Israel seeks mass Gaza surrender

Israeli troops on a raid in southern Gaza have called for a mass surrender of male residents in part of the Rafah refugee camp.
Reports say army loudspeakers told males aged 16 or over in the Tel Sultan area to gather at a local school or risk demolition of their family homes.

Officials are quoted as saying they were after militants, not all males.

Troops stormed the camp on Tuesday, killing 20 people and confining residents without electrity or water.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3728495.stm

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and Sharon's carnage in the territories, these actions will inspire 'terrahists' for generations to come.

"They hate us for our freedoms' - load of bollocks.

The best thing we can do is put pressure on nonamerican government entitities, to put pressure on US and its Israeli Jr partner. The Quartet is already linking help with Iraq to the two state solution. They need to get alot more vocal right now.

Condoning suicide attacks on innocent civilians is totally without conscience. There is not reason for this, and there never will be an excuse for such attacks.

though the qualifier, what else do they have to fight with, changes it somewhat.

Israel has not used full force to quell the atrocities, either. Is Israeli blood cheaper to you, that 25 or 30 dead in a buss bombing has to be a response to this? As of now, we don't have any answers. The cause of the blasts that killed the civilians is unknown.

look at this article, for instance, and you will see that the readiness to condemn Israel is always before the facts are known.

. I think Israel's treatment of Palestinians is what is really cheapening life here. They take land from them, allow assaults on them to go unpunished, or with little punishment, then protest when some of them act irrationally. I don't believe Israel's version of facts because there are no indepenedent investigations. The likelyhood that Paletinians did this to their own people is pretty low. I want two real states(not Palestinian indian reservations). Israel is not working toward this goal. That is why there is such hostility toward it.

I don't think the solutions are easy, but Israel has been working toward disengaging Palestinians from Israel, and Israelis from the Palestinians.

The blasts could have been cause by Palestinians arms (bombs and explosives) being ignited, possibly by shrapnel from the missile attacks. What is necessary to know, is who placed the explosives in a vulnerable position and so near to the protesters.

sorry. I don't believe they are destroying their own houses or bombing themselves. If you wanted to claim a fuckup it would be more credible.

Although it is not outside the realm of possibility. They would love a new "Rachel Corrie" type extravaganza.

But do you condem Israeli attacks on civilians, mass 'collective punishment', etc?. Or do your rules of engagement only apply to the Palestinians. And on the same token, do you admit that Palestinian attacks on IDF troops (in the territories) are justified military strikes (ie: NOT terrorism).

on destroying each other.After Palestine who is
next on fatboys list who belongs in the
Hague with Arafat who doesn't give a shit about
his people and bush is fatboys lackey so, maybe the US, with all of our dual citizenships we
have who knows? Time will tell,,and they do have the Nukes to do
it. Reminds me of WWII we got our kindness and trade back in
spades twice over. I trust no one in todays governments.

Yes, I would condemn it. So far, I have not seen that that has been the case here. Many folks are quick to condemn when there is no solid information.

Civilians were not fired on, I know that much.

Who can fault the Palestinians if there is another suicide bombing?

It's one thing to understand suicide bombing. One can understand without approval.

To condone suicide bombing is quite a different matter. Palestinians are angry and have good reason to be. That does not excuse attacks on civilians.

Moreover, since we understand suicide bombing as an expression of Palestinian anger and frustration, then we must also understand Israeli anger at such tactics and the reaction to it. If we allow understanding to imply approval, then must we also approve of missile attacks that recklessly kill non-combatants and calls for ethnic cleansing?

Israelis and Palestinians alike have good reason to fear what the other might do them and good reason to resent it. However, to approve of anything that might be done in the name of that fear is to approve of the violence and injustice that most of us would like to see come to an end.

This is exactly what many have demanded. I hope that there will be a surrender, but I doubt it.

Not exactly a 'surrender' now, is it?

Those who are unarmed and not involved in terror have no need to surrender.

"The bloodshed (killing of protestors) came shortly after reports that thousands of Tel Sultan residents had complied with an Israeli demand that they surrender. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3728681.stm

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"goons"


I might just take as much offense to that as you would to a slur against Palestinians.

If you wish to slur the Palestinians, slur away.
Just be prepared to stand by it.