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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:42 AM
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Militants detained after trying to kidnap Israeli girls
Last update - 18:17 15/06/2006


Militants detained after trying to kidnap Israeli girls

By Jonathan Lis, Haaretz Correspondent

Palestinians tried to kidnap two Israeli girls at the Rechalim Junction, near the West Bank town of Nablus, on Thursday. Israel Defense Forces troops and police officers searched the area, and arrested the three would-be abductors.

The three armed Palestinians pulled up to a hitchhiking station near the settlement of Rechalim, where the two young women were standing. They exited the vehicle and tried to force one of the girls into the car. She fought them off, suffered a light head wound, and fled. The other girl waiting at the hitchhiking station ran away and used her cellular phone to alert security forces.

A short while later, the commander of the IDF company that serves in the region noticed the girl bleeding at the station and approached her. She relayed what had transpired, but did not know that her friend had fled, and it was feared that the latter had been kidnapped.

The men, who had a loaded gun, were caught adjacent to the Shilo junction. The company commander forced them to get out of the car.

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/727489.html


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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:46 AM
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1. Good...kidnapping kids is bullshit beyond belief. n/t
PB
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:52 AM
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2. Please take a moment and visit www.rememberthesechildren.org
It is worth the time.

PB
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:43 PM
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3. very cute kids on that page
remember ALL the kids and try to resolve this conflict already
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:20 PM
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4. They make a very good booklet, and i urge everyone to get a
copy.
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RedStateLibRULE Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:48 PM
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5. Come on people
Can we stop saying militants and start saying terrorist please. I mean how are we supposed to win this war if we don't call evil evil. These motherF**(ers are worse then Bush. They are against everything us liberals stand for.

They hang gays in Tehran
Keep their women in burqas
Murder their daughters for the crime of having boyfriends
Respect only one religion
Implement a law code based on a religious text.

They do all of these things, and more. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. We need to come out and say we oppose terrorists and radical Islam more then the Republicans. Because we should, because its right, and because it will nullify the national security edge held by the right.
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:04 PM
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6. worse thAn Bush... not then... n/t.
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 06:13 PM by idontwantaname
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:05 PM
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7. Hey! Welcome to DU! Normally it takes people longer to find I/P.
I guess you're just lucky!

PB
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:18 AM
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9. you mean....
"liberal values".....thats a tough one here in this forum....thats not always the preference here...but you might try looking at this:


http://eustonmanifesto.org/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=1
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:13 PM
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8. Don't forget these children who suffer in Israeli prisons. Stolen Youth
Stolen Youth: The Politics of Israel's Detention of Palestinian Children. Catherine Cook, Adam Hanieh, and Adah Kay. Pluto Press, London, 2004. 197 pages.

Three more people in masks came into the room. They blindfolded me, put a hood over my head… they kicked and slapped me. They beat me with a plastic pipe and whatever they could get their hands on. I couldn't see anything because I was blindfolded. I just felt the blows. That lasted ten to fifteen minutes… Later they stood me on a chair and told me to grab a pipe that was fixed to the wall. They removed the chair from under me and left me hanging in the air, with my handcuffed hands holding onto the pipe and the weight of my body, hanging in the air, drawing my hands downwards. They left the room. - Ismail Sabatin, 17 years old.

So begins Stolen Youth, a book about Israel's detention of Palestinian children that (was) released in March 2004. Isma'il Sabatin's story, the authors of the book remind us, is paralleled by the stories of the "nearly 2,000 Palestinian children from the Occupied Palestinian Territories whom the Israeli authorities have arrested over the last three years." Some spend a few days in detention - detained, beaten, and released. Others spend years there.

At any given time there are probably hundreds of Palestinian children in detention, with some 350 in detention at the beginning of 2003. In 2002 one-fifth were between 13-14, the rest between 15-17. The military and police tend to target children between 12-17, but have arrested children as young as nine.

Children are arrested "at checkpoints, on the street, or at their homes by heavily armed Israeli soldiers in the middle of the night. The soldiers take them to detention centres in Israeli settlements or military camps… the children are interrogated. This almost always involves some form of torture or abuse, including sleep and food deprivation, threatening language, beatings with heavy batons, being punched and kicked, as well as being tied in painful and contorted positions for long periods of time…"

More at http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=4970
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:32 PM
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10. And let's stop using and training kids as suicide bombers
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/11/02/isrlpa9591.htm
Report, October 1, 2002

Occupied Territories: Stop Use of Children in Suicide Bombings
(New York, November 3, 2004) -- Palestinian armed groups should immediately end all use of children in military attacks, Human Rights Watch said today, following a Tel Aviv suicide bombing by a 16-year-old that killed three Israeli civilians Monday.

