdity of the MMM agenda. She blames the murder on the handgun, with not even a mention of the criminal who killed her sister.

I'm going to get some lunch now. I hope my concealed handgun doesn't get away from me while I'm out in public. Who knows what havoc it might wreak if allowed to run unchecked.

the absurdity of the gun rights crowd....nothing at all must ever be done that might impact gun industry profits negatively in any way.

One wonders what desperate spot you're in where you feel you need to tote a handgun to go to lunch...Somalia? Fallujah?

I will make a dentist appointment.

When does one think one needs a seat belt?
At Daytona?

The object can't defend itself from the accusation.

that letting a corrupt industry set public policy hasn't led to the daily toll of tragedies this country suffers....

There's a subtle difference.

disregard of the law on a daily basis...

And that's not subtle but blatant.

Or are you referring to the removal of cosmetic features in complete accordance with the AWB?

How many straw purchases are going to be winked at today? How many lobbyist dollars are going to change hands to block needed gun legislation?

Who was fighting this commonsense bill?

http://www.al.com/politics/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1083921586160640.xml

And I don't see how GOA opposition to the database bill has anything to do with the manufacturers, either.

Manufacturers do not make up the sum total of the gun industry....

"I don't see how GOA opposition to the database bill has anything to do with the manufacturers"
No, I guess you don't....I'm sure the stentorian won't mention any connection between a lobbying group and the industry it represents either.

And I'm not a member of the GOA, so I don't know what their motives were in opposing the bill.

On the other hand, you're the one who seems to think that it is appropriate to sue a gun manufacturer for damages caused by criminals who abuse their products.

I'm not the only fucking one who thinks gun industry ought to subject to the same liability laws as every other industry...so do the courts.

And so do most Democrats... and when they stood up in Congress and said so, the gun lobby pulled the plug on their ugly "immunity from liability" bill.

That was the day that the AWB renewal stood it's best (and some say only) chance of being renewed.

Just imagine: Ten more years of keeping 'assault weapons' (or whatever the heck they are) off of our 'streets'...

No more hi-capacity 'clips' for the gang-bangers to shove into their bullet hoses and set to "spray and forget"...

The price to be paid for that failed attempt at this bullshit ban?

Well, the few states that don't already have a prevention in place for nuisance civil suits against gun manufacturers (keep in my mind, that’s “civil” not “criminal”) – won’t have the Fed telling them what they can and can’t do. An argument over States sovereignty is what it comes down to - with a result that I personally don’t have a problem with.

Yes, that day, to me and millions of others, will always be known as the day that the ban died.

Tee-heee! Tee-fucking-heee!


(Thanks again Russ! - You da man!)

those cries of "there is no gun show loophole" and the "AWB doesn't do anything" were....

It also showed how phony the claim that the gun rights crowd stand for "freedom" was....geeze, the politburo didn't snap to attention that quick in Stalin's day.

That wouldn’t be a true statement – called it ‘bullshit’, yes, numerous times - but the AWB did puhlenty for the gun, magazine, and accessory market. I can testify to that.

Josh Sugarman, head of the Violence Policy Center, would be one to more closely align with the statement that the AWB “doesn’t do anything”. A sentiment he’s been quoted as sharing on more than one occasion.

pretty much everybody in the bullets for brains bunch has tried to peddle some variation of "there are no assault weapons/it's only cosmetics/the AWB doesn't do anytthing" --and the vote that day showed what a steaming pile of horseshit all those statements were.

The freaking leader of the VPC has said that campaigning for AWB renewal is a waste of time. I mean, who else do you need to hear it from? God?

See, Benchley...people like you make the Republicans grin with glee. You take their wedge issue and do their work for them like a loyal little drone. Then after you split up the party and help us lose a few important elections, you say, "So what, I was right and that's all that matters."

Me, I'd rather concentrate on our common ground and formulate solutions from there. We all want guns out of criminals' hands. I don't understand why we can't compromise to reach that end.

More dishonest bullshit.

Guess that shows what a pantload your claim really was, doesn't it?

And do you deny that Sugarman has stated that pursuit of AWB renewal would be a waste of political capital? That the ban doesn't really accomplish much?

http://www.vpc.org/

Do you really want to pretend that the VPC opposes the bills currently in Congress?

Of course they'll stand on the side of gun prohibition. But Sugarman has been quoted numerous times that the AWB (or even a "strengthened" version) isn't enough...that all "killing machines" must be banned.

But why don't you go ahead and justify the "machine gun" animation on that AWB banner you posted. After all, the VPC never tries to distort what "assault weapons" are.

And gee, I don't have to justify anything, since I'm not trying to pretend that gun nut lies are true.

