MIHOPers: Explain other major terrorist attacks

Ignacio Upton

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Tue Dec-05-06 03:38 AM
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MIHOPers: Explain other major terrorist attacks

Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 03:40 AM by Ignacio Upton

You talk about how 9/11 was conducted by the administration and say how the real CT is that a guy on kidney dialysis with hijackers armed with box cutters couldn't have possibly pull off such an event. Ok...but if there is no Al Qaida, then how to you explain the other terrorist attacks, both before and after 9/11. Clinton was in office when the WTC was hit in 1993, during the 1998 embassy bombings, the 1995 bojinka plot, and the 1999 millenium plot, and the 2000 attack on the USS Cole. Post-9/11, the three biggest attacks that do not include fighting in Afghanistan or insurgents in Iraq, are the 2002 attack in Bali, the 2004 Madrid train bombing, and the 2005 London subway and bus bombings.

Are you going to suggest to me that those events were ALL MIHOP? Were the embassies blown up with CD and thermite too? What about Sheikh Abdel Rahman? What about the terrorists in Indonesia?

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Tim Howells

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Tue Dec-05-06 04:05 AM
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1. Good question - here's a place to start

... for some historical perspective on this question.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_277.shtml

How our governments use terrorism to control us
By Tim Howells
Online Journal Contributing Writer
Nov 28, 2005, 13:55

The sponsorship of terrorism by western governments, targeting their own populations, has been a taboo subject. Although major scandals have received cursory coverage in the media, the subject has been allowed to immediately disappear without discussion or investigation. Therefore the appearance this year of two major studies of this subject is a welcome breakthrough, and provides essential reading for anyone struggling to understand the events of September 11, 2001 and the post September 11 world.

The studies are complementary. NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe by Daniele Ganser concerns terrorism sponsored by American and British intelligence in Western Europe and Turkey between the end of World War II and 1985. The War on Truth, 9/11, Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed chronicles the cultivation and sponsorship of militant Islamic terrorism by the intelligence services of the United States, Britain and Russia from 1979 to the present. Both studies are models of scholarship -- meticulously documented and carefully reasoned -- but the world they reveal will boggle the mind of the most wild-eyed conspiracy theorist.

... More at link:
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_277.shtml

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mhatrw

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Tue Dec-05-06 05:52 AM
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2. Al Qaeda terror act = any terrorist act sophisticated enough to have

all the earmarks of state sponsorship.

Al Qaeda is not so much an organization as a Western intelligence construct. If an act of terrorism against the US, Australia or Britain is so spectacular and devastating that you might otherwise suspect state sponsorship, then it's always al Qaeda unless and until proven otherwise.

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HamdenRice

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Tue Dec-05-06 07:28 AM
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3. A question utterly bereft of logic

Here's an analogy of the (il)logic of your question. It has been scientifically demonstrated that it is possible to cause rain clouds to produce rain by seeding them with dry ice and other substrates.

There are actually companies that perform this service and have some success in causing rain.

Your question: so if you think that this particular company, let's say Acme Rain Seeding Co., caused it to rain in Kansas on a certain day, how do you explain the fact that it is raining in New York today? Are all rain storms caused by Acme Rain Seeding Co?

It would be utterly pointless to a government to use false flag terrorism if terrorism did not in fact already exist. They did not make up the phenomenon of terrorism; they exploited its existence.

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savemefromdumbya

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Tue Dec-05-06 11:26 AM
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5. hiring patsies

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rman

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Thu Dec-07-06 04:51 AM
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8. but how do you know that "terrorism does in fact already exist"?

I seriously think that if it wasn't for creating the right circumstances (oppression and exploitation), financing, training, supporting, and performing so-called terrorism by elements within govt agencies and the corporate world, we wouldn't have nearly as much terrorism as we have now.

You're not buying into the "they hate us for our freedoms" explanation for terrorism, are you? 'We' cause terrorism (by far most of it for sure) if by no other means than by creating the right circumstances for it.

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Bushwick Bill

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Tue Dec-05-06 09:00 AM
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4. Well...

Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 09:08 AM by Bushwick Bill

There is a ton out there on OK City and the first WTC bombing, all you have to do is look around.

Even Beslan is now being looked at as a false flag job, as speculation has arisen that Litvinenko could blow the lid off of it.

I have never seen any inside job explanations for the Cole.

This movie touches on London a little bit and is the best introduction to the history of government sponsored terrorism.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5792753647750188322&q=Terrorstorm+Alex+Jones&hl=en

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beth9999

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Wed Dec-06-06 02:14 PM
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6. Very simple...

... you are assuming that there is no Al-Quida (that's one of the premises of your question).

However, there is an al-Quida. It's very real. However, it is bankrolled and funded by the Repugs. In short, the Repugs are directly or indirectly responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing, 9/11, the Cole, the Madrid and London bombings and probably many others.

Did AQ act independently on some of them? Probably. But for the most part, they are a front for the Repugs.

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rman

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Thu Dec-07-06 04:42 AM
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7. CT does not mean "no Al Qaeda"

Still i think most attacks ascribed to muslim terrorists are either instigated by elements within the intel agencies or actually performed by operatives working for those elements.

Some of the often cited examples of MIHOP/LIHOP false flag ops/ self-inflicted wounds involving government agencies:
The Maine
Pearl Harbor
Gulf of Tonkin
Reichstag fire
the Kennedy assassinations
and as of recently: Russia 1999 bombings

What about terrorism in Indonesia:

Censored: Inside Indonesia's War on Terror
SBS Dateline (Australian television)
http://www.chomskytorrents.org/TorrentDetails.php?TorrentID=1422
This must watch report includes extracts from an interview with the former President of Indonesia and points to the involvement of the Indonesian Military Intelligence and Police in the 2002 Bali bombing.
Dateline normally archives and has available to download all transcripts/videos of their programs. This one - if rumors were correct - was taken down under pressure from ASIO (Australian Security and Intelligence Organization) the day after it was broadcast, but it's been saved after 8 months of censorship here. This report reveals the truth of how modern terrorism is conducted today, and this is almost certainly why it was suppressed as soon as it was broadcast.

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