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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:20 PM
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The death wish of the left
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=661303&contrassID=2

the willingness of Palestinian gunmen to exploit it by firing Qassam rockets at Sderot and Ashkelon at every post-withdrawal opportunity, created a new Israeli consensus, one in which citizens of all stripes now looked to the Palestinians to make the first move - any move - toward peace.

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and were still waiting for something from the palestenains besides kassams, because if this is the way they react toward a good move, a first move by the israelis...thats probably all they're going to get.....
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:30 PM
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1. It is Israel that rejects peace. How many bulldozed Palestinian homes
this week? How many bulldozed olive orchards? How many Palestinian children killed? How many communities closed off from their farmland? How many Grandmothers not allowed to complete a trip to the doctor? How many....
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:41 PM
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3. Palestine Education Network
Nasty group, these folks. http://www.nhpeaceaction.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=42
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:00 PM
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7. People who want peace are "nasty"? Surely you are being ironic.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:11 PM
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9. Surely!
A friend gave me a pamphlet from these guys the other night. She has friends in the organization & they wanted her to look at it for them (She is a psychologist).
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:45 PM
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4. Don't keep us in suspense! How many bulldozed homes were there this week?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:15 PM
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10. These people will know, ask them!
Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions

"House demolitions have become the hallmark of the Occupation. Indeed, since 1967 Israel has demolished almost 12,000 Palestinian homes, leaving some 70,000 without shelter and traumatized."

http://www.icahd.org/eng/campaigns.asp?menu=4&submenu=2
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:19 PM
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11. In other words, you don't know
I think the correct answer is zero, but that really doesn't matter, does it? It's OK for the Palestinians to fire Kassam rockets from Gaza, and it's not OK for the Israelis to defend themselves.
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:54 PM
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19. Defend themselves?
The reason Palestinians are firing rockets is because of the continued occupation of Palestine. Secondly, collective punishment and oppression is equal to or worse than the "terrorism" you speak of.

How many homes? Palestinian homes are destroyed all the time with little fanfare, as it is so common. However, here is something you might find of interest:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/homes.html

Of course, I understand that Israel destroys the houses of families, steals their land, commits air strikes on schools and homes and oppresses an entire people "in self defense"...:eyes: :puke:
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 12:29 AM
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21. welcome to Dec 2005
the PA is against the rocket fire (sometimes), yet cannot stop it....no homes being destroyed in gaza.....no IDF presence....access to egypt.....

so your suggestion for the israeli residents around gaza is..........
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 12:48 AM
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 01:37 AM
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23. spitballs?
so now missles are spitballs.....of course we're attacking gaza......they keep shooting missles and try to kill us?...duh!

This escalation has come in the context of a plan made by the Israeli Ministry of Defense to respond to launching locally made rockets at Israeli towns located to the east of the Gaza Strip....

perhaps they should try to stop trying to kill israelis....


hey i've got an idea....whats your suggestion so that the palestenians in gaza will stop terrorizing israelis in the towns and cities around gaza?........
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:22 AM
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25. I guess the real suggestion is the old
Edited on Sun Dec-25-05 09:54 AM by Coastie for Truth
sack cloth and ashes, fervent prayer, and fasting -- and then return to Lithuania, Belo-Rus, and Polish-Lithuanian when fasting fails to stop the missiles. - But I guess is off the table - there's oil there - so the PA has an over-riding royalty if not absolute ownership.

:rant:
:sarcasm:
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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 07:57 AM
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24. As I recall
those "agriculteral areas" were being used as launch sites at the time...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:50 PM
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:25 PM
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12. No-
It is the effing Shattuck Avenue super-libruls who as they move further and further to the left (and Lev Davidovitch Bronstein was a blood relative - and my grandfather grew up with "Cousin Leon") they get closer to the extreme right.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 09:00 PM
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14. Shattuck Avenue?
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:23 AM
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17. It's in Berkley. It's a (rather tortured) RW slam against liberal UCB.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:24 AM
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26. Berkeley isn't Liberal
Edited on Sun Dec-25-05 09:25 AM by Coastie for Truth
Berkeley is Left of Liberal.


(I live in the SF Bay Area - and on rare occasions I go to professional meetings and seminars, and to Beyt Tikkun in Berkeley).
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:36 AM
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15. What does your family tree have to do with this?
Interesting as I am sure that may be to some people.

However, I don't understand what that has to do with creating real peace and justice in the Middle East.
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:43 AM
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16. Wow.
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 02:13 AM by Englander
So, now you're a Trotskyist? (Lev Davidovitch Bronstein = Leon Trotsky).
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:40 PM
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2. Both sides started out with some right on their side
and they both quickly became wedded to violence, which is a losing tactic in a struggle like this one, no matter how you look at it.

Undoubtedly they will both continue this until either everyone is dead or they are so exhausted by slaughter that there is nothing left for them to do but try to learn how to live with each other as equals.

I wish them luck, but I have no use for the leadership on either side.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:46 PM
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:03 PM
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8. I guess Geneva is not dead after all. nt
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freedum Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 03:24 AM
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18. the apathy article in same issue?
oh that haaretz. for all the articles like this one there're still better than the NY Times because they allow a wider spectrum. i think the same issue as the "death wish of the left" article was in also had an article
about Israeli apathy toward the suffering of Palestinians and it generated over 100 comments that included one entitled "you don't win wars by being nice"
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occuserpens Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 04:27 PM
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20. Right, nothing is more dead than Geneva!

2005-12-24 On German telepaths

http://inplainview.monitor.us.tt/
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