i read somewhere about cheney having hundreads of guns

Including machine guns, where did he get the machine guns? arent they illegal?

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that Bwana Dick is just the sort of nutless wonder who desires assault weapons....and that the leaders of the country's largest gun owner's groups got some sort of sick thrill from watching him fondle a musket in public...

If you live in a state that allows ordinary folks to own machineguns, you can buy one. There's a $200 transfer tax, a federal background check, and some paperwork.

See http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/index.htm

more likely the goverment just gave them to him

Just pony up the transfer tax and pass the background check and you too can be the proud owner of a fully-automatic, belt-fed, death-dealing machine gun. I recommend something in .30 caliber. The .50 cal ammo is too damn expensive.

a clean background (not even a parking ticket) now fork over the minigun

And if I did, I doubt it'd be for sale.

With a limited supply now, a real legal, machinegun will set you back several thousand dollars.

Now, if you wanted one from the unregulated market... well that's a whole other story...

i find this unregulated market?

Same way you get illegal drugs - Find someone who deals them.

The quickest way to find people who will sell you illegal stuff may be through prostitutes. They know where to find anything or at least who to ask. Pay a lady of the evening a nice fee to talk to you over a steak dinner, and you'll start meeting people right away.

from stumbeling into the wrong person an gettin my brains blown out?

You're On Your Own.

It sold recently for about $300,000.

The "Firearm Owners Protection Act" of 1986 stopped the manufacture of new machineguns for other than police and military use, so the number of legally transferrable automatic firearms can never increase. Limited supply has caused prices to go up astronomically.

One way to legally get whatever automatic weapon you want is to become a manufacturer and "Special Occupational Taxpayer". You have to pay some stiff annual fees to keep the required licenses, but you can make whatever you want as "post-1986 dealer samples".

i'll just build one and not tell anybody

They'll hear you.

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that last post was nothing more than a blatant lie, please remove your black van from my lawn

Or, relying on the 9th Circuit decision in US v. Stewart, you can make your own homemade machine gun for personal use. Just make sure it is legal under state law, as it is in Ohio. The 9th Circuit panel ruled that a homemade machine gun fell outside the reasonable scope of federal regulation under the Commerce Clause.

Warning: Other courts may not agree. You may be arrested and convicted.

I know one guy who had three of them at one time.

went for $250,000, and sold in a matter of hours.

For a "real" machinegun. The very cheapest would be a 9 mm British Sten subgun.

Here is a site dedicated to the Browning M1919-A4 machine gun, both full auto and semiautomatic versions. The semiautos are even legal in California.

http://www.1919a4.com

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seem to find his place, i know the address is 666 Hell lane but i cant seem to find it on any map

I'm joking, joking, joking!!!

I realise that this would be a very offensive comment if I meant it seriously, but I don't, so don't be offended!

:evilgrin:

P.

Even Dick can do something right.

that everybody has at least one redeeming quality.

Even if they are sometimes very well hidden.

If (as you suggest) every American has the right to own a gun, it doesn't make the ones who do own guns better than the ones who don't.

Simply buying a gun purely to exercise the right is a pointless and irresponsible exercise. Unless you have a REASON for owning a gun, it is more responsible to not buy one.

It's not a case of "He who buys the most guns has made the fullest use of his rights."

Do you understand this, or are you just saying that an asshole with a gun is better than an asshole without one?

there'd be no case for guns at all....

As for Bwanan Dick, he clearly needs machine guns...after all, one never knows when that "noble sportsman" might encounter another bunch of caged pheasants...

"Nossir, our man Dick, he has himself flown over, in Air Force 2, on the taxpayer's tab, accompanied by his most favoritest shotgun, to the exclusive Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier, Westmoreland County, in rural Pennsylvania, to have himself a nice, cushy "canned" pheasant hunt.
This is what it was: Dick and about nine other overfed white guys sitting in a comfy luxury blind with their manly shotguns, waiting for the Westmoreland guy stationed behind them on a hill to release clusters of stunned, fat, tame game birds from a net. Then they shoot them.
Lots and lots of them. And then they slap each other on the back. And they grunt and say nice shot as the birds drop like flies as dogs race back and forth hauling dead or dying birds into huge piles. Whee what fun.
More than 400 birds were killed in one lackadaisical afternoon. Dick himself blasted the living crap out of 70 birds, all by himself. That's right, 70. Plus an unknown number of mallard ducks. Then they had them all plucked and vacuum packed and sent back home to show off to the staff. Dick was driven back to the airport in a Humvee. "

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2004/01/23/notes012304.DTL&type=printable

I would happily go out on a rough shoot and bring down two or three brace of wild(ish) pheasant, but only because I know that either I or my friends would eat them afterwards.....

