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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:16 PM
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Israel Expects Obama to Take Back ‘1967 Lines’ Demand
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was quick on the draw Thursday in voicing clear displeasure with President Barack Obama’s mideast policy speech.
“Israel appreciates President Obama’s commitment to peace,” the response began, curtly. “Israel believes that for peace to endure between Israelis and Palestinians, the viability of a Palestinian state cannot come at the expense of the viability of the one and only Jewish state.”

“That is why Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were overwhelmingly supported by both Houses of Congress.”

“Among other things,” Netanyahu reminded Obama, “those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major Israeli population centers in Judea and Samaria beyond those lines.”

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144338
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JonScholar Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:21 PM
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1. What a joke
The Israelis are already sitting on top of around 80 percent of historic palestine. Why is it so outrageous that the Palestinians have a state in 20% of their former land? I think these right wing nutters just need to shut up and piss off.
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King_David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:26 PM
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5. What's 'Historic Palestine'


Is that the same as Historic Judea or Historic Samaria or Greater Israel ?

What a Joke ha ha

:dunce:
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:45 PM
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6. Right on que...
:rofl:
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:16 AM
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11. that's cue, not que
and even if you still wanted to use the wrong homophone, it would be queue, not que

:)
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JonScholar Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:11 AM
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9. IIRC old Israel was something 1000 years ago
The Palestinians on the other hand, were living there right up until the 1940s when they were expelled by Zionist invaders. How are the two claims even comparable?
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 06:30 AM
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14. "Zionist invaders"?
Like the "white invaders" here on this continent??

To which tribe whom are you planning to deed your land?
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JonScholar Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 09:28 AM
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15. Yes, much like the extermination of native americans
Edited on Fri May-20-11 09:32 AM by JonScholar
I don't own any land so it would be impossible for me to deed it away, and I wouldn't ask anyone to deed it back now that the united states is established and the ethnic cleansing/ genocide of the native Americans is over and done with. Still, we should recognize what the Palestinians have come from. Were negotiating over 20% of what used to be theirs
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:16 AM
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17. Right, except Palestinians don't want their own state. They've rejected many offers the last 75 yrs
Edited on Fri May-20-11 10:17 AM by shira
They didn't even want a Palestinian state consisting of Gaza and the W.Bank until after 1967.

They don't want Israel around.

Maybe you should convince them Israel is around to stay and they should move on with their own state in peace, renounce terror, stop attacks, incitement, deligitimization attempts, etc...

Take an offer similar to the one from 2000 or 2008 and go on with life.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 07:03 PM
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20. He means the area formerly controlled by the Mandatory
Is that not obvious?

The joke is on somebody, but it's not on Jon.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:59 PM
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7. How far back do you go to determine who has the valid "historic" claim
Why is 1967 border any more valid than the original UN ones?
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JonScholar Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:15 AM
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10. They're not, they're just politically feasible
Ideally the Palestinians would be granted a right of return and there would be a one person one vote system like in post apartheid south Africa. It's just remarkable that the Palestinians have shown a willingness to relinquish 80% of their homeland and many Israeli still don't think it's enough
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:22 PM
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2. Netanyahu really needs to take a stick of dynamite and shove it where the sun don't shine.
And so do his supporters in Congress.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:22 PM
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3. Why do Democratic Presidents who truly want to broker a ME peace deal always end up having to deal
with f**king Bibi? I mean, really...uggh
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AmericaIsGreat Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:23 PM
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4. Awww shiiyet
Obama, you gonna let them talk to you like that?

Seriously though, this is going to be interesting to watch.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:07 AM
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8. It wasn't even a "demand". It was what the Administration wants to see.
They're just so damn touchy.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:18 AM
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12. Obama’s call for Israeli/Palestinian borders to be "based on 1967 lines" mirrors Bush/Clinton policy

See article on link below

Obama’s call for Israeli/Palestinian borders to be "based on the 1967 lines" mirrors Bush, Clinton policy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1137860



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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:50 AM
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19. Pretty much it does.
The most disturbing thing is that everybody seems to think it's new and novel.

I don't know. Might it be that they're just unable to remember more than a few days back--if those who forget history are doomed to repeat it, what about those who forget that there even might be a history? Might it be that they feel some need to claim that all good things can only come from Obama, or that everything prior to Obama was jahiliyya?

What *might* be new is placing the Palestinian and Israeli security and defensible border concerns on par. I think it's nearsighted: Israel has a set of border concerns. One concern may be Palestinian incursions and attacks; Israel and Palestine have differing histories for the basis of attacks and their frequency and occurrence. Mirroring this concern is Palestine's: Palestine would plausibly have to be concerned only incursions and attacks by Israel. However, Israel also has to worry about attacks from other state actors in the region, given its history; these aren't shared by Palestine, it seems unlikely to me that Egypt would invade and occupy Gaza for the sake of Gaza, to wipe out the Palestinian regime and make all the Palestinians return "home" to homes that they've never known. (That being more the Palestinian viewpoint--to have the Palestinians return "home" to homes they've never known.)
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 03:12 AM
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13. Let's End the Three Billion Dollar Subsidy
Three billion dollars is a lot of money to be giving away to people who demand that our president kowtow to them. Ending the no-questions-asked subsidy is one way to reassert who owes what to whom.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 09:35 AM
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16. Or what? nt
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:43 AM
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18. Or what? Netanyahu will cut off military aid to the US?
And stop supporting us in the UN?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 07:05 PM
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21. Maybe we'll take back the "aid" instead
Netanyahu is a coward and a bully. He was hated in my town.
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