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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:48 AM
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teaching terror

PMW Director Itamar Marcus
Testifies at US Senate Hearing
- PMW Documentary Screened at the Hearing

Senate Appropriations Committee was examining whether US financial support to the Palestinians was directly or indirectly funding the Palestinian Authority hate indoctrination, that has been documented by Palestinian Media Watch . The hearing opened with the screening of the PMW video documentary - "Ask for Death" - depicting how the PA has indoctrinated its children to seek Shahada - Death for Allah - through music videos and other means

"How can you think about building a better future, no matter what your political views, if you indoctrinate your children to a culture of death?" Clinton told reporters on a conference call after the hearing. "We should all agree that children should not be indoctrinated into hatred and violence and then indoctrinated into killing themselves."
Clinton said that, during the hearing, she asked the PLO representative in Washington, Hassan Abdel Rahman, whether the PA plans to cease such broadcasts. "He evaded my question," she said. Rahman, she said, argued that the broadcasts were mistranslated and misinterpreted.


http://www.pmw.org.il


comment> sure they were.....and all who believe in faeries clapp your hands
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Adalah Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:51 AM
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1. Terrorism
The Palestinians and all peoples should turn their backs on it. It damages the offenders as well as their targets.
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 11:09 AM
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5. No question.
It sabotages the aspirations of the offenders while stiffening the resolve of their targets. And that doesn't bother to go into what it does to everyone's psyche, self and soul.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:56 AM
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2. Oh
And US military and financial aid to Israel (for everything it is used) is fine? Double standards, as so often...
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Adalah Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 09:01 AM
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3. No, actually
I don't think the current level of American aid to Israel should continue without some type of concrete, unilateral requirements. This would consist, at least primarily, of scaling back the settlements.
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 11:07 AM
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4. Foreign Aid
<cut>

DOES U.S. AID PLAY A ROLE IN MIDDLE EAST PEACEMAKING?

Yes. The two largest recipients of American aid, Israel and Egypt, got their assistance packages as rewards for concluding the first Arab-Israeli peace treaty in 1979. U.S. aid to Israel and its neighbors has provided incentives for taking often risky moves toward peace. While Yasir Arafat’s Palestinian Authority—which the Bush administration says is tainted by ties to terrorism—doesn’t receive any direct assistance from the United States, Palestinians benefit from $70 million a year in U.S. aid through U.N. refugee assistance programs, as well as about $75 million administered to water, housing, employment, and democracy programs.

Copyright ©2003 Council on Foreign Relations.


http://www.terrorismanswers.com/policy/foreignaid_print.html
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 11:09 AM
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6. Well
One thing is aid through UN refugee assistance programs, another is military aid like combat airplanes that bomb Palestinians and demolish anything in their way..
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Adalah Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 12:03 PM
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8. Foreign aid
Edited on Fri Oct-31-03 12:06 PM by Adalah
There is interesting information at your link. I didn't realize the extent of aid to Egypt. They get $1.9 billion, and Israel $2.7 billion. As I read it, that's $4.6 billion out of the total $11.4 billion. That's about 40% of our foreign aid going to two countries.

It's also said foreign aid is only 1% of our budget. It seems to me this should be upgraded several times over, which would be relatively easy to do by trimming our bloated military expenditures.

There are several ways to combat terror. I tend to prefer things like supporting opponents of oppressive regimes, enhancing our domestic security, and generous foreign aid to fight poverty and promote democracy, as opposed to the military overthrow of a hostile government, as in Iraq. The end of Sadaam's regime was certainly a positive thing, but in terms of economic, political, and human costs, the war was a terribly inefficient way of trying to fight terror, promote democracy and benefit the world.

End rant.
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Adalah Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 03:11 PM
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10. One more note
Bush has asked for $80 billion plus for Iraq. That's about 10 times our total foreign aid budget for a year. Seems there were better ways to spend that money if we were interested in fighting terror.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:25 PM
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16. Definitely
like fighting diseases, especially AIDS, and poverty.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 03:44 PM
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11. Foreign aid for Israel is a lot larger then that...
more like 4 billion.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 03:47 PM
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12. Proof please.
what source is that from??
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 03:51 PM
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13. Haha
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 03:56 PM
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14. See above (thanks bluesoul).
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 08:11 AM
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19. Before you get so excited, Darranar,
please note that even bluesnote's link states annual aid to Israel is ONLY $3,000,000.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 08:18 AM
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21. Quite a lot of it gets in through other ways...
the exact number would be extremely difficult to find. I stand by my estimate of 3-4 billion.

