Palestinian Diplomacy

"You have to remember the target of the attack, a moving bus bringing families who had been praying at the Western Wall," said Dore Gold, a spokesman for the Israeli government. "It is important for people to understand that the children who died and were injured were specifically targeted by the suicide bomber who saw them," Gold said.

The Islamic militant group Hamas identified the attacker as a 29-year-old mosque preacher and father of two young children, ages two and three, from the West Bank city of Hebron.

diplomacy. Not American diplomacy, Bush diplomacy.

I don't know what is so hard to understand about that.

BUT NOT ANYMORE.

When crunch time came, abu stuck his head up his ass
and has done nothing.

:eyes:

since you dodged the previous time I asked you.

For the record:

do you support the palestinian terrorist attacks
on innocent people??

do you think these attacks on busses ,etc are
legitimate ??

I also think that in the grand scheme of things Hamas and their nihilistic, bus bombings are such a minor blip on the radar compared to Israel's state terrorism that they barely deserve a footnote in history.

I stand behind a man at Temple who still trembles when he recites the Kaddish during the Yiskor service (a service in remembrance of a lost relative).

I'm sure he would be comforted knowing you think the loss of his daughter is but a minor blip.

Such insensativity gives new meaning to all your posts both in the past and in the future.

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Yes, the occupation and the repression of the Palestinians is a horrible and despicable thing. However, so are the suicide bombings. They are not blips, nor are they minor in comparison to what the Israelis have done. To say so is insensitive to those innocent Israelis who have perished in despicable acts of terror like the Jerusalem bus bombing on Tuesday.

that in the weeks leading up to the attack more than 21 Palestinians, including children, were killed. None of that made headline news.

It's a horrible thing that happened but much more horrible is the holocaust of the Palestinian people.

CNN and Fox News played the most gruesome images in practically a loop once the story hit. A truely massive propaganda effort, casting all censorship of images aside.

Where was that loop when they sprayed the four-year old 'by accident'?

It demeans the usage of the word IMO. The Armenian, Jewish etc ones deserve it, this doesn't.

Ethnic cleansing is plenty strong enough, and more accurate. That, or "Kosovo without the TV cameras".

Most of us are, I assume, agreed, that the terrorist acts committed upon Israeli civilians are despicable and horrifying. But not only do the Palestinian people have to deal with the same horrors against them being committed by the Israeli army, they also have to deal with blatant theft of their land and razing of their farmlands. Not only do they, too, tremble in grievance at the loss of their loved ones, but in addition to these sufferings, they also are having their homes bulldozed and their entire society wrecked by the Israeli campaign of dispossession and ethnic cleansing. They still hold the keys to the homes that the Zionists threw them off of to make room for that marvelous State of Ethnic Purity, and they are told by so-called 'humanitarian' political pundits to give up their silly dream of having a right to return to those homes. So they continue to live in miserable conditions, while the sewage flows from Israeli settlements and into their backyards.

The point is that however awful and horrendous a tragedy it is for the families of the victims of Hamas terrorism, it really is far worse for the Palestinian family. This point does not belittle or demean in any way the suffering that Israelis go through due to the awful actions of Hamas fundamentalists.

have you figured out why anything sympathetic to the palestinian victims of israeli terrorism is 'anti-semitic'? I mean, come on, yes it's terrible the suffering israeli victims go through, but as Resistance stated, it's equally terrible to Palestinians.
So is it the fact that they are jews that makes their suffering more important, or the fact that they are palestinians that makes their suffering less important?

I'm interested in knowing wether the unpleasantly large majority of democrats are racist anti-palestinians, or just fucking brainwashed. The one thing we seem to share with republicans is a hatred of anyone who does not wholly support and condone israel's every action.
Worse, unlike republicans, i've seen few denials that palestinians also suffer terrorist attacks, so their excuse of pure ignorance of reality cannot be used...

I now await the many rabid accusations of anti-semitism that are sure to be levelled at me

the way I see it is that many Democrats have a huge blind spot when it comes to their political stance on the conflict in Palestine. How can they decry the actions of aggression going on in occupied Iraq, but then turn a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing taking place against the Palestinians? How can they talk about defending human rights on the one hand, then turn to give such blind support to Israel's vicious brutality in the occupied territories? Their loud talk of Democracy, Freedom and Justice stinks badly of hypocrisy due to their unwavering support for, and defense of, Israeli war crimes.

