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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:46 PM
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PA calls on militants to return body parts of IDF troops
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/426159.html

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"The Palestinian Authority released a statement Tuesday evening calling on the militant groups and residents of the Gaza Strip who hold remains of the IDF troops to return the parts.


In the statement, released after a meeting of PA officials in Ramallah, the Palestinian leadership called on the groups to treat the bodies "according to Islamic law, and not to hurt Islamic values." The PA condemned the "criminal" IDF operation, but called on the militant groups not to "tarnish the image and values of the Palestinians.

Six Israel Defense Forces soldiers from the Givati Brigade's engineering company were killed in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday morning, when a bomb exploded under the armored personnel carrier (APC) in which they were travelling."

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"Israel approached the International Red Cross (IRC) to help retrieve the body parts, according to Israeli diplomatic sources. Red Cross spokesman Simon Schorno said the request was accepted, and Red Cross officials are in touch with Palestinian authorities."



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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:46 PM
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1. And here is Hamas showing off Israeli body parts...
Edited on Tue May-11-04 07:48 PM by drdon326
http://story.news.yahoo.com /news?tmpl=story&u=/040511/ids_photos_wl/r3425294303.jpg

someone remind me how israel is supposed to negotiate
with these "humanitarian poorly understood" people.

note cut and paste entire link.

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ex_jew Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:58 PM
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2. I also note the "weasel" Arafat has asked for people to behave humanely
Maybe you could try negotiating with him ?

P.S. Negotiation is based on common interests, not an assessment that your negotiating partner is every bit as decent as you are. Did the US negotiate with the USSR, killers of tens of millions ? Of course they did.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:40 AM
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5. Uhhh...yeah,right...he's a real prince...
tell me...was this before or after he told another bunch
of palestinian kids how great it is to become a martyr.

So, how do you feel about hamas parading around israeli
soldier body parts ??
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 06:34 AM
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6. War is bad, Hamas are fundies.
. Martyrs aren't necessarily suicide bombers.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:14 AM
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9. "War is bad", huh...
ergo, lets not blame the antics of hamas for desecrating dead bodies.

"Martyrs aren't necessarily suicide bombers.".true,but in this case..

THATS EXACTLY WHAT ARAFAT WAS TELLING THOSE KIDS !!
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:58 AM
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10. Citation for Arafat telling them to suicide bomb!?
Edited on Wed May-12-04 12:01 PM by Classical_Liberal
? I don't think what hamas does is proof that Palestinians are too evil to be negotiated with, which is a completely racist idea. I can picture Americans doing this to invaders. I can picture Israelis doing it too. Look at all the war crimes Sharon has committed.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:17 PM
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11. Unbelieveable...

Arafat tells kids to die on Int'l Children's Day


Israel Television Channel Two News correspondent Ehud Yaari showed a tape
this evening of the meeting Yasser Arafat held in Ramallah with children to
mark International Children's Day.

Arafat devoted his remarks to encouraging the children to be
"shahid" (die for the cause), noting that one shahid who dies for the sake
of Jerusalem has the power equal to 40 of the enemy dying.

Yaari noted that Arafat said nothing in his remarks about peace or
reconciliation.

Many in Israel do not expect anything Arafat says or does to have an impact
on the standing of Arafat's junior partner, Abu Mazen, vis-a-vis the
Americans. In fact, paradoxically, the more active Arafat is in calling for
terror and violence - and even organizing terror attacks, the more Abu Mazen
will be seen by the Bush team as a victim of Arafat who must be supported by
Israeli concessions so that one day he can finally dethrone Arafat (and in
the meantime to be treated with compassion - expected only to make some
statements and photo-opportunities).

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=17080


listen...dont expect any of the $ 3,000,000,000.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:39 PM
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:23 PM
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12. And I almost resent you putting words in my mouth..
" I don't think what hamas does is proof that Palestinians are too evil to be negotiated with"

Show me where i said that....what I did say is you DON'T NEGOTIATE
WITH TERRORISTS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS !!

