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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:56 AM
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While Dersh Lies About J St, Schumer Bashes Obama
By M.J. Rosenberg - April 23, 2010, 9:04AM

A few weeks ago, an Arab-American, active in efforts to achieve the two-state solution, told me was upset by the occasional appearancse on cable of some obscure professor who, he said, "makes all Arabs look bad."

I told him that I had to agree about this particular fellow. He is, I said, pretty obnoxious but. I added that I didn't think he is viewed as representing the opinions of Arab-Americans.

He disagreed: "No, people don't know one Arab from another. So when they see this guy spewing this hateful stuff, people just have their worst prejudices confirmed. He's our Alan Dershowitz, except he's not on every other day."

He had me there. Pro-Israel people - and many Jews in general - feel like running from their televisions or computer screens when Dershowitz appears. On the other hand, Israel's real enemies cheer.

Dershowitz is the opposite of Israel's Ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren. Even when Oren is wrong, he looks and sounds reasonable. But Dershowitz sounds like he's jamming propaganda points down your throat even when he is telling the truth. Every time he appears he scores points for the other team (whichever "other team" he's playing against that day).

The good news is that few people take him seriously anymore. The bad news is that the people who do take him seriously are filling my in-box (and maybe yours) with anonymous screeds about Barack Obama, the "selling out" of Israel, Iranians who happily die in order to kill Jews, and the imminent loss of Jerusalem to Hamas. .

Today I received a new one in which Dershowitz blasts J Street -- the pro-peace, pro-Israel lobby - as an enemy of the Jewish people.

remainder: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/23/dersh_bashes_j_st_while_schumer_bashes_obama_for_m/#more
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:11 AM
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1. This guy is nothing if not prolific
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 11:11 AM by oberliner
Time was when you'd get an op-ed once a week at the most.

This guy seems to manage to put one out almost daily!

Also, there was once a time when articles wouldn't be published until they were checked for typos:

"by the occasional appearancse on cable..."

The internet really has changed the game in so many ways.

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:12 AM
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2. Typos are so important, yep.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:16 AM
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3. They indicate the amount of care that has been taken
When you write a new op-ed piece every day and you don't bother to edit them before publication that ought to signify something.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:17 AM
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4. Right, and the content overlooked, ok.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:19 AM
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5. "Dershowtiz is a dufus" appears to be the gist of the content
Not much to say in response to that.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:30 AM
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6. MJ also takes Schumer to task, at length.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:35 PM
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8. I don't really consider "Wow!" to be taking someone to task
He actually has very little to say of note on that subject. He presents a longish excerpt of Schumer's remarks and responds with a "wow" and little else.

The majority of the article is on the "Dershowitz is a dufus" topic.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:48 PM
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9. From MJ:
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 12:49 PM by Jefferson23
"There is nothing wrong with criticizing a President's foreign policy (although Schumer went out of his way to support former President George W. Bush on Iraq), but the words he uses in talking about Obama's policies are utterly inappropriate.

I am not saying that Schumer, in any way, puts Israel's interests above those of his own country. On the contrary, his main concerns are domestic and, with a few notable exceptions, he has been a strong progressive force.

Given the nature of American politics and the need to fill one's political war chest, a certain amount of pandering is to be expected. But this time he went too far. Does he really believe that what happens in Brooklyn stays in Brooklyn? He owes the President an apology. And, by undermining an effort that could bring security to Israel, he owes the Israeli people an apology too."

Calling for a senior Senator to apologize to President Obama is more than just his stating, Wow!

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:03 PM
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11. And 28 paragraphs about Dershowitz
Give or take.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:08 PM
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13. It doesn't take many paragraphs to take Schumer to task, as Rosenberg
illustrates, quite well.
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aranthus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:18 PM
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7. More of a prolific nothing. n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:02 PM
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10. A prolific nothing?
M.J. Rosenberg is Senior Foreign Policy Fellow at Media Matters Action Network. Previously, he worked on Capitol Hill for various Democratic members of the House and Senate for 15 years. He was also a Clinton political appointee at USAID. In the early 1980s, he was editor of AIPACs weekly newsletter Near East Report. From 1998-2009, he was director of policy at Israel Policy Forum.


I guess some people might consider him a turncoat.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:07 PM
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12. I don't know anyone who considers him a "turncoat"
I know some who consider him a self-important blogger.

I would argue that 99 percent of Americans have no idea who he is.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:13 PM
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15. " I would argue that 99 percent of Americans have no idea who he is."
If that were true, I imagine that is comforting for those who oppose his viewpoint and his work at Media Matters.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 04:07 PM
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16. You disagree?
I could be wrong - he may be more widely known than that.

I don't know anyone who opposes his viewpoint or his work at Media Matters.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:00 PM
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17. You made this statement:
"I would argue that 99 percent of Americans have no idea who he is."

That's a strong statement, and nothing to substantiate the argument. Considering his past work experience going back decades, I'm
not sure I understand why you believe that.




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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:26 PM
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18. Well, he doesn't even have a Wikipedia page
I don't know - I could be wrong about how well-known he is, but I get the sense that he isn't known at all.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:29 PM
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19. Israel Policy Forum
IPF Friday by MJ Rosenberg is distributed nationally and in the Middle East. It is regularly reprinted online and in major publications, such as the Jerusalem Post.<9>

Professionals

Nick Bunzl, Executive Director
MJ Rosenberg, Director of Policy Anyalsis
Thomas A. Dine, Policy Consultant
Roberta Fahn Schoffman, Jerusalem Consultant


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Policy_Forum


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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:49 PM
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20. Somebody needs to update that Wikipedia page as the info is incorrect
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 10:49 PM by oberliner
Mr. Rosenberg is the former Director of Policy Analysis for Israel Policy Forum, not the current one.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:50 AM
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21. lol, but he'll live on in their archives. n/t
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aranthus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:11 PM
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14. I didn't say turncoat, nor would I.
I just don't think his opinions are particularly well founded.
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