If you don't love it you can shove it, op. I stand with John Kerry, who co-sponsored the bill you're sniveling and whining about.

Love it or shove it.

and supports closing the gun show loophole. I got no problem with John Kerry, although gun nuts are already lying their asses off about him.

It's impressive how "pro-gun Democrats" are fighting back...oh, wait, you're not saying "boo" on cesspools like that one from Jeb's banana republic you were pimping for the other day. But then who is surprised by THAT?

You surmised that pro-gun Democrats never speak out on gun websites. I offered a link to one where I did. There was no pimping, just an offering of the example you were asking for.

And someone from glorious New Jersey really is in no position to talk smack about other states.

And YOU know it...

Not a word from any pro-gun Democrats in that rancid little cesspool you pointed to, Florida Shooters Nutwork....although it's lousy with dittohead gibberish this morning.

And New Jersey has a Democratic governor and state legislature cleaning up a GOP mess...we got two Democratic Senators and more Democrats than Republicans in the House. And we ain't got either Katherine Harris nor Jebbo. You can stick your anti-New Jersey crap back up the source of your other "facts," op...

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They're not willing to say shit where other gun owners might hear them...all they want to do is spread ditto-monkey rubbish here.

Your rancid little klavern in Florida has a post right this minute accusing Hillary Clinton of treason, another attacking John Kerry's war record, and a host of other dimwitted freeper posts...and not word one from you. Or any other gun-owning "Democrat."

So go ahead and spout horseshit about New Jersey. It says volumes about you, and nothing at all of consequence about the Garden State.

Did I ever claim that FSN wasn't a right-wing hangout? Did you ever bother to look up my posts there, particularly about the Iraq war?

I don't go there much anymore, mainly because I think most of the people there are right-wing assholes. And it is not my responsibility to patrol every gun message board to proclaim the gospel of liberalism. I frankly don't have the fucking time.

"Did I ever claim that FSN wasn't a right-wing hangout?"
Jeeze, op, those forums are all dittomonkey cesspools....and our brave "pro-gun Democrats" are scared shitless of getting any disapproval there.

But then both of us know what's really hiding under the "gun rights" sheet....however much you want to pretend otherwise.

"it is not my responsibility to patrol every gun message board to proclaim the gospel of liberalism. I frankly don't have the fucking time."
You seem to have hours to post right wing rubbish here, though. But hey, why would it ever be YOUR responsibility to do anyhthing in public that might be construed as pro-Democrat or liberal, op? After all, it's not like you been notably either pro-Democrat or liberal here.

Although from reading your posts, one would never tell.

There's nothing but silence to liberalism in any gun nut cesspool....you guys don't have shit to say when dittomonkeys accuse Hillary Clinton of treason or slur John Kerry's war record...although you got hours to come over here and spread right wing horseshit.

There's nothing but silence to liberalism in any gun nut cesspool....you guys don't have shit to say when dittomonkeys accuse Hillary Clinton of treason or slur John Kerry's war record...although you got hours to come over here and spread right wing horseshit.

But then who really expects anything else?

Wake up and smell the reality.

"as if 39% of us don't exist.""
Wonder if there's evidence you exist--lets look at all those pro-Democrat posts refuting the dittomonkey rubbish on gun nut cesspools like FloridaShitheadsNutwork....oops, there aren't any.

It's actually quite pathetic.

No matter how much you try to spin it away.

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it's swell to see you calling Jesse Jackson, Carolyn McCarthy and other Democrats pieces of shit...and shows what the bullets for brains bunch are really about.

on calling other Dems pieces of shit, worthless, and so forth.

All these so called "pro-gun Democrats" who spend their time slurring real Democrats like Feinstein and Kerry and posting shit from every right wing cesspool they can find in support of the GOP's favorite lobby.

It's pretty easy to stay in practice with the bullets for brains bunch showing how worthless they are every day.

And of course, we've yet to see any of you tough guys posting anything even mildly pro-Democrat on any gun owner forum anywhere.

So go ahead and call Jesse Jackson and Carolyn McCarthy and all the other pro-gun control Democrats "pieces of shit." I just consider the source...it says a lot more about you than anything else.

And I'd rather be with them than these fuckwits. Such nice playmates you "enthusiasts" here have...and you're welcome to them.

Being a member of the Democratic Party does not excuse one from mistakes and misdeeds.

today and in November.
Some of his co-sponsored legislation:

H.R.125
Title: To repeal the ban on semiautomatic assault weapons and the ban on large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
In the 104th Congress

H.R.407
Title: To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide for reciprocity in regard to the manner in which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in that State.
In the 106th Congress

H.R.492
Title: To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in the State, and to exempt qualified current and former law enforcement officers from State laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed handguns.
In the 106th Congress



Democratic and unabashedly pro-gun. Voices like his will prevent the renewal of the AWB in 2004 or 2005.

