Judge Roy Moore is to the religious issue as Scary Brady is to RKBA.

If Moore and Brady didn't exist, Karl Rove would have to invent and fund them because they are perfect "wedges" against Democrats.

Wedges are ofter defined as the simplest tools known to man -- and they still work!


AND DAMM PROUD OF IT!

heard that one before, lol! Even though I disagree with her, from an emotional standpoint I understand where she's coming from. That doesn't give her the right, of course, to determine for law-abiding citizens whether or not they should be permitted to have guns and under what circumstances, I'm just saying that after what happened to her and her husband you can understand her motivation. It's just too bad she has to equate all gun owners with John Hinckley.

BTW, now to sound ignorant or anything, but since I'm a newbie to the cause, what does RKBA stand for, anyway?

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RKBA - Right to Keep and Bear Arms

Now why didn't that occur to me before? Sheesh, and I have a college degree, too, lol! Oh, well, at least it taught me the fine art of bullshitting professors, which has come in handy in the work world.

"That doesn't give her the right, of course,
to determine for law-abiding citizens whether
or not they should be permitted to have guns
and under what circumstances, ..."

I give up. Has she, or anyone else, EVER suggested that she has or should have that "right"?? I didn't think so. So, what's the point here? Would anyone disagree with that statement? Would the person about whom it is made disagree with it?? Why would anyone waste bandwidth saying that someone does not have some "right" that no one, let alone the person in question, has ever claimed to have or sought to acquire?

It would seem to me that what she and others who share her views are attempting to do is to influence public policy. And I woulda thunk that this was indeed the right, if not the responsibility, of every member of society in a liberal democracy.

I tend to the opinion that this right should be exercised honestly, in good faith, and with demonstrable respect for the values and principles that the society has agreed to uphold and apply, of course. But (barring truly exceptional circumstances amounting to demonstrable justification) I'd never actually suggest that someone who exercises it dishonestly, in bad faith, or with complete disrespect for those values and principles be prohibited from doing so.

I just can't understand why anyone would imply that someone who appears to abide by the rules of democratic discourse, and to argue transparently, not deceitfully -- honestly, in good faith and with demonstrable respect for the vlaues and principles of his/her society -- for the public policy that s/he believes should be implemented, is claiming a "right" to "determine" anything at all for anyone else at all.

Has someone made this Brady person queen for a decade, so that she has a wand that she can wave in order to do this determining? I didn't think so. So I don't understand why we might need to speak as if she did, rather than addressing what she or anyone like her actually says and proposes.

Ad personam argument at its finest, it looks like to me. An attack against the person rather than the position, and not even based on an accurate characterization of the person at that.


Speaking of honesty, good faith and respect ...

"It's just too bad she has to equate all gun owners
with John Hinckley."

... can you direct me to a source where she has done that?

.

This is why I stay out of gun control threads. :eyes:

Seems like it's both Moore and the NRA busily trying to pretend the Constitution says something it doesn't....

They both use assinine misrepresentations of the Supreme Law of the Land in order to push forth thier agendas.

They are both Repugs who are sent out to sow seeds of dissention withng the Democratic party.

Those that blindly follow either show their ignorance and their gullibility.

Quick, which is Roy Moore and which is Charlton Hestonn?

"Americans should not have to go to war every morning for their values. They already go to war for their families. They fight to hold down a job, raise responsible kids, make their payments, keep gas in the car, put food on the table and clothes on their backs, and still save a little for their final days in dignity.
Now all this sounds a little Mosaic, the punch-line of my sermon is as elementary as the Golden Rule. In a cultural war, triumph belongs to those who arm themselves with pride in who they are and then do the right thing. Not the most expedient thing, not the politically correct thing, not what'll sell, but the right thing."

""The battle is not to the strong alone, it is to the vigilant and the active and the brave. So said Patrick Henry in 1775. It was true then, and it's true today. That’s tyranny —when the courts force their will upon you. If God gives you rights, no man and no government can take them away from you. "

And for the record, here's the RKBA crowd cheering for the nutcase from Alabama:

http://indianamilitia.homestead.com/10commandments.html

"And many others have offered to defend the monument using the power of the 2nd Amendment. "

"Rove`s New Wedges"

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Caught between the Scylla of the "assault" on the Ten Commandments and Charybdis of the gay marriage issue, Democratic chiefs are bereft of any strategy to combat appeals to religious primitivism and bigotry. The GOP will count on the religious right to do the lion’s share of the dirty work. James Dobson’s Focus on the Families -- whose radio shows draws more listeners than CNN does viewers -- is only one of the well-oiled religious-right groups planning "to spend as much energy and political capital as necessary to stop gay marriage," as The Washington Post reported. Wth Moore' probable removal for defying federal court orders, such groups will receive an unexpected turbo charge through Moore's martyrdom.

Bush, Rove and the GOP are counting on all this to energize a wide swath of voters of all colors and thus insure an across-the-board Republican victory. Unless the Democrats come up with a smart counter-attack, Roy’s Rock may well become the hammer that chisels a winning Republican bloc if next year’s election is a close one.
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