One problem is the tremendous power of the Israeli lobby. If a Democrat does dare to speak up in sympathy for the Palestinians, ...well, you see what happened to Cynthia McKinney don't you? Bye-bye political career. The ideological control is not to be underestimated.

The primary and familiar fear that Sharon draws on, the one that allows him to disguise all aggressive actions as defensive ones, is the fear that Israel's neighbours want to drive the Jews into the sea. The secondary fear Sharon manipulates is the fear among Jews in the diaspora that they will eventually be driven to seek a safe haven in Israel. This leads millions of Jews around the world, many of them sickened by Israeli aggression, to shut up and send their cheques, a down-payment on future sanctuary.

The equation is simple: the more fearful Jews are, the more powerful Sharon is. Elected on a platform of "peace through security", Sharon's administration could barely hide its delight at Le Pen's ascendancy, immediately calling on French Jews to pack their bags and come to the promised land. For Sharon, Jewish fear is a guarantee that his power will go unchecked, granting him the impunity needed to do the unthinkable: send troops into the Palestinian Authority's education ministry to steal and destroy records, bury children alive in their homes, block ambulances from getting to the dying, sabotage all international attempts to get at the truth of what happened in Jenin.

Jews outside Israel now find themselves in a tightening vice: the actions of the country that was supposed to ensure their future safety are making them less safe right now. Sharon is deliberately erasing distinctions between the terms "Jew" and "Israeli", claiming he is fighting not for Israeli territory but for the survival of the Jewish people. When anti-semitism rises at least partly as a result of his actions, it is Sharon who is positioned once again to collect the political dividends.

It works. Most Jews are so frightened that they are now willing to do anything to defend Israeli policies. So at my neighbourhood synagogue, where the humble facade was badly scarred by a suspicious fire recently, the sign on the door doesn't say, "Thanks for nothing, Sharon." It says, "Support Israel - now more than ever."

<<Keep reading for the rest of the answer >>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,690168,00.html

After all, I've seen many posts here where people make the opposite sort of claim that the deaths of Palestinian civilians are just a blip compared to the deaths of Israelis. You've never once spoken out against that. Also, trying to personalise what was said by making out that the deaths themselves are minor blips is not doing you any justice. The deaths of anyone, Palestinian or Israeli, is anything but a blip to their families, just like the deaths of Rwandans was a lot more to any surviving family members. But of course in the big scheme of things, the genocide in Rwanda was just a minor blip on the radar of world events...

Violet...

No one can even count how many Lebanese Israel bombed out of existence but Israel is still very, very, angry at Lebanon over a few dozens of Israeli's killed.

Almost anyone in the world can relate such tragedies. Have you "stood behind" that Palestinian father who had his young son deliberately shot by his side? Or the parents of the girl deliberately killed by that Israeli bulldozer driver? Palestinians are dying four to one against Israelis. Don't preach "sensativity" like you're the only one with it.

For not stating the fact that this gentleman's daughter was blown up for the crime of riding a bus in Jerusalem.

I am not sure whether you are a member of the spelling police or a member of the decency police, maybe you can explain the last comment in this particular post of yours.

quilp (877 posts) Mon Aug-04-03 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #102

106. Violet. This is the last post I shall make on this board.

Edited on Mon Aug-04-03 10:06 AM by quilp
Unfortunately you are about the only one who sees to understand what I am trying to say. I have had a number of my posts removed. Not for using bad language or being abusive, but for making "over-sweeping statements" and "steriotypical generalizations". Since they have been removed you cannot judge for yourself, and I would have valued that. I am trying to explore what a Palestinian might feel and think. Apparently that is more than some on this board are willing to confront. I would have liked very much to respond to your last paragraph. I will just make this statement and hope it is not censored. Hitler didn't begin where he ended.

I will know to dismiss everything I ever read from you from now on.