And the US gave Israel 9 billion for "security" a while ago, though it isn't part of the annual aid.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 04:27 PM
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22. "US gave Israel 9 billion for "security" a while ago"
I guess you have forgotten somewhat. That was not for security and not a gift. That's why it's not included as part of a financial aid. It is 9 billion in loan guarantees, over 3 years. 3 billion each year that Israel can raise on the money markets in the US. Doesn't cost the US tax payer a thing, that's why it's not considered financial aid.

Funny, how the details get forgotten so quickly.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 04:31 PM
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23. Except all those loan guarantees...
are paid back with US money granted as a gift, as you have pointed out multiple times before.
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 11:31 AM
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7. Planting seeds of the next war: The Truth About Palestinian Schoolbooks
After becoming a part of the sidetracked posters here, I wish to extend my apology to you for not addressing your topic. To that end, here is further research into the link you provided:

<snip>

Making matters worse, the Palestinian Authority has been spreading two clever lies about the schoolbooks that have succeeded in deflecting international pressure for change. This week, at a meeting in Jordan, Nebil Shaath answered Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom’s complaint about the schoolbooks saying that the PA has “spent five years” rewriting the books, implying that they are now proper. Then he added, that Israel used the same old Jordanian books for educating the local Arab population “for 30 years”, and therefore has no valid complaint to the PA. Many European governments, and many Israelis, have come to the PA’s defense, citing these and other arguments.

The truth about the PA schoolbooks is first, that both new and old are far from proper - both include anti-Semitism, de-legitimize Israel’s existence and incite to hatred and violence. In the new 6th grade book “Reading the Koran”, anti-Semitism is presented openly, as children read about Allah’s warning to the Jews that because of their evil Allah will kill them: “...Oh you who are Jews ...long for death if you are truthful... for the death from which you flee, that will surely overtake you ...”In other sections they learn of Jews being expelled from their homes by Allah, and in another Jews are said to be like donkeys: “Those who were charged with the Torah, but did not observe it, are like a donkey carrying books...” . This religious based anti-Semitism is the most dangerous, as children are taught that hating Jews is God’s choice. And while Islam is not being critiqued, it is very grave that although Islam has positive traditions regarding Jews, the PA educators chose to incorporate only hateful religious traditions

<snip>

Educating not to recognize Israel’s existence is cemented through tens of maps in the schoolbooks in which “Palestine” encompass all of Israel. Israel does not exist on any map, within any borders. The PA defense of their schoolbook map, that since there are no final borders the map is not portraying modern “Palestine” but “Mandatory Palestine”, is an insult to our intelligence. Are we expected to believe that when Palestinian children see the map called “Palestine” in all their schoolbooks they imagine Britain a half a century ago? And when Beersheba is called Palestine, the children are picturing Biblical history?

<snip>

Moreover, as early as three years ago foreign governments offered money to the PA to reprint these old books without the hateful material. The PA turned down the money and refused to reprint them using a variety of arguments, the first of which was: “Don’t get involved in our education - it is our Palestinian heritage.” These hateful Jordanian books are republished today unedited by the PA by choice and the PA must stop passing responsibility onto others for the hate content.

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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 12:39 PM
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9. They should have textbooks that praise the Torture Lottery

All Muslim children should only be allowed to read books that stress how important it is to block food and medicine to kids like them, and that when their little friends or their family members are murdered, maimed, beaten or otherwise eliminated, that while they may feel some sadness, they should try to remember that it is very important for the US defense industry to maintain the Palestine project, and point out how effectively the same strategies are being implemented in Iraq!
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methinks2 Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 06:43 PM
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15. Both sides of the conflict
teach hate and killing. If you're no sure, just read the old testament. Religion should always be left out of politics. It just leads to problems.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 07:31 PM
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17. I agree
Both sides of the conflict teach hate....Religion should always be left out of politics....

:thumbsup:
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 08:55 PM
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18. Only education
can put a stop to the teachings of terror. Unfortunately educating people takes time. Even if you take all the offensive books away, it's already in their heads.

Talk about brainwashing, I saw an American on TV enthusiastically leading Iraqi children punching the air while calling out "America, America, America," not "Iraq, Iraq, Iraq." I'm against all kinds of brainwashing.

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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 08:17 AM
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20. Yes, only education:
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