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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:46 AM Original message |
UK media monitor: Deir Yassin coverage trumps peace talks |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. article cont'd... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Deir Yassin Survivor claims incident was deliberately exaggerated |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Killing one is killing million |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. There's very good evidence Deir Yassin was exaggerated and unless you have good reason to question |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. No, actually...killing one is NOT killing a million. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
3. Here we go again........ |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Deleted message |
shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Is there anything factually inaccurate or logically inconsistent you can point to in this report? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The source isn't worth commenting on |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Brilliant. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Any non-biased sources for us? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. FAIL. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. So, no unbiased sources then |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Did you miss that claiming "bias" is a logical fallacy? |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Logic is a bunch of pretty flowers, that smell bad. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. Logic is just another Hasbara tool of the Zionists. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. There's no such thing as a completely unbiased source. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. except in this case not only was the source biased |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. But that's not what Tripmann is doing. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Lol the problem here is this |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. so your point is....? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. your "logical fallacy" of facts |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. It's an example - doesn't matter how accurate the example is so long as you get the point |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
30. The information in the wiki article is from a BBC interview of witnesses and survivors. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. you and your compatriot both seem to blithely ignore |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
29. What is camera? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Here is their site |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. Interesting that JPost would wait more than a week to publish this |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Cheers Az, |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. "Reputable source" is the fallacy of an appeal to authority |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. LOL!! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Educate yourself in logical fallacies. It's the opposite of your dismissal of all zionist/jewish |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Amazing how quick you change the focus of a thread YOU started |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Sources are irrelevant, whether "reputable" or not. Only the facts and merit of the arguments |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. well you have been shown the facts |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. If sources are SO irrelevant shira |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Huh? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. You're barking up the wrong tree my friend! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. She understands your arguments are mostly illogical and based on fallacies |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Correction: I said that this particular argument was false; nothing about 'mostly' one way or |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. 'Jewish or biased sources'? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Let me explain further LB |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. I strongly disagree that sources are irrelevant |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Even an antisemitic / antizionist source can be factually accurate or make a reasonable argument |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Irrational debating skills? LOL!! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. It's actually worse than that... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. So whats the real story here shira? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. You wanted to debate. I suggest you respond to my points first before I answer you in kind. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Screw it, here's your answer - but I'm still waiting on you to answer me from 2 posts up |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. No problem |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. By the way, you didn't actually answer the question |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. The real story is... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:50 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Get fucking real shira |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 06:04 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Stop being dishonest, see #61 |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. So basically, |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Honestly? Then you'd have no beef with far Rightwing rags and their agenda to stoke emotions? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Still no answer? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. answered in #55 (nt) |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You didn't answer it, and you know it. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 06:02 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I did answer it, so stop lying. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. So basically, |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. There shouldn't be any coverups |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 05:32 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Wrong shira |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Answer 2 questions honestly, please |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You accused a left wing newspaper of being a right-wing rag. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. It's not liberal WRT Israel |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. And still no mention of israel possibly covering up a massacre. Disgusting. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. It's disgusting you can't admit The Independent is disreputable WRT Israel |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Wrong |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. First, can you admit your "reputable" sources are anything but WRT Israel? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Its not my source shira |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Answer the question please. Is The Independent a reputable source on Israel... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. What do you mean "what you now know"? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Still no answer, why? Is the Independent reputable WRT Israel? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. So you condone the cover up of a possible massacre? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. No, there should be full disclosure ideally |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Show me where this anti israel bias is in the independent then. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I take it from a previous response of yours that you concede Robert Fisk is not credible |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Robert fisk is not the independent |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 05:02 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. You ignored the author of the OP's other article this week on another bogus story |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:12 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Here we go again |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 06:21 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. You credited Az with posting a "reputable" source on the topic |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. So, |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. so you're still evading the main point of the OP... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. The main point of the OP shira..... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:01 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. LOL. If active coverups of human rights violations against Palestinians really bothered you... |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #71 |
86. It is the same reason? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Israel has stated |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. I was replying to Shira |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. It's not just the al-Dura affair... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Humblest apologies whoisinpower! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-28-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. It could very well be the same reason |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Speculation |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. I blame any one who read jpost as a serious npaper |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
26. Thank God for Internet |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
33. Most of the British media is (as one would expect) far more preoccupied with Britain than Israel |
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