Who really killed Huda Ghalia's family?

Guardian investigation undermines military claim that Israeli shells could not have been responsible for death of girl's family

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"Heartrending pictures of 10-year-old Huda Ghalia running wildly along a Gaza beach crying "father, father, father" and then falling weeping beside his body turned the distraught girl into an instant icon of the Palestinian struggle even before she fully grasped that much of her family was dead.

But the images of the young girl who lost her father, step-mother and five of her siblings as picnicking families fled a barrage of Israeli shells a week ago have become their own battleground.

Who and what killed the Ghalia family, and badly maimed a score of other people, has been the subject of an increasingly bitter struggle for truth all week amid accusations that a military investigation clearing the army was a cover-up, that Hamas was really responsible and even that the pictures of Huda's grief were all an act.

However, a Guardian investigation into the sequence of events raises new and so far unanswered questions about the Israeli military probe that cleared the army of responsibility. Evidence from hospital records, doctors' testimony and witness accounts challenges the military's central assertion that it had stopped shelling by the time seven members of the Ghalia family were killed."

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The occupation will continue, and the moderate voices of the Palestinians and Israelis will be drowned out among the roar of guns firing and bombs detonating. The living conditions in the Palestinian Territories is as bad if not worse than those under Apartheid-era South Africa. There will be no peace as long as the ideological and the intolerant are allowed to rule.

chain of custody for the piece of fuse.

Dang.

the rocket firing Palestinians who insist that its their right to kill israelis...no matter what the border......All they have to do is stop firing their missles..and israel, which left gaza, would then no longer have to shoot in to gaza.

it was the Palestinians that killed her family.

If the Israeli military targeted civilians on a beach in retaliation, it's still Israels responsibility, regardless of the provocation. If Hamas is a terrorists organization, then so is the State of Israel. They do the same things, only more effectively. The number of Palestinian civilians killed by Israel is far greater than the reverse.

no excuses are necessary..thats why israel has survived so many wars and attacks.....The civilians on the beach werent targeted, assuming an israeli shell, they dont always go where they're supposed to...but israel would even be firing if there werent kassams being launched daily in to israel....

no excuses are necessary

And with that disgusting comment, yr going on ignore...

Though if, as I suspect you may be doing, are saying that even if it was an Israeli shell that killed those civilians, it's still the Palestinians fault as they brought it on themselves, then I hope in the interests of fairness you will be applying the same logic to attacks on Israeli civilians. For example - suicide bombings? Israel insists it's their right to occupy, abuse, and kill Palestinians...no matter what the border....All they have to do is stop their brutal occupation of West Bank Palestinians by entering into negotiations with a genuine desire to come to an agreement that has them leaving the West Bank...and Palestinians who attack Israeli civilians would then no longer have to attack Israeli civilians....

Suffice to say I find that sort of logic applied to either Palestinian or Israeli civilians absolutely sickening, and eerily reminiscent of those who abuse their partners and blame their victims for the violence...

From the article, something as reprehensible as the attitudes I addressed in my post:

An American pro-Israel pressure group, Camera, which seeks to influence media coverage, went so far as to suggest that the film of Huda Ghalia's trauma was faked: "Were the bodies moved, was the girl asked to re-enact her discovery for the camera, was the video staged?"

Sick wankers, that CAMERA bunch....

All they have to do is stop their brutal occupation of West Bank Palestinians by entering into negotiations with a genuine desire to come to an agreement that has them leaving the West Bank...and Palestinians who attack Israeli civilians would then no longer have to attack Israeli civilian

and what if your wrong?...and the Hamas and islamic Jihad really do mean what they're charters say?..and the kassams and mortors start falling on Haderas apt buildings and netanyas?

You dont know who will be leading the PA, etc, perhaps it will be like 48 for them, and they want they're revenge..or like gaza today?

then what will be your suggestion?

dare to try?

I created a scenario that I made clear I found as ridiculous as the one you regularly trot out as a justification for Israeli attacks on Palestinian civilians. If I thought either were what I believed, I would have made that clear...

