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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:47 PM
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PA: Arafat okayed Geneva Accord
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/349493.html

Top Palestinian Authority officials confirmed
yesterday that Yasser Arafat was briefed about
details of the Geneva Accord before it was
finalized, and gave a positive nod to the peace
proposal after it was completed.

<snip>

Terms formulated in the Geneva Accord do not
contradict well-known positions officially
upheld by the PA, the officials claimed.

With respect to the right of return, the full
version of the Geneva Accord refers to UN
Resolution number 194, which allows refugees to
choose between return or compensation - but the
Geneva Accord adds that such refugee return is
contingent upon Israel's consent. Should the PA
officially endorse the Geneva Accord, it would
be the first time the Palestinians have
effectively relinquished demands for a full
right of return for all refugees.
<snip>
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 01:19 AM
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1. Former PM
Ehud Barak has called the plan "delusional".

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/349354.html
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 03:55 AM
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2. Geneva Accord ain't nuthin' but shit

props to my man Jim.

Leopold wouldv'e loved Jim in the Congo. If ever a man was born in the wrong century...
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:14 AM
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3. Excuse me sir
are you for peace?
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:20 AM
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4. of course I'm for peace. What you think being an Enemy of the State means

Peace is anti-American, anti-imperialist, anti-Halliburton, and anti-Likud.

Peace is disruptive.

Peace is the opposite of money.

Peace is the new terror.

I just wrote a long long thing about the Geneva Accord in the other thread about the right of return, go read that.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:49 AM
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6. Of course?
The opposite of money is poverty

Chaos is disruptive...Peace is peaceful

The new terror is wahabism

You have a ways to catch Karl Rove at doublespeak

and Im glad you finally support Jews right of return. Were you stating it for Israel only or for all the nations that expelled Jews in 1948?
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 12:29 PM
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8. I said all the people who immigrated to Israel from Europe and US

should have the right to return to Europe and the US, any time they want to. Now, or when the settlement they are illegally occupying is dismantled.

Whether Israel wants to resettle them in Israel proper or not is up to Israel. Whether they want to live in Israel proper or the country they went there from is up to them.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 12:51 PM
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9. I find your
anti immigrant views disturbing.

Perhaps Jews just want a place where they can run for higher office without being castigated for their religion.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:00 PM
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19. You think immigrants should be forced to stay if they don't like it?

I imagine there are people who come to the US from Europe or South Africa and are displeased with the rapidly changing demographics and decide to return to their home country.

I do not believe that they should be either forced by the US to remain here, or refused re-entry by the country they left.

Are you disturbed because I believe that people who immigrated to Israel should have the same option?
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:17 PM
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20. Gosh sir
they already do...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:51 AM
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7. War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance Is Strength

http://www.studentsfororwell.org/
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:15 AM
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5. When the Egyption weasel
OKs anything, I want to look a lot longer and harder.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 02:26 PM
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10. His being weasel has nothing to do
with where he was born. I would bet that most of the people born in Cairo are NOT weasels.

He may be a weasel because of bad potty training or the fact that his mentor was a Hitlerite but it probably isn't because of where he was born.

But then again Im no astrologer.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 06:42 PM
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11. That's true your not
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 06:46 PM by rini
but that is another issue. I call him the Egyption weasel because he is an Egyption who made millions off the blood, sweat and tears of a people he claims are his but in actuality are not. I call Hitler the Austrian @#$@!##$$$ because that is what he was, not a put down to Austrians as a group.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 06:43 PM
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12. Arafat is a Palestinian.
n/t
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 06:46 PM
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13. not by birth
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 06:51 PM by rini
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 06:49 PM
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14. By parentage.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:03 PM
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15. Depends
on whether he is a Jew or an Arab as to whether he can be born someplce else yet retain your permission to live in the Middle East.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:04 PM
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16. He was born in Cairo, Egypt...
to a prominent Palestinian family. This "Egyptian" junk is simply propaganda to discredit him.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 07:33 PM
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17. Thank you for the complement
He most certainly does not need me to discredit him. He is extremely capable of doing it himself.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:21 PM
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18. Actually Darranar
there has always been a lot of mistrust of Arafat and his henchmen because of their Egyptian accents. They are seen as elitist. So it actually is kind of a deal.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:22 PM
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21. I don't understand why Arafat is involved in this shit
It's the classic bit of 'bad cop, good cop' garbage.

There is some attack of somewhere, it used to be the West Bank when I first started coming here, and then all of a sudden there is a stunning new peace initiative that has been quietly negotiated behind the scenes ususally by Peres, which magically disappears after a couple of days in the news.

This is just pure propaganda, it makes the israelis look like they are interested in peace after they have just 'wacked' a load of people.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:25 PM
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22. My impression is that Mr. Arafat is a media hog.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:26 PM
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23. We've had a couple of days to chew it over
you won't hear another fucking word about this so-called 'Geneva Accord'.

I don't believe one god damn word of the entire thing.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 06:38 AM
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24. perhaps so
this seemed interesting though,

Tanzim pushes for popular support of Geneva Accord
By Akiva Eldar

Key members of the Fatah-affiliated Tanzim
organization who participated in drafting the
Geneva Accord yesterday opened a public relations
campaign about the document in Palestinian refugee
camps in an effort to muster support for the
initiative.

They told their Israeli
counterparts that in general,
the response they encountered
was positive.

The Palestinian participants
reiterated their commitment to
the document, which does not
mention the right of return or
its realization. However, they
also stressed that no Palestinian
will ever publicly renounce the
dream of return, just as they do
not demand that any Israeli publicly
renounce his right to return to Hebron.

--snip--

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/349890.html

You do have a good point, however. I filed this under the "we're making this up as we go along so as to appear like we're not really just making shit up as we go along" file. That's a very thick file.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 08:30 PM
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26. You may be right Aidoneus
On reflection in a cooler state of mind, i think there may well be a tad more substance to this one than others. Maybe. Possibly.

There does seem, on the surface, to be some big names involved.

Although if it is the usual, I was thinking yesterday this must be about my fourth one of these.

The first time I would have fallen for it.
The second time I would have been cottening on to it.
The third time I would be posting snarky remarks. Now if I remember correctly this third one was the one Sharon was associated with, because the first two were Peres initiatives and there was too obvious a pattern developing.
Possibly this one makes four, maybe.

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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:21 AM
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25. A Yediot poll on the accord: 59% against, 39% in favor
n/t
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