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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:42 PM
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Air strikes in Gaza, Israeli planes invading Syrian air space

Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 04:44 PM by Techno Dog

Israeli planes are dropping leaflets warning residents of Gaza to flee if they don't want to be killed.

Syria fires on Israeli jets

Associated Press
Wednesday June 28, 2006

Air defences fired on Israeli warplanes that entered Syrian airspace early today and forced them to flee, according to state-run Syrian TV, as tensions escalated over the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier by Palestinian militants.

Israel said its planes buzzed the summer residence of Syrian President Bashar Assad in the Mediterranean coastal city of Latakia, flying low enough to cause a noise on the ground.

Israeli officials said on condition of anonymity that Assad was targeted because of the "direct link" between Syria and Hamas, the Palestinian militant group holding Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, 19, in the Gaza Strip. Syria hosts Khaled Meshaal, Hamas' exiled supreme leader.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1808135,00.html

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HiFructosePronSyrup

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:43 PM
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1. How thoughtful of them.

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:46 PM
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3. This because one of their soldiers was captured

while on a mission inside Gaza.

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HiFructosePronSyrup

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:47 PM
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5. Sure.

And in order to let him go, the Palestinians want the Israelis to release the women and children that they captured.

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:59 PM
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12. WRONG!

At least get the story right! The Palestinians tunneled INTO Israel and ATTACKED the Israelis KILLING two and kidnapping a third!

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:03 PM
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19. I'll retract if you provide a link.

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:08 PM
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26. .

Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 05:08 PM by Behind the Aegis

"Israel also attempted to apply pressure through various other channels yesterday, including asking American and Egyptian officials to press the Palestinian Authority for Shalit's return, and by warning the PA that Israel would start targeting senior Hamas leaders, including members of the Hamas-led PA government, if Shalit is not returned unharmed. Hamas was one of three organizations that participated in the assault on the outpost, which is located on the Israeli side of the Gaza-Israel border.

The assault also killed two soldiers - First Lieutenant Hanan Barak, 20, of Arad and Staff Sergeant Pavel Slutzker, 20, of Dimona - and wounded another seven, of whom three were released after being treated by the hospital. Of the other four, two were lightly injured, one was moderately injured, and the fourth was initially classified as seriously injured, but has since improved and is now in moderate condition."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x128782

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:16 PM
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33. On this you seem to be correct

Instead of editing my post I'll leave it there as penance for my error.

I was under the impression (wrongly) he was captured during one of the several raids that have taken place in the past week.

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:17 PM
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34. backhanded retraction...

but I guess it's the best we can expect.

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:20 PM
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35. How back handed?

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:25 PM
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38. Here's how...

"You were correct and I was wrong, but because of all the other bad stuff Israel has done, I got mixed up." That is basically what your "retraction" is.

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:34 PM
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40. lol

No sorry. There was a CLEAR retraction then an attempt to explain my error.

"all of the other bad stuff" lead to the confusion but was in no way meant to excuse the error. Hence the retraction instead of any belligerent attempts to deny responsibility.

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lildreamer316

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:45 PM
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2. Friggin' A.

What a unique solution to a problem..killing people. :cry:

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:47 PM
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6. Where are the residents of Gaza supposed to flee to? n/t

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blonndee

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:47 PM
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7. You beat me to it.

Not like they can really GO anywhere, right? With all the walls and tanks and guns and everything surrounding them?

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lildreamer316

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:48 PM
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8. I know. n/t

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DELUSIONAL

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Wed Jun-28-06 06:07 PM
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45. same place the residents of Falujah in Iraq were supposed to flee

or the American Indians -- Wounded Knee -- or starving reservation Indians who left the reservation to hunt for food and were murdered by white settlers & scalps turned in for a bounty.

The side that has the most lethal toys makes the rules -- and writes the history books.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I fear that this is going to be a long bloody summer in many places.

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Jim Sagle

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Wed Jun-28-06 09:36 PM
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60. Nice way to excuse an aggressive act of war from the Palestinian side.

And a not so nice way to suggest the entirely bogus idea of genocide.

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deaniac21

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:46 PM
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4. Flying low enough to cause a noise on the ground?

Kind of a strange sentence...

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Pavulon

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Wed Jun-28-06 06:12 PM
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48. AKA

Supersonic pass. A giant fuck you to the syrian controllers of hamas. If they buzzed it they could have bombed it.

Note the lack of syrian air fore interception. Guess they did not want to get shot down.

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Poll_Blind

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:52 PM
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9. A good question: Where are they to flee to? n/t

PB

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Jim Sagle

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Wed Jun-28-06 09:33 PM
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57. They don't need to flee anywhere. They just need to stop invading

Israel and killing its citizens.

Do try to keep up.

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Violet_Crumble

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Thu Jun-29-06 05:36 AM
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63. PB asked about CIVILIANS, not militants...

Try to keep up yrself...

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:53 PM
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10. BBC world service news coming on in 6 min

for people that get it and want reasonably reliable coverage.

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tocqueville

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:07 PM
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25. check here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5124872.stm

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ladjf

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Wed Jun-28-06 04:57 PM
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11. Here we go again. The Israeli's continue to play the same

military card. Sooner or later, there are going to be matching forces to oppose them.

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:01 PM
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14. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:00 PM
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13. And yet another "Israeli hatefest" thread...FUN!

:eyes:

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:02 PM
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16. Hate fest?

Whatever do you mean?

How is it hateful?

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:03 PM
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18. If you can't figure it out...

...then, I doubt I can help you.

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:04 PM
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21. Ah i see

Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 05:04 PM by Techno Dog

you're trying to get this thread moved from GD.

Sorry I don't hate Jews.