Any attack on civilians is prohibited by international law, but using children for suicide attacks is particularly egregious. Palestinian armed groups must clearly and publicly condemn all use of children under the age of 18 for military activities, and make sure these policies are carried out. snip

http://groups.msn.com/Mishpocha/muslimclericscondemnpalestinianuseofchildren.msnw

Muslim Clerics Condemn Palestinian use of Children

"snip Allah (God) will bless the nations and true leaders who condemn, in clear
uncompromising terms, those parents, teachers, and murderous criminals,
who raise children on a poisoned diet of apostasy, hatred and violence.
These so-called Muslims send our children to die in acts of fitnah
(sedition), while they direct the suicidal sacrifice and slaughter of
these children from safe command posts, far from the battle.snip"
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:46 PM
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11. of those involved (16, 17 and 18 year olds)
Israeli government policy in the Occupied Territories defines Palestinians under the age of 16 as minors while Israeli children in the same territories are considered minors until they reach the age of 18.

Human Rights Watch further called on Israel to take effective measures to protect the lives of all civilians, particularly children.

-------------------

im not sure the significance of classifying folks 16 and older as adults (as opposed to 18) with the exception that to make them legal targets to the IDF. in other words it is legal for the IDF to kill 16 year olds in the occupied territories. so they can either die by an israeli bullet... or by other means.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:06 PM
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12. how about the younger kids being trained as suiciders
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1446003.stm

The Islamic Jihad is running a summer school - to teach boys the benefits of becoming suicide bombers.

A new generation of children, Palestinian boys aged between 12 and 15 years old, is growing up amid conflict and violence.
snip
Mohammed, a 14-year-old boy, draws himself with explosives strapped to his body, ready to blow himself to pieces if it means killing Jews

snip


The Pal government needs to shut these places down.

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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:15 PM
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13. government needs to shut these places down
let me ask you... if you worked in a social services office in the US, and a person came to you and said theres a kid who draws pictures of himself as a bomber what would you think?
perhaps theres excessive amounts of violence in his daily life?
perhaps if he lived under a brutal military occupation he might draw these images.
no doubt about it the govt needs to work to provide this "new generation" some sort of future but it cannot do it alone. the occupation has to end. theres no two ways about it.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 02:30 PM
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15. big difference between education and experience....
our education has far more "depth" than our experiences. Bad experiences can be overturned by good ones...our education in our youth is far more difficult modify...

first and formost the PA govt has to stop with the "ok to kill the jews/israeli tv shows".....)
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 02:40 PM
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17. tv is not reality. people can tell the difference.
weve gone through this before and while i agree education is important, to experience the curfew, the invasions and the BS those occupied experience, their daily lifes holds greater weight.

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 02:53 PM
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18. you are kidding right?!
"tv is not reality. people can tell the difference."

Two words for you: Fox News!
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 03:05 PM
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19. touché
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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 02:24 PM
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14. What are you talking about?
Formally speaking, the rules of engagement (and for that matter, civilian rules of self defense) don't distinguish whether someone is a minor or adult. If a 14-year old is shooting at you, you are legally allowed to use deadly force to stop him; and AFAIK, that's true pretty much all over the world.
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 02:36 PM
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16. and if he isnt shooting at you then what?
at least you killed a 16 year old adult terrorist and not a child.
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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 03:21 PM
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20. AFAIK
the standard is that you judge by activity (unless the person involved is obviously* a child). For example, if you see someone trying to infiltrate a settlement, you're not required to determine his exact age (though you are required to give a warning in any case).

Do you have a cite that 16-year-olds are officially regarded as adults? Also, keep in mind that while, to my knowledge, no Israeli minors have been involved as aggressors in this conflict, the same cannot be said of the Palestinian side.



*i.e. easily identifiable as
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 03:26 PM
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21. 2nd paragraph from the bottom
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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 05:00 PM
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22. Would help if they sourced that
since it may stem from the fact that* Palestinians are subject not to Israeli law, but rather to a mix of Ottomanic, Mandatory, and Jordanian law - it would be interesting to see what the age of majority was under those systems**.

*due to a requirement of international law, before anyone starts screaming "apartheid"
**two of which no longer exist, and I believe Jordan has changed theirs at least once, so looking at what it is today doesn't help.
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