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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 10:33 PM Original message |
Juan Cole: What lies Behind Netanyahu’s Bluster on ’1967 Borders |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. Excellent commentary by Prof. Cole, as always. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah Israel launched the 67 war but Egypt's Nasser pushed hard for war also. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Soviet Union and Germany were not at war in 1941. Technically Israel was still at war with its Arab |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Technically they were still at war in 1973 when Egypt invaded. Does that exonerate Egypt? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Egypt sure thought it did and so did her allies. |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. And what do you think? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I think starting wars is hardly ever justified. Not Egypt in 1973, not Israel in 1967, not the |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Egypt in 1967 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Egypt's blockade of 1967 was unprovoked. Not so much Gaza w/kassams fired prior. n/t |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Some people who disagree with you |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Nevertheless, Egypt had signed defense pacts with both Jordan and Syria, and closed the Straits of |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. None of this is relevant |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. I highly doubt this excuse will ever be abandoned: |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. It is more complex than that. The Palestinians did not have a state in Gaza and the West Bank in |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Did you even read the part of the text that was quoted |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:00 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. There was a partition by the U.N. in 1947 which was accepted by the Jews but not the Palestinians. |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Has nothing to do with the post-1967 occupied territories n/t |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Not true, because the 1948 War had not ended and still has not ended.. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. No it's not more complicated than that at all, what you're adding |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Cole's argument that you quoted is BS... |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Who is a hack? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Mr. Cole. That line from the paragraph you are citing is totally false. |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Apparently anyone who doesn't display sycophantic loyalty to the hasbara version of Israel's history |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. If facts matter, please explain Cole's sentence that I quoted. Thanks. n/t |
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JonScholar (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Why don't you just email Juan and ask him yourself? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:14 AM Response to Original message |
18. Another dud by Juan Cole. Hardly worth responding to, including the silly comments... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
21. Sigh. Israel was the aggressor in 1967, a surprise attack is a surprise attack. |
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