Get it right.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:46 PM
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15. You assume Palestinians are all terrorists.
You assumed Arafat was calling for suicide bombing when according to your own citation he did no such thing. He just told the kids they should be willing to die for their country as if that is unusual for national leaders.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:47 AM
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16. Nope....
I assume palestinian TERRORISTS ARE TERRORISTS.I have posted many fine
palestinians who are revulsed at the terrorism perpetuated by the
murderous terrorist groups.

As for the weasel, he has repeatedly told children to
become "shahids"...his pa radio glorifies terrorists,he name streets ans sports teams for terrorists,his textbooks encourage anti-semitism and terrorism.

You wish people would read something else other than the truth. Arafat became a terrorist and will one day die the same.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:30 PM
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17. Jihad doesn't necessarily imply suicide attacks either
.

Your other claims are without citation in this thread.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:55 AM
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18. here are some "citations" for you.....
Palestinians naming soccer teams after terrorists.

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1181968.html

Naming streets after terrorists, also a reference to text books

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/critiques/Truth_versus_Terror.asp
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:06 AM
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19. Israel also names things after terrorists...
In fact, one of its first prime ministers was a terrorist....

Violet...
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 09:05 AM
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20. What is your point?
CL asked for citations on the material posted by drdon.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 09:12 AM
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22. He asked for citations of calls to do suicide bombings...
Which is not what you gave (apart from the fact that I'm sure CL would have preferred things from reliable sources and not mindless schlock from 'honest' reporting). And seeing both you and drdon seem to think it's terrible to have things named after terrorists, I thought it'd be timely to point out that if someone thinks it's terrible, they should think it's terrible no matter which side does it...

Violet...
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 09:09 AM
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21. Arafat isn't responsible for the naming of soccer teams
Edited on Sun May-16-04 09:11 AM by Classical_Liberal
and Palestinian children are probably reading old text books. It is a destitute society.
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ex_jew Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:52 AM
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8. How do I feel ?
I would prefer that the troops had not entered Gaza in the first place. That way they would still be alive, and there wouldn't be any frantic search for body parts.

So are you saying we must only negotiate with "real princes" ? Some might justifiably have trouble putting Sharon in that category.

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:03 AM
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3. Militants say they'll only return remains when IDF quits Zeitoun
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/426674.html

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"Palestinian militants who are holding the remains of the six Israeli soldiers killed in Tuesday's operation in Gaza City told Egyptian diplomats on Wednesday that they will only return the body parts to Israel when the Israel Defense Forces quits the Zeitoun neighborhood of the city.
The Egyptian diplomats began talks with the militants on Wednesday in an effort to get the soldiers' bodies back."

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"Meanwhile, the founder of the Islamic Movement in Israel, Sheikh Abdullah Nimr Darwish, said Wednesday the soldiers' bodies must be returned unconditionally."

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"They must hand the bodies over to Israeli authorities immediately, without conditions," Darwish said.

Just as Palestinians say there is no reason for Israel to "hold an entire nation under occupation," he said, there is no reason for militants to hold onto the bodies.

Darwish said religion was no excuse. "I don't think anyone is doing this in the name of Allah. This is for hatred, for revenge."






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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:26 AM
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4. Arafat's authority
For once Arafat has tried to be authoritative in a controversy. Will they listen to him? It seems not. Arafat fails the test.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 06:43 AM
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7. Arafat is silly for trying
Edited on Wed May-12-04 06:46 AM by Classical_Liberal
Security on the West Bank is Israel's problem. Why give Israel a foil when things go wrong?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:31 PM
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13.  Soldier remains to be returned
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1525933,00.html

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"An agreement was reached on Wednesday to return the remains of six soldiers killed in Gaza City a day earlier, an official from the Islamic Jihad group holding the body parts said.

"The agreement stipulates that Israel will pull out of Zeitun neighbourhood and will hand over the bodies of Palestinian martyrs they have been holding for years in exchange for the return of the soldiers' remains" Khader Habib said."

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"If Israel holds its promise, the agreement will be implemented tonight, if not the remains will to be handed back" he added.

The agreement was brokered by Egyptian mediators and Palestinian officials."
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