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I got John Kerry, almost all the Democrats in Congress, every liberal or moderate writer around, and the majority of the American voters on my side.

"you question the loyality of pro gun dems"
And with good goddamn reason, too. You can count the number of pro-Democratic posts (not threads, but posts) from you pro-gun "enthusiasts" on one hand and have fingers left over. Who was that who called Jesse Jackson a piece of shit just today--why, that was YOU.

"I will take Dems like Feingold, who voted against the AWB"
Gee, and yet it passed anyway with John Kerry'sd leadership...meanwhile, look what Feingold's stand has earned him from grateful pro-gun groups...(snicker)


"Gun-grabber Senator Russ Feingold (D) will have a respectable challenge from Rep. Mark Neumann (R). His recent anti-administration stands would indicate that he is taking Neumann’s challenge — fueled additionally by Feingold’s anti-gun votes — very seriously."

http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/gt-report/gt-report_037.html

"The anti-gun bill, S. 27, works to silence the voice of outside
groups, like GOA, that help educate voters before an election. At
the same time, the bill enhances the ability of the politicians in
the Republican and Democrat parties to raise and spend money to get their candidates elected.
The bill, sponsored by Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Russ
Feingold (D-WI), passed the Senate by a 59-41 vote. Eleven
Republicans, other than McCain, broke ranks with their leadership."
http://www.treachery.net/~jdyson/goa/alert_2001-04-03.html
"anti-gun bills that will be presented by the likes of Barbara Boxer, Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Daniel Moynihan, Herb Kohl, Russ Feingold and others."

webpages.charter.net/rkbaviews/nv_0512.pdf

"Senator John "McEvil" McCain has proposed a bill that will require groups that have opposed him in elections to open their membership lists to the government, for the purpose of eventually banning such groups. Proposed under the name of "campaign finance reform", the bill, SB 27, will give McCain and his co- sponsor, Russ Feingold, access to the membership lists of Gun Owners of America, a pro-gun group which has heartily denied the anti-gun Senator. "

http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=152

"MADISON, Wis. - State Sen. Bob Welch has snagged the coveted endorsement of the National Rifle Association in the three-way Republican primary for the U.S. Senate, his campaign said Monday.
Welch, R-Redgranite, released a letter to The Associated Press in which the NRA's political arm pledges to urge its members to work for his election to the U.S. Senate.
The letter from NRA Political Victory Fund chairman Chris Cox also praises Welch's record in the state Legislature, including support of a bill lawmakers approved this year that would have allowed those who receive training and pass a background check to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
The governor vetoed the legislation, which would have overturned Wisconsin's 130-year-old ban on concealed weapons.
Welch is running against Milwaukee-area car dealer Russ Darrow and Dodge County construction executive Tim Michels for the GOP nomination to face U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., in next fall's election."

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/politics/7552101.htm

"Despite the fact that 82% of the voters, this spring, affirmed the rights of hunters and gun owners our U.S. Senator, Russ Feingold, again sided with the leftists in this country against gun owner rights."

http://www.widigest.com/dohnal5.12.html

You "enthusiasts" have just the nicest fucking playmates.

eager ot beat their meat over their new guns spent some of that money on DU instead...

Seems like you are back to your old tools of reason and argument. Good work, keep it up.

Masturbation may help prevent prostate cancer


By Michael Conlon

"Chicago - Sexual activity does not cause prostate cancer, and men who ejaculate frequently may even be protecting themselves against the disease, American researchers reported on Tuesday."

more here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=117x3004

Chuckle.

:hippie:

And reason and argument would be wasted on the bullets for brains bunch.

I respect you as a human being.

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Sorry, this website is a very distant priority as far as my political expenditures go.

Mortgage payments, health care, food, gasoline, and ammo all come before donating to DU.

:evilgrin:

over their fear of guns could donate more money to DU, too!

Obviously, they are not spending it on the causes they claim they support. Otherwise, the Million Moron Marchers wouldn't be bankrupt, and the might have more than 4 members.

from you're past posts and current positions that you never were too great at reading.

Here is a suggestion: take a look at some books by a guy named Seuss....it should be more appropriate for a reader at your level.

So I'll give MrBenchley the benefit of the doubt and make fun of it.

Earth to MrBenchley.

Earth to MrBenchley.

Your response was directed to the wrong person. :D

n/t

a member of a group that believes 1000+1000=1,000,000