So now you blame Bush because Hamas is an organization of murderers? Well, I guess that is to be expected. Don't forget to blame him for Abbas being a knee jerk liar, and Arafat a swindler, and the fact that it's raining out, and .... Bush has so many real things to be condemmed for that a few things (and I mean a few) that are not his fault can be tacked on to the mess.

can be summed up by this from the debkafiles.com

experts predict that the coming ten to twelve days will see a lethal cycle of military and terror strikes, in readiness for which Israel goes into the weekend on extra-high alert for trouble. Israeli forcres will go all out for the Hamas leadership and its missile sites and manufacturing facilities in the Gaza Strip and West Bank. Hamas will try and make good on its vow to kill Israelis everywhere and carry out ever more lethal suicide attacks.

don't suppose it would be correspondingly tactful to use the Star of David as a ninja star-type weapon in a cartoon to symbolize the 95 Palestinian children killed/wounded since the so-called ceasefire began, but this cartoon gets a solid "semi-eh.." rating.

I must thank you, however, for introducing us all to yet another reactionary-rightwing blog network. Can never have too many of those around here.

anyone could see that :shrug:

Things happen in war, its about killing, you have to be
ruthless, etc. etc. etc. Only whiners complain.
:puke:

so that the American people won't ask themselves questions like this one

http://electronicintifada.net/v2images/nav/home/main. jpg (remove space)

After all, BILLIONS of dollars are at stake here.

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Loves these cartoons too.

That site is like LGF without the funny.

There's a reason why California doesn't have enough power plants, nor any other State in this great republic of ours. It's called environmentalism.

Yet we are to believe that, oh never mind.

Gotta go. Gonna go post a few Free Republic cartoons upstairs and see how 'progressive' they find it.

Thanks for introducing us to yet another right-wing site. Personally I prefer the cartoons from internationally recognized and respected Progressive & Left-wing Jewish/Israeli sites like Gush Shalom

http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/pics/wall. gif (remove space for a much more progressive and accurate cartoon brought to you by PROGRESSIVES)

The Only Democracy in the Middle East towards the end of the page is a great little Flash presentation. Bless the Israeli Left courageously standing up for truth, justice and the honor of their country as it gets dragged through the mud by Right-wing Likudokooks draping themselves and hiding their vile racism under an Israeli flag. No wonder the Durban talks had to be stopped at all costs.

"the oldest profession".....at DU.

When you dont like the messege , blame the
messenger.

constantly expose where you get all your 'progressive' ideas.

ideas that state Palestinians that blow up babies are freedom fighters and not terrorists??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=7064&mesg_id=7064#7775

Does it make any difference to you that this sort of view is constantly challenged and rejected in FA-I/P?

Nah course not. You go right ahead and pick some isolated post and paint as broad a brush stroke as you need, Eugene. :crazy:

challenging and rejecting that statement.

Eugene? Is that your idea of belittlement or something? How very odd.

about that myself.

I called you Eugene because picking an isolated statement and using it as a smear brush is a standard McCarthyite-style tactic. It is also utterly idiotic - I thought that was fairly obvious. You want to call it "odd", go right ahead.

Could you find support of that statement you mentioned? Yeah right, as if.

Tell me, what level of condemnation is required every time quilp posts? I've done it twice and consider it pointless since 99% of people here obviously agree, since they aren't posting any aggreement whatsoever with that poster. Didn't see those? Like I said, take lessons.

BTW, let me project: I guess the silence is "telling"?

Don't bother with a response.

thats funny.

you do know who "EUGENE McCarthy " is ??

Very, very whoops.

"It is dangerous ... to say things that people might remember"

That'll teach me not to post after several beers.

Because the same thing came up in a very recent thread that clocked in at over 300 posts, that sort of statement was challenged and rejected. I won't give you a link given yr obvious habit of bookmarking that sort of stuff, but I'm disgusted that you try to smear anyone here who doesn't blindly defend everything Israel does with the same brush...

Violet...

The second oldest is completely ignoring that which doesn't fit your carefully crafted paradigm.

You don't "negotiate" with an occupying people. You drive them out by any means you can. And if you think an Israeli hit by a bomb looks any different than a Palestinian hit by a bomb; let me assure you. They Don't. That cartoon is the cheapest form of propaganda known. Except, of course, to actual victims. Palestinian or Israeli.

"while they're still able to" shows you know very well the Palestinians cannot "negotiate. Actually you don't mean "negotiate": You mean "capitulate". At least we understand each other, and I'm not reading a bunch of insulting junk about Israeli "morality" or "humanity".

is an oxymoron.

n/t

;-)