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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:13 PM
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John McCain is a spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety
I love these guys.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:45 PM
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1. McCain is big on closing all these gun show loopholes
I'm all in favor of letting miltary men do our negotiating with the gun lobby.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:37 AM
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4. Have you ever heard of the Posse Comitatus Act?
Read about it some time.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:38 AM
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5. I was thinking the same thing.
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:50 AM
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6. A large proportion of military men and women...
are part of the "gun lobby." Good luck getting them to disarm their neighbors.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:25 AM
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2. Thank you for proving...
that some Repuiblicans are just as much gun grabbers as some Democrats.
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:43 AM
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3. Amen
AGS is a fraudulent anti-gun cover organization, and John McCain -- along with Shrub Jr. -- is as much of a gun grabber as some Democrats. My two repuke Senators, DeW(h)ine and Voino(f-a-)vich are gun grabbers too.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:13 PM
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8. Jeeze, according to gun nut central...
EVERYBODY is a "gun grabber."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=15904

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=17304

And you know what? The NRA is right...the only people peddling this "gun rights" horseshit is a tiny knot of extremists...
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Lamorat Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:07 PM
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7. Funny..
How they changed the word 'control' to 'safety'. Just redefine something and you get your agenda. Neat how corrupt that is.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:14 PM
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9. More Republican Fans
Boy, first it's Sarah and Jim Brady, now John McCain is a great guy.

Aren't we constantly reminded that this is the DU? (Unless of course the designated Repukes agree with you on gun control then it doesn't matter I guess.)

Interesting approach.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:17 PM
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10. Conversely, all gun owners are scumbags.
Including 39% of the Democratic party.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:24 PM
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11. See, now you're wrong
You can't be a "real" Democrat, no matter how you've voted or how much you work for the party, unless you totally embrace gun control.

Dammit, how many times do you have to be told!

You must be a Repuke in drag if you feel that there is any other way to deal with guns than more stringent and restrictive laws.

(sarcasm off)
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 07:37 PM
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12. Some of us are single issue voters
I would vote for a sensible weapons regulating Republican if he was pro-choice and was generally reform minded, if he was running against an NRA "Democrat". This opportunity will never present itself in Georgia. I have voted for John McCain in the 2000 Georgia primary in order to effect the Republican party.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:37 PM
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13. There's a poll upstairs about DU's favorite Republican.
John McCain is pulling away.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:41 PM
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14. He's just about the only Republican
anyone can look at without puking...

And it says everything about the wretched state of that party that they went out of their way to kick him in 2000 so they could choose the AWOL drunk.

I keep hearing rumors that he's going to be Kerry's VP choice, and it would make me laugh my ass off with delight if that happened.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:51 PM
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15. I like McCain's strong stand on closing loopholes& enforcement of gun law
I wasn't surprised that McCain wants disclosure against these wacko torturers and the enabling administration that let it happen. This guy McCain, usually takes the tough stands against the scariest opponents.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:55 PM
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16. He's been about the strongest voice against Pentagon pork
Did you see that Kerry the other day identified him as someone who should replace Rumsfeld NOW.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 07:13 PM
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17. John McCain as VP candidate sure would cause RepKKKe congressmen to
feel that they were between a rock and a hard place on an "assault" weapons ban. Even Chimpy would be made to squeal like the monkey molester he is. Bush is 12 points down with women, a chasm of a gender gap, especially in battleground states. Rove might take the chance, that his kind of white guys have nowhere to go and that he can control the NRA-GOA no restriction on weapons nuts. Citizen McCain would be a powerful force in the Congress between now and election day.
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:47 PM
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22. I would prefer a Democrat...
I guess leaving a Repub in line of succession is a small price to pay for gun control Nirvana.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 01:22 PM
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27. Can you imagine the response if one of the pro-gun people
here suggested having a Republican as the Democratic candidate for vice-president?
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 02:19 PM
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29. Anti-gunners pimpin' for the GOP
One thread to bookmark for the ages.
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:08 PM
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30. But don't put down any...
(anti-gun)Democrats...
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 07:50 PM
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18. You base your votes completely on gun control?
People like you don't deserve democracy.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:15 PM
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19. In my heart, I think the good guys hate weapons. It's a litmus test.
Like Steve Earle says "The pistol is the devil's right hand".
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:23 PM
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20. Good guys hate when weapons are used against good people.
The weapon is just an inanimate tool. What the tool is used for depends entirely on the user.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:53 PM
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21. "Beat your swords into plowshares" makes more sense than"Beat your tools..
into tools". Weapons are different than tools although in a pinch, tools can substituted for a weapon. Weapons by their very essence of design bring with them a moral meaning. A-Bomb, WMD's, "smart" bombs, "assault " rifle, Anthrax, naplam, claymore mine, cluster bomb, neutron bomb, Mustard gas, etc are on one side of the street and tools like ditch witches, farm tractor, wheelbarrows, nailguns, vacuum cleaners, etc are on the otherside, it's kind of obvious.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:03 AM
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23. You classify semi-auto "assault rifles" with WMD?
Jesus, there's the stretch of the century.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:17 AM
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24. A smaller stretch than calling them a "tool"
Edited on Sun May-16-04 10:18 AM by billbuckhead
weapon vs weapon of mass destruction. not that big of stretch.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 01:36 PM
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28. It's a tool I use to hunt with and a tool I use for target shooting.
The fact that a tool can be used as a deadly weapon doesn't mean that it is it's only purpose. Rifles don't aim and shoot themselves, just as knives don't stab by themselves and axes don't chop by themselves.

Comparing a rifle that fires one shot per trigger pull to a thermonuclear device is far beyond absurd.
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:22 AM
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25. McFeeb's Law...
:nuke:
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 01:18 PM
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26. Google Merced Pitchfork Murders
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