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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 08:52 PM
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IOF Wounds a Little Girl in Khan Younis
IOF Wounds a Little Girl in Khan Younis, Arrests Locals in Balata Refugee Camp

Israeli occupation forces (IOF) shot and wounded a Palestinian girl in the southern Gaza Strip city of Khan Younis, IPC correspondent said.

An 11 year-old girl Mariam Laham, was wounded in her leg as Israeli soldiers, stationed at the illegitimate Jewish settlement of “Neve Dekalim” as well as those, manning Al tufah military checkpoint, west of Khan Younis, opened a burst of fire towards the civilians’ houses in the nearby Palestinian neighborhood of “Batan Al Samein”, local hospital sources told IPC correspondent.

Also, Israeli troops opened a hail of their machine guns fire, abruptly and randomly, at a number of Palestinian farmers, bending down in labor, in the ”Qizan Al Najar” area , south east of khan Younis city as, eyewitnesses said.

Meanwhile, IOF stormed toady morning the neighborhood of Tal Al Sultan in Rafah City, south of Gaza Strip and opened fire at citizens' properties, damaging a number of houses and the main power transformer, causing a complete power cut -off, local sources told IPC.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 08:55 PM
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1. The IDF (note the D)...
has reason to be nervous. Unfortunately, this nervousness leads to ignorance of human rights and respect towards their fellow human beings.
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LogicTrueFalse Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:00 PM
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2. Certainly no editing bias in that report now is there
That overboard piece of amature bias against Israel isn't worth the words needed to shoot it down. That was the most disgusting hate piece
I have seen in a long time.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:01 PM
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3. yeah
I have a problem with the IDF shooting little girls too
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:03 PM
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4. HATE piece?
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 09:05 PM by Darranar
Criticizing the IDf for shooting a little girl is a hate piece? Criticizing the IDF for uprooting olive trees is a hate piece?

I guess criticizing Bush's anti-humanitarian slaughter in Iraq is ha hate piece against America, too, by your logic.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:07 PM
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6. it's
a Palestinian site
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:09 PM
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8. it's
a Palestinian girl
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:12 PM
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9. Another i.p.c. "GREAT MOMENT IN JOURNALISM"
IPC=INSANE PROPAGANDA CRAP
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:15 PM
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10. WHAT exactly do you consider...
inside the article to be INSANE PROPAGANDA CRAP? That it actually matters when a Palestinian is shot?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:19 PM
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12. LOL
"Local hospital sources...."
"eyewitnesses...."
"local sources...."

if thats your idea of journalism, i bet your tv
is permanently on FOX NEWS.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:22 PM
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14. yeah Darranar
can't trust those "local" sources (remember they must be Arabs)
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:22 PM
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15. What ELSE do you look at?
The IDF report?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:31 PM
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18. It Would Be Interesting To See An I.D.F. Report On These Incidents, Sir
In account like this, it can be expected that any reason for shooting by the soldiers will have been left out, and there may have been one. It would also be interesting to have basic information like the distance of the poor girl from the check-point. It is unlikely she was knowing taken as a target, and her position when struck might well demonstrate that unlikelihood.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:35 PM
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20. That's true...
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 09:36 PM by Darranar
I concede that point. But ignoring eyewitness accounts completely is plain stupid.

I don't know the details, but, like you, I view it as entirely possible that the shooting was an accident. It probably, however, could have been prevented with thought and care on behalf of teh Israeli commanders there and the soldier himself.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:49 PM
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22. Quite Possibly, Sir
Fire discipline may well have been poor, and one of the great hazards of occupation duty to an army is a sort of moral rot that sets in among the soldiery: it does not seem to me the Israeli forces take sufficient steps against this.

Accounts like the above are useful, in a historical sense, as providing some information that might not otherwise see any circulation at all, and as reflecting a point of view from one side of a conflict. As with all one-sided accounts, however, are best weighed against the view from other perspectives.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:53 PM
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24. Those articles from the other perspective...
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 09:54 PM by Darranar
on cases like these seem to believe that these deaths and shootings are justified because of Israel's need for security. They say that all harm to innocent Palestinians is due to accidents, when it is unrealistic, from the pure point of probability, to believe that.

Yes, perhaps this was an accident. There is a chance that every innocent civilian killed or wounded in the entire conflict on the Palestinian side was killed or wounded in an accident. The chance, however, is apporximately equal to that of every member of the Bush Administration simultaneously commiting suicide.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 10:13 PM
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25. Even In Real Battle, Sir
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 10:15 PM by The Magistrate
On most of the occassions when someone is struck by a bullet it is an accident. Generally thousands of rounds are fired for every one that hits something. In these instances, mis-identification, someone's proximity to a legitimate target, and the sheer random cussedness of this world do seem to account for an overwhelming proportion of the casualties. Better training and discipline, and serious prosecution of instances where deliberate targeting, or obvious negligence, seem to be the cause, could reduce the toll somewhat. The Israeli forces clearly do not do enough of the latter.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 10:17 PM
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26. Well, yes...
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 10:20 PM by Darranar
but there are cases when innocents are deliberately targeted by both sides.

Children shot in the head by members of the IDF, especially close up, were very likely targeted on purpose.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:33 PM
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19. LGF
what else?
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:50 PM
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23. Gamla
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LogicTrueFalse Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:07 PM
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5. "local sources told IPC"
Nuff said.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:21 PM
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13. "independent source for biased news"
Do you read your own stuff? :crazy:
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:24 PM
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16. Allow me to interpret for Newyorican......
"Welcome to i/p !!"
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LogicTrueFalse Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:26 PM
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17. I should ask the same
I read it before I wrote it and any transcription errors are my own.

The odds of a missile targeting system malfunctioning is greater than my
misreading that which I write.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:41 PM
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21. "missle targeting system malfunctioning..."
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 10:00 PM by newyorican
cue the Twilight Zone music.... :eyes:
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