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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:59 PM
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McBusted: McDonald's manager admits speaking Arabic led to firing
Jonathan Cook | Electronic Intifada


Abeer Zinaty, the 20-year-old McDonald's employee in Israel who says she was fired by the world's biggest fastfood chain for breaking a ban on speaking Arabic in the workplace, has spoken to the Electronic Intifada of the circumstances surrounding her dismissal. Her account flatly contradicts claims by McDonald's head office in the United States that Zinaty's dismissal had nothing to do with her speaking Arabic. Considerable weight is added to her version of events by documents in the hands of the Electronic Intifada.

Senior McDonald's managers, both in America and Israel, who separately responded to protests over Zinaty's dismissal, offered starkly differing interpretations of the company's policy on the speaking of Arabic in the workplace. And the firm's subsequent claims - in the face of mounting bad publicity - that Zinaty was fired instead for a poor work record are apparently not supported by evidence that McDonald's ever initiated a disciplinary procedure against her or sent her letters of warning. They also fly in the face of the company's decision six months earlier to award her "Excellent Worker 2003".

"There had been some discussion that I was in line for promotion so when I got the call I was sure it was to offer me a more senior job in the company," she said. "I couldn't believe it when he said I was being fired. He told me there were several problems with my work but that the main thing was that I was talking too much Arabic."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:13 PM
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:37 PM
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2. Exactly.
n/t
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:47 PM
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3. in israel arabic is an official language along with hebrew
the girl is an israeli citizen
israel claims to be a free and democratic nation
and also claims that its arab citizens have full civil rights
israel furthur claims a moral superiority over its arab neighbors
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:14 PM
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4. And I guess a fast food worker getting fired refutes that, huh? LOL!
O8) :party: :toast: :bounce: :nopity: :boring: :beer: :hi: :dem: :kick: :donut:
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:45 PM
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6. why can't you just admit that it's wrong?
how difficult could it possibly be?

:shrug:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 09:07 PM
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8. why can't you just admit that it's no big deal
how difficult could it possibly be?

:shrug:
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 09:57 PM
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9. uh racism is a big deal
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:42 PM
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14. uh homicide bombing is a much bigger deal
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:50 PM
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16. wow
so you can't admit that racism is wrong, the reasoning is because homicide bombing is a bigger deal to you.

Amazing.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:58 PM
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17. Of course racism is wrong, AND a big deal.
ONE fast food worker being FIRED in an environment DRENCHED with the blood of innocents is NOT, no matter HOW the argument is framed.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:50 PM
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19. sorry
racism is always wrong and is a big deal.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 12:03 AM
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20. Why are you sorry? We agree on that.
:shrug:
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:35 AM
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21. well that wasn't so difficult was it?
:party:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:57 AM
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24. Both the firing and the genocide bombing are manifestations of racism.
I leave it as an exercise for the reader to assess which is worse, and by how much.
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 10:51 AM
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27. If a homicide bomber only kills himself, what do you call him?
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 09:06 PM
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40. what did that have to do with the discussion ??
:shrug:
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:10 PM
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10. If it were you being fired,
I'm sure it would matter more.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:43 PM
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15. It would matter to me - not necessarily to DU.
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 10:43 PM by Jim Sagle
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:40 PM
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5. That's why it's news
In a free and democratic nation, bad things like this make the news. Over in the West Bank or Gaza, things vastly worse than this happen. They just don't make the news. After all, Jews aren't even allowed to live there, much less work or even speak Hebrew.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:51 PM
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7. Jews aren't allowed to live in the West Bank and Gaza? n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 08:51 PM by Darranar
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:37 PM
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12. In the Palestinian areas
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 10:53 AM
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28. What are you talking about?
Israeli "settlers" -- some might call them land thieves or squatters live in the Palestinian areas.

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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:22 PM
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11. Then in a Democratic nation...
There should be safeguards to protect minorities from just such an abuse. (regardless of how things are done elsewhere - that is no excuse) Here in the states there is always appeal to the EEOC and civil suits.

Is there any such protection or recorse in Israel? I've asked before, but all I got was silence.

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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:38 PM
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13. Israel has a court system
And that is the method for appeal.

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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:40 PM
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18. That only is the case if a nation has anti-discrimination laws
What are the laws on this issue?
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 03:56 PM
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Apparently there are no laws banning this discrimination...
n/t
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 03:56 PM
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34. Apparently there are no laws banning this discrimination...
n/t
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:48 AM
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22. You will forgive me
If I do not find a 20 year old McDonald's employee speaking to Electronic Intifada particularly compelling. Perhaps her school newspaper thought the story too trivial?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 08:55 AM
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23. C'mon Hershel...
this is sooooo riveting...***yawn****

one wonders if an employee at a Saudi Arabia Mcdonalds
were were to speak hebrew what would happen...

I shudder at the thought.
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 09:01 AM
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25. Indeed
One can only wonder how this girl will ever find another career as night manager in charge of french fries. Oh, my.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 10:59 AM
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 03:44 PM
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32. There are other ways. Ever hear of Rosa Parks?
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 06:35 PM
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38. Last I had heard
The Israeli economy was in as dire straits as ours here in the states. If this is so, this young woman may have quite a hard time finding a replacement job. I would suppose as an Israeli citizen she will be elgible for unemployment or the welfare rolls, further draining money that could go to the Israeli war machine...IIRC, Israel is already having problems with funding public programs, is this not so?

So you see, although the plight of one girl may not concern you, she is symptimatic of the economic and discriminatory problems faced by a large number of Israeli citizens.
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 10:46 AM
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26. So, your solution is...
That Israel should emulate Saudi Arabia in everything they do...

Particularly discrimination?

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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 10:55 AM
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29. That Israel should emulate Saudi Arabia in everything they do...
Well, they both practice torture and carry out executions.

They both don't eat pork chops.

See, the Israelis have more in common with the Saudis than they think.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 03:42 PM
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31. I said what would happen. My post was deleted.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 03:56 PM
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33. .
:cry:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 04:04 PM
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35. Don't cry for me, Argentina. Cry for the truth. It was deleted, just as
Edited on Thu Mar-11-04 04:04 PM by Jim Sagle
surely as that poor innocent fry cook's job. :nopity:
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 04:07 PM
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36. your concern for victims of racism has been noted
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 04:04 AM
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41. Likewise.
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 06:18 PM
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37. That happens a lot in these parts...
Edited on Thu Mar-11-04 06:21 PM by PsychoDad
Deleted posts and such... :)
We do keep the mods busy.

A few of my truths have been deleted too...LOL

Welcome to the DOP Club ;) (Deleted Opinion Post)
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 07:11 PM
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39. As the New Agers say, your truth is your truth. Aummmm.
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calkooni Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 01:19 PM
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42. Seems like you're justifying racism....
Racism is unacceptable and a Big Deal, it's also the reason we have an "environment DRENCHED with the blood of innocents".....

Suicide bombings have absolutely nothing to do with firing this girl for speaking Arabic.

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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 02:24 PM
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43. The common thread is racism - the genocidal racism of suicide bombings as
opposed to the casual racism that led to the burger manufacturer's firing.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 02:35 PM
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 02:41 PM
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45. amazing, isn't it calkooni
stick around, cause you ain't seen nothin' yet...
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 02:59 PM
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47. Isn't that the truth
I didn't become a regular here until recently and sometimes this place sounds like Freerepublic.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 02:58 PM
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46. It's no twist, it's a straightforward look at the issue. Stick around,
you'll get used to it.

The phrase "casual racism" is meant to denote a racist interaction that leaves the victim unharmed physically (and I DON'T mean to slight the psychological damage). It's only "casual" when compared to the genocidal racism of a suicde bombing.

To argue that they're equal in degree is simply to argue that up is down.
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calkooni Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:32 PM
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48. You're digging your self into a hole
When you say "casual racism" you're implying it is acceptable.

Racism is unacceptable.....! Period...... You're turning the clock backwards many many years. That it isn't happening on our soil, doesn't make it anymore acceptable..

Suicide bombing have no place in this discussion, just as much as the Racist wall, the occupation of Palestinians territory, the killing of innocent civilians (as collateral Damage) with F-16's etc... we're discussing a ban on a language by a US company...

Try looking at the issue in terms of what would have happened in the US, for a more representative perspective.


95% of the time, racism is NON-PHYSICAL... the words "Casual Racism" very grossly slights the possible psychological damage that could result from non-physical racism.



Anyhow, after thinking about the ban on Arabic, It's probably justified if it helps deter suicide bombers from entering the work place. That's clearly not the intention here, since the suicide bomber will detonate once in......


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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:49 PM
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49. totally disagree with your last point
there is no justification for firing someone for speaking their language.
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calkooni Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 04:16 PM
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50. If there is a clear defined ......
......reasoning behind it, then yes it is justified.

like I said, in this case, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Rules change during times of war compared to peaceful times.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 04:26 PM
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51. I think you have contradicted yourself.
In a post above, you state that racism is unacceptable ... Period.

Now, you say that the "rules change during times of war".

This is not a contradiction?
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calkooni Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 04:56 PM
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52. I dug my self into a hole...
... can you blame me after all the above mind twisting distortions of facts...

There clearly isn't a justification for it, yes, unless it can stop suicide bombers. I must give the benifit of the doubt to Israeli citizens wanting to protect them selves.

I think that's what I wanted to say.

But in this case, it seems to be a purely racist decision with no justification.


During war, I have the right not to take prisoners and kill the enemy on site.

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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 05:34 PM
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55. I see digging, but not by me.
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 05:24 PM
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53. Seems to me...
That although I disagree with racism in any case, the suicide bomber's "genocidal racism" is much more randomly directed and distributied to whatever "colateral damage", as some like to say, is in the blast aera. The blast is very democratic in that it effects everyone... much less discriminating than a sniper's bullet or a firing.

Mind you, while there is a scale of differnce in the results, the motive for the act remains the same, Racism.

And racism, regardless of the scale of effect, should never be tolerated.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 05:32 PM
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54. Events differing by such magnitude should never be equated, either.
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