Let me say though that if missiles start falling on Haderas apt buildings, I expect that yr posts will be consistent with what they are when missiles fall on Gaza - eg it's the victims fault, in 2006 missiles can't tell the difference between military and civilians, etc...

your assuming that if israel pulls back to 67...no more missles on israeli towns...you condem israeli responses today....so, if israel pulls back to 67 and the kassams dont stop.....

yes my posts will be similar, but i would suggest using more force at that point, given that the 67 border pullback puts israel in a far more vunerable position...will yours?..that israel shouldnt shoot back unless they know for certain there are no civilians around (an impossbility....)?

your suggestion? if any?.....i suspect you wont answer because the only real defensive answer for israel involves lots of killing....far more than is happening now. However I get the impression that you cant even accept the fact that a pull back by israel my bring forth additional missles....can you?

Then explain to me why yr demanding I answer questions about something I've already said I don't believe....

on one hand you keep saying all the israelis have to do is go back to 67 and the palestenans will stop shooting....

i look at Gaza...i look at the N. lebanese border and see the opposite happening....pullback to 67 and the attacks continue.....
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In your belief (as thats what reading the future is all about)...is there any room for doubt?...that the palestenains might just continue shooting missles and mortars once the pullback?

There would be no Israeli shooting if the Palestinians stopped the kassam firing whicvh they can EASILY do.

...will the Israelis end targeted assassinations?

I think we know the answer.

Mariya of the sorrows

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"A happy ending? Not an ending, and not happy. Mariya Aman was transferred this week to the Alyn children's hospital in Jerusalem, after Israel had been on the point of returning her to Gaza, paralyzed and on a respirator. The little girl, aged 3 and a half, who lost her mother, her brother and her grandmother about a month ago, will have to undergo a rehabilitation process of several months. At the end of it, perhaps she will at least be able to breathe on her own, to speak, and maybe even to get out of bed. About half a year, maybe more, maybe less, according to the doctor's estimate - during which time she will be hospitalized in this excellent hospital.

Although her father will be at her side, he will have no home and no
place to stay; he will be imprisoned in the hospital, while at his home in Gaza, his young son Muaman, 2, who lost his mother and has been separated from his father, is waiting for him.

The two children, Mariya and Muaman, are survivors of the "targeted assassination" carried out by the Israel Air Force, which was planning to kill Mohammed Dahduh of the Islamic Jihad, and cut down almost an entire family. Had it not been for the intervention of Physicians for Human Rights, and the belated response of Defense Minister Amir Peretz, who acted to provide funding for rehabilitation treatment for the child, she would have been sent to Gaza, where there is not a single rehabilitation hospital, to die a slow death. This week, a similar solution was being sought for her uncle, Nahed, father of two infants, who is also on a respirator and paralyzed from the attack.

The chief of staff, Lieutenant General Dan Halutz, was proud of the work of his air force. At the end of the investigation conducted by the Israel Defense Forces, he noted that the attack was carried out "with a high level of professionalism" and "with precision." I have a suggestion for the sensitive chief of staff and former air force commander, who is familiar with every type of human suffering: Let him make an effort to go to the Alyn Hospital in Jerusalem and see with his own eyes the "high level of professionalism" and the "precision" of his pilots. Perhaps all the new pilots should be sent as well - just before they go out on their assignments, press the button and sow death - to see the outcome with their own eyes, something they never see on their sophisticated computer screens: a pretty little girl whose entire world has been destroyed, and the members of a happy family, who were taking their first drive in their new car. Now, nothing remains except bereavement, orphans and disability."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=727401&contrassID=2&subContrassID=14&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

why do you assume so....the palestenains have yet NOT to shoot kassams, attempt to cross the border to kill israelis...

and why are they?

whats your assumption based on?....there has never been a "letup" in attacks nor attempts on the side of the palestenains from gaza to cross the border...

"There would be no Israeli shooting if the Palestinians stopped the kassam firing.."


Do you believe that to be true?

Do you think the Israelis will end their policy of targeted assassinations against Palestinians if the Kassam firing stopped?

israel pulled out of gaza.....seems to me its the palestenains turn to show that they can control their population from attempting to kill israelis....the whole country of israel is waiting for this

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"Meretz faction leader MK Zehava Gal-On called on the government Saturday to initiate the establishment of an international panel to investigate the blast that killed seven Palestinian civilians on a Gaza beach last week.

Gal-On said Israel has a "moral responsibility" to determine the true circumstances of the incident and added that Israel should be a party to the investigative commission.

"Credibility is an asset of utmost importance and Israel has an interest in maintaining her credibility," Gal-On said.

The Meretz leader also said her demand is based on the most recent findings released by the press and international human rights groups according to which the Israel Defense Forces was involved in the explosion.

The Palestinian Authority on Saturday again demanded an international probe into the incident."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/727903.html