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vierundzwanzig Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 06:14 PM
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A land without Arabs
Israel's policy of land grab turns viable neighbourhoods into ghost towns. Jerry Levin* writes from Hebron

Every time my wife and I leave Palestine and Israel and head for home -- when our visas are about to run out -- we hope that things won't get worse here while we are back in the United States; but sadly we know they will. And, sure enough, they do.

Similarly, when we come back from the US after travelling to cities and towns talking and writing about the seriously deteriorating security situation in Palestine, we hope that things won't get worse once we get back to the territories; but sadly we know they will.

And they do.

Trying to characterise what happened here this past winter and spring, a Palestinian friend said, "While you were gone, this was a time of sadness."

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/652/re1.htm
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 06:54 PM
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1. I simply cannot understand why this country
and government have such a hard time understanding how the policies and actions of the current Israeli government toward the Palestinians, especially in regard to the illegal and immoral settlements, is devastating to the Palestinians and just how wrong it is. Until we deal with Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, there will never be an end to terrorism. As long as there are dispossessed, landless, jobless, brutally oppressed Palestinians who see no hope of any kind of future at all, and as long as the settlements keep taking away their land and livelihoods, water supplies, etc., and as long as no one gives a damn and believes Israel can do no wrong, there will be terrorism.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 07:04 PM
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2. it's like a mob boss..
that retains a hit man who likes to molest children.

It's not that the mob boss has any interest in molesting children, he just overlooks the deviant behaviour because he is useful as an attack dog.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 07:13 PM
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3. That's an interesting analogy, and
probably as good an explanation as any!
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ex_jew Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 09:20 PM
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5. I see Israel as something like the Taliban
except on a MUCH larger scale. We financed them as a way of bringing grief to others (although I'm not sure why). But now that they have subdued their enemies in the Arab world (comparable to driving the Russians from Afghanistan), we can no longer control them. Fervent religiosity, which made them useful initially, now is leading them in a much different direction than staid old America.
However this ends, I think it will make people forget about 9/11 in a hurry.
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cantwealljustgetalong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 11:30 PM
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14. don't be so kind...they don't deserve your tolerance...
they are worse than the Taliban and then some...

(just clarify something for me - when and how exactly did fervent religiosity cum Taliban make Israel useful initially?)
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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 01:02 PM
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9. in essence
Edited on Mon Aug-25-03 01:04 PM by QuietStorm

it is that "leash effect" you mentioned in another thread. The length of the leash serves the Don.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-03 07:19 PM
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4. It's simple
Palestinians are not viewed as human beings. They are the "other".
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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 12:59 PM
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7. that and
Edited on Mon Aug-25-03 01:04 PM by QuietStorm

it seems to be a land without arabs, for the fanatic fringe on the other side of the coin, is indeed the aim. All the rhetoric is just diversion. The ignorance of that aim, is support of that aim wholeheartedly, and justifies it right or wrong.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 01:54 AM
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6. I agree with you
Could it be that the people in power in the US pretend to be blind because they need the votes of the American Jews? They can't open their eyes because if they did they'd see what you and I and the whole world see. Everybody thinks Bush is the most powerful in the world but I think Sharon is more powerful than Bush.

There will be terrorism until the end of time. Especially with some leaders acting the way they do, and the greed and exploitation going on all over the world.
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cantwealljustgetalong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 11:38 PM
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15. "Sharon is more powerful than Bush" because...
while bush is president of the superpower, sharon is it's king...


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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 01:01 PM
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8. it does not serve some to bother to understand

it would mean giving up the justifications, and it would mean too opening up cans best left to a final status put off infinitum, so as that status will never be arrived upon. In word - denial.
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estherc Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:06 PM
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10. Look how much of the world is more or less free of Jews
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 09:07 PM by estherc
Comparison of the size of Israel vs. the Arab World The map includes the occupied territories as part of Israel but other than that, it gives the general idea.

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muffit Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:37 PM
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11. What is your point there
There are Jews living all around the world, I am sure you will probably find them in most of the countries on your map.

I could post a world map with only Australia coroured and say "Look at how much of the world has basically no Australian's, but really what does it show or mean ?"

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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 10:07 PM
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12. HAHAHAHA
Plenty of Jews here in NY. Maybe you mean Israelis?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 10:19 PM
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13. With all due respect Esther ...
I don't want a World more or less free of Jews.
Jews are a fine people, they have produced some of the
greatest acheivements of the human mind, and they make
great friends, witty and intelligent and well read.
Why should they have to hide in some corner?
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