Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Arafat upstages Abbas

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine Donate to DU
 
QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:31 AM
Original message
Arafat upstages Abbas
SNIP

On Wednesday, Palestinian President Yasser Arafat publicly stated his willingness to strike at Hamas and other radical militant groups if Israel were to halt its targeted killings of their leaders and militants. Israel has already made clear the idea is a non-starter. No surprise here, but what is interesting is Mr Arafat's effort to return to centre stage.

Remember Yasser Arafat? You might be forgiven for having to search your memory; he has not been in the spotlight recently. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon managed to convince the United States and, to a lesser extent, the European Union, that Mr Arafat was part of the problem and not the solution. He had to be sidelined by all means. He was declared "irrelevant".

Out of circulation
They undertook to bring about a peaceful resolution of the conflict, through the road map.

But these hopes have died in the flames of renewed violence, from Israel's targeted killings of Islamist leaders to the vicious Hamas terror attack on a Jerusalem bus. Now, for Israel, a ceasefire will no longer do. It wants Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other radical organizations effectively destroyed. But under Mahmud Abbas and Mohammad Dahlan, Palestinian daily suffering has hardly diminished. So they lack the political strength to embark upon such a confrontation.

http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/pal030828.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:52 AM
Response to Original message
1. I'm starting to wonder whether the PA is toast.
What do they have left in the way of resources and/or credibility?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vierundzwanzig Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I am not sure
that the lack of resources is the reason. There are a variety of factions in the PA and, when it comes down to it, they cannot agree.

There are some that continue to support armed struggle, those that cannot condone a concept of Palestinian against Palestinian and those that believe in the demilitarization of the individual groups.

Unfortunately it is hard to take positions, since people like Sharon plain cannot be trusted to sincerely pursue peace efforts. There is considerable mistrust and the perception that all he wants is the PA to do his dirty work, only to continue his policies of disenfranchisement, landgrab and dehumanization.

When it comes down to it the situation is a catch-22 either way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. You Are Correct, Sir
It is the factionation of authority which is key to the difficulty. No one official has the authority to say do this, and expect the others will follow the directive. This structural defect is unfortunate: in one form or another it has dogged the cause of Arab Palestine throughout this conflict, even in the days of the Mandate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. All relevant points.
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 02:46 PM by bemildred
I was thinking more in terms of damage to
political support in the population at large.
Political power very much derives from political
organization and services rendered to the population.
I was wondering what the results of a new (honest) election
would be.

Edit: the lack of unity you noted, which is really lack of
political power - for political power is precisely the
expectation of being obeyed, is certainly part of the
issue I raised.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Yes...
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 02:46 PM by Darranar
all political support for the PA, both among the Palestinians and outside from the Palestinians, seems to be evaporating, aside from support for a small number of people like Abbas who don't really have that much power.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. In A New Election, My Friend
Votes would probably follow clan affiliations and patronage, as before: among the reasons for Arafat's continued pre-eminence is that he is a scion of the al'Husseinis. This pattern might be blurred a little if Hamas was able to field candidates, as Islamicist feelings doubtless motivate many among the people, and for better or worse, at the present time, that group is seen as most effectively taking the fight to the enemy.

My point about factionation, though, goes beyond the phenomenon you reference, which is indeed a real one. Such disorder is endemic to a social pattern where kinship remains the organizing principle: within the clan or tribe, after all, authority is absolute, and obedience can be reliably expected. The problem comes when differeng kins must cooperate, and neither accepts the authority of the other. Unity in such societies has only been secured throughout history by some over-arching figure, possessed not only of tremendous charisma but a ruthless energy and great good fortune in enterprises, sufficient to attach to his own person the essentially voluntary allegiance of all the kin groups. No such figure has yet emerged in this one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Thank you.
That seems consistent. I was thinking esp. of Hamas.
The strength of tribal and clan affiliations would
work against the development of modern forms of political
power. I suppose one could say not much has changed (yet).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 10th 2024, 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC