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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:45 AM Original message |
UCL professor: Terror 'Palestinians' moral right' |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. No one has a "moral" right to terrorism |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yes, the term generally implies condemnation... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Right, you have to use the right description, depending on who the perps are. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Terrorism is a TACTIC. |
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henank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Do you consider suicide bombers a defensive tactic? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The pro-Palestininan posters here |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Excuse me? Where do you get this crap. Show me one poster who said that |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I don't know how to search posts, nor am I interested in wasting my time |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Bullshit. I've seen the charge that this is the case but never have I come across |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. If I never see such evidence from here forth, consider the claim retracted nt |
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Girlieman (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Debating the "legitimacy" of Israel is a waste of time |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. ask tom... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:41 PM Original message |
Yes, Tom is one who has talked of 60 years of occupation |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
104. I can search |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Perhaps you can search again. That post did not back up the claim made by Vegas. nt |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. Terrorist "enablers" |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. Yeah., I noticed that too... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I think calling someone simple in thinking |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Try reading what's said. I didn't call you simple... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
46. I do nothing of the sort... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. No, I don't think Jews in WWII could morally |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Well, I appreciate your consistency. |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Then I'll elaborate |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to to twist things around so |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
60. European Jews circa WWII |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #34 |
57. the case of the two british sergeants... |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. No, I believe the harm it did |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. You can not mean that really |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:08 AM Response to Reply #37 |
62. See post 34 re the first point |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. The Palestinians could have chosen a good life of partying, voting, swimming |
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Girlieman (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. "They chose to start a war in 1967 and lost more again" |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. There was no Palestine in 1967 |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
69. Very true. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Deleted message |
kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Not in WW2? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
52. Here's a question or two for you... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
44. Sorry, it's illegal on this forum to answer that question. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. I didn't see the deleted post... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Would you be willing to answer your own question? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. See above. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. i'm afraid they're in shock... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. I think you're kidding yourself |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
54. Terrorism is a tactic for sure |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:13 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. My point is that it's frequently discussed on this thread, |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:54 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. What point is being missed? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. The focus on the tactic misses the underlying cause. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Underlying causes of terrorism... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. I agree. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. I"m going to defend PM here..... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. My knight ;) nt |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Part of the problem is that there are two cultures . . |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. The defining characteristic of those who employ suicide terrorism is not religion, it's occupation. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. My favorite: |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. And part II: |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Fascinating read... looks like the common characteristic is CIA involvement |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Well, I didn't say it was religion. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. That would be a good theory |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. My post was not about suicide terrorism. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. The silence will be deafening n/t |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. I think all that list proved... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Are you saying that none of those examples . . |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #96 |
103. No, but you seemed to be claiming they all were... |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Remember the debate we had on the King David Hotel? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Yeah, I remember that debate... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #94 |
105. Do you ever reply to a point someone has made . . |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. So it's *intellectually dishonest* to point out factually incorrect claims from you? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Read Bemildred's article. It helps to educate yourself beyond wikipedia. nt |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. You said that terrorism is caused by occupation. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. To repeat myself: |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Not to belabor the point . . |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. End of discussion because you say so? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. With you two, "discussion" never begins. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
93. I think this also applies to some elements of Western culture, frankly |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Thanks for your adding those thoughts. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'd like to make one point clear. |
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KatzManDu (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
3. No-one has a right to terrorism. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Are you sure you want to begin counting? |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Condemnation must be balanced......... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. No, condemnation must be deserved, not balanced. |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Ah, but there we have it - Who decides? |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. You make that judgment because my conclusions . . . |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I say no such thing ............. |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Oh, I see. You do have standards to judge behavior. |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. That's very kind of you, but .......... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I told you in that same post that all it would take is one post . . |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:52 AM Response to Reply #39 |
59. I suppose there must be a few simpletons ......... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #59 |
74. I'm dissapointed. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #59 |
77. LOL! |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. let me cut in here.... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Is that a good summary?? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I think the point is that Israel isn't supposed to respond to their citizens being killed |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Instead of misrepresenting other peoples views, how about being more clear about yr own? |
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Itiel (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
22. How nice of the Oxford Union |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The Oxford Union is a private club, NOT the student body of Oxford.. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
51. The whole "right to exist" thing... |
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henank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Not absurd at all |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Sorry, but it is absurd... |
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henank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I tacked on "Jewish" on purpose |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #58 |
76. So you think that if Hamas would "recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state" then that |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #76 |
98. You could say the same |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. So, why are those words a condition to any talks? |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 04:08 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Because in the majority of peace treaties |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Hamas has no chance in hell of destroying the state of Israel. I'd say this is the case here. nt |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. They are working on that capability |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. The point is we'd like them to stop trying n/t |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:12 AM Response to Reply #56 |
63. It's not absurd |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Abban Eban: “Nobody does Israel any service by proclaiming its ‘right to exist.’" |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
71. It is a propaganda term, a dissembled demand for support. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I think that what it really means is... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. That's close enough for me. |
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