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #21

27. I didn't say you did, now did I?!

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arcane1

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:04 PM
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22. nice cop-out

silly me, I forgot that Israel can do no wrong :eyes:

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:12 PM
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29. No, it is that Israel shouldn't exist!

:sarcasm:

It's the PA that can do no wrong, or anyone else for that matter except Israel and the US!

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arcane1

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:14 PM
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31. you said it, not me

you put a lot of words out there that nobody else in this thread is using

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arcane1

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:02 PM
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17. if you say so

looks like a "killing people" hatefest, if anything

:eyes:

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:03 PM
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20. Yeah, that's it!

:eyes:

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arcane1

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:05 PM
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23. so how is it a hate fest?

Show us the posts depicting a hatred of Israel

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:10 PM
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28. Find them yourself...

...but don't limit yourself to this forum...venture into LBN and I/P!

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arcane1

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:13 PM
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30. you called THIS thread a hate fest

then tell ME to prove your claim??

:rofl:

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Marr

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:24 PM
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37. Do you also believe that crticizing the US gov't is "un-American"?

Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 05:25 PM by Marr

I don't understand this whole, "if you criticize the Israeli government you must be an antisemite" thing. It makes about as much sense as it's "un-American" counterpart.

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:32 PM
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39. And, please show me where i said...

...""if you criticize the Israeli government you must be an antisemite"?" I didn't! This makes the third baseless accusation of me calling posters anti-Semites or implying they are because they are anti-Israeli! That is the new tactic!

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:39 PM
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41. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1527378&mesg_id=1527696

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:48 PM
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42. That doesn't support your arguement!

I never said "Jew" nor did I say "anti-Semite", nor did I accuse YOU of anything!! A swing and a miss!

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:56 PM
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43. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Marr

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Wed Jun-28-06 06:00 PM
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44. Please, spare me the Bush-esque word parsing game.

Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 06:00 PM by Marr

"And yet another "Israeli hatefest" thread...FUN!"

That's pretty clear.

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Behind the Aegis

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Wed Jun-28-06 06:09 PM
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46. Please spare me the conflating...

What is "clear" is I said ISRAELI, do not presume to tell me what I meant, especially when i have already said, ad nauseum, what I meant! If I felt the tread itself was anti-Semitic, there wouldn't be ANY posts from me, because I would have alerted!

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 07:05 PM
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54. But pissing all over it

calling it a 'hate fest', and saying people here want to see the destruction of israel is the route you chose instead.

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Violet_Crumble

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Thu Jun-29-06 05:40 AM
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64. Calling for the destruction of Israel is more often than not Antisemitic..

And if accusations are being aimed at someone of wanting to see the destruction of Israel, it's a very safe bet it's just another way of accusing someone of being Antisemitic...

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Jim Sagle

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Wed Jun-28-06 09:38 PM
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61. Almost like a preventive war, ain't it?

Rhetorically speaking. :-)

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Catherine Vincent

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:02 PM
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15. I'm impressed.

You actually post about other topics.

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:06 PM
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24. I have always

posted in other threads.

It's just people kept responding to me with crap that I needed to reply to.

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Catherine Vincent

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:15 PM
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32. Maybe they thought your posts were crap.

Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 05:15 PM by cat_girl25

Did you ever think of that? :)

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 05:23 PM
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36. I did for a moment

But then I saw all the "idiot", "troll", "rove plant" accusations, and dismissed it out of hand.

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Pavulon

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Wed Jun-28-06 06:10 PM
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47. Message, like the horse head

don't fuck around in our country with you puppet damascus led Hamas movement.

If they buzzed it and were not intercepted they could have dropped 5 2000lb bombs on it.

They used to do the same thing with the f-4 ( a big jet) over damascus. Low level supersonic passes.

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 06:31 PM
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49. Just because they could

doesn't mean they can.

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Pavulon

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Wed Jun-28-06 06:41 PM
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50. You mean should?

If they buzzed it they could have leveled it.

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 06:51 PM
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51. No I mean can

Macho bravado aside.

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Pavulon

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Wed Jun-28-06 06:57 PM
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52. If they made a pass

Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 06:58 PM by Pavulon

over his house with f-15e fighters they could have dropped 500lb bombs. Or hit it with a cruise missile.

I do not understand your point.

They are counting coup

spelling

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 07:02 PM
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53. I think it's clear

I am saying that the ramifications of such an attack make it untenable. Hence the 'can't'.

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Pavulon

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Wed Jun-28-06 07:06 PM
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55. I agree

with that. I do not think that would be a productive use of force.

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Techno Dog

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Wed Jun-28-06 07:25 PM
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56. .

:toast:

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Warren DeMontague

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Wed Jun-28-06 09:35 PM
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58. All I can say is, if George Bush was running that country...

they would have invaded Madagascar.

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malaise

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Wed Jun-28-06 09:36 PM
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59. The silence on this planet is frightening

Fascism is spreading across the globe. This madness must stop.

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eyl

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Thu Jun-29-06 03:48 AM
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62. You do realize

that the article you linked to doesn't mention leaflets?

In any case

The Israeli army has dropped leaflets in northern Gaza, urging residents to avoid areas which might be targeted.

BBC

i.e. not "urging them to flee".

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Violet_Crumble

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Thu Jun-29-06 05:43 AM
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65. There's a problem with that...

If the areas which might be targetted contain the homes of people, isn't telling them to avoid their own homes the same thing as urging them to flee?

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eyl

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Thu Jun-29-06 07:30 AM
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66. The phrasing isn't exact

it's rather irritating - I found three articles quoting the leaflets yesterday, and now I can't find any of them:mad:. Basically, what they said was that people in areas the IDF was operating in should stay indoors and stay "out of the action".

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