Tightly organised mass slaughter just seems pointless. Perhaps it's a better fate than the slaughterhouses faced by battery hens, but to call it "sport" seems a bit rich.

Where's the satisfaction? - negligible skill, massive overkill.

Huntsmen usually claim that they derive no actual pleasure from the taking of life, it's the sport and the hunting for their table that gives them pleasure, or the battle of man against a wild animal. A driven hunt of hand-reared pheasants is like shooting fish in a barrel IMHO.....I just don't see the point.

P.

Hereabouts, we are told over and over that hunting MUST be allowed to reduce New Jersey's population of wild deer....but a large chunk of the ACTUAL hunting is done on game farms where deer are kept penned to insure "success"...

Texas has been taken over with Hi-fence ranches. My neighbor to the south just put up a mile of Hi-fence between my place and his. Never understood why they think you have to pen your deer to raise B&C class whitetails. My place is considered small by TX standards but i seem to have as good or better bucks than anybody in the county. With the average cost of 15000 a mile for Hi-fence I would have to spend about 120000 thousand to fence my place with Hi-fence. Even at 5000 per buck i could never afford it. Over grazing and disease I feel be the end result of this practice.

The only way I knew the largest game farm in this state is not that far from here is because diseased deer in the wild were traced back to the deer on the farm...

Of course in some states, and I think Texas is one of them, hunters can also shoot penned lions, tigers, rhinos, etc.

is still an asshole. I agree.

My comment, at least, was intended mostly as a joke.

Besides, since every American has the right to not own a gun. I can applaud those who exercise their rights not to.

I want a .44 Magnum Ruger Blackhawk. I buy the .44 Magnum Ruger Blackhawk. I want a 1943 Mauser. I buy the 1943 Mauser. The nice thing about rights is that I can exercise them with cause or without cause. I will continue to do so. A right not exercised soon ceases to be a right.

I presume that you want these guns because they are excellent examples of the gunmaker's art, or they're very accurate, or it's the one piece missing from your otherwise complete collection.

You don't "want" without cause or reason.

Moreover, "wants" need to be tempered by many other factors - for example (FX Mick Jagger) you can't always get what you want.....There will at times be conflicting wants, or wants which are detrimental to the greater good. For example, a homophobe might want to drive his SUV through the Gay Pride March and we would restrict his right to freedom of movement or freedom of expression based on that.

It is with great regret that I have concluded that a major thing that is wrong with Western society is that people view their "wants" as justification in themselves. People want to drive SUVs around town without regard for the environmental impact or danger to pedestrians, Bush wants to invade Iraq without regard for the escalation of global tensions etc.

I'm really not putting you in the same category as this, but IMHO you have to be able to justify a want and weigh it up against the bigger picture, before it becomes justified and acceptable in itself.

Warning - it's Newsmax. Leaving in the sloppy writing.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/3/125421.shtml

Cheney's collection, our sources say, is in the hundreds of guns, including pistols, shotguns and machine guns -- from antique Thompsons to the most modern European automatic machine guns.

To let off some steam (God knows he has some to let off these days), the Vice President has been known to go out to the federal training center in Maryland where the Secret Service does its own gun practice.

A typical Cheney visit, told to us by a person who attended one, included the Vice President bringing some 30 guns from his own collection.

On the ranger, Cheney would blow away his targets -- with Thompson machine guns, the latest German and Austrian machine guns, Lugars, MP5s, shot guns, you name it.

One after another an aide would hand the Vice President his latest armament, and Cheney would fire away, no doubt imagining al-Qaeda terrorists in his gun sights.

Newsmax?

TAKE COVER!!!!!!!!!!!

is this russian machine pistol, i dont know that much about it really but i've seen it in a few movies, looks inexpensive