Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11

Official Account of 9/11: “Impossible”, “A Bunch of Hogwash”, “Total B.S.”, “Ludicrous”, “A Well-Organized Cover-up”, “A White-Washed Farce”

January 14, 2008 – Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government’s story. The officers’ statements appear below, listed alphabetically.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_080112_twenty_five_u_s__mil.htm

That's 25 out of how many "U.S. military officers" in existence? Please keep publishing these embarrassing numbers.

Old news. Stubblebine is a proven lunatic, Kwiatkowski really is an intellectual lightweight (I've exchanged emails with her - she has nothing but the "show me plane parts at the Pentagon!" argument), and the others are nothing more than the usual mish-mash of idiots.

I've said this before and it bears stating again - the military, just like regular society, has its fair share of lunatics and idiots. Simply saying "So-and-so, a US Military person, questions this or that!" as if the fact they are military gives them some sort of protection from being accused of being an idiot does not cut it.

Not true. Military or not, idiots are idiots, regardless of their occupation.

Its funny to see these same Hero's paraded forth, though, as if their background lends them some inoculation from stupidity.

...Stubblebine has finally figured out how to walk through walls?

Randi's quite open about being a magician. It astounds me that anyone faults him for this, since he was instrumental in exposing a real charlatan like Uri Gellar, who pretended that his spoon bending was a mystical power.

just sayin'...

the hand is quicker than the eye...

A magician could be a con artist. But a stage magician doesn't actually pretend to be doing anything but fooling you. Even David Copperfield, at the end of the day, would say that it's all sleight of hand and misdirection.

Con artists use that ability to fool to get things from people, like Uri Gellar did.

Magicians like Randi use that ability to show people how easily they can be fooled so that they're skeptical about people like Gellar.

BIG difference.

...that's why Randi made a career out of exposing frauds who claim supernatural powers - UNLIKE stage magicians who entertain people with illusions.

David Copperfield et al. are "illusionists" and they say so.

This guy, on the other hand...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4780514592678474423

One of the reasons that scientists at Stanford were taken in by Uri Geller's foolishness is that scientists are not used to the idea of observing things that are intentionally trying to fool them. Professional illusionists, however, ARE experts in deception, and are thus useful adjuncts to investigations of that sort of thing, because they know a lot of trade secrets.

But I can never understand the comments about James Randi that come up in the DUngeon. Attributing to Randi everything that goes on in the discussions at JREF is about as intelligent an analysis as suggesting that "Disciples of Skinner" are posting one or another thing at DU.

In any event, among other things, General Stubblebine is a believer in psychic spoon bending, so hopefully we can arrange the footwear to the appropriate feet.

Ghost, you stepped in it.

Take a look at General Albert Stubblebine at 7:20 in this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6708686897899858973

If you think spoon bending is silly, then what do you make of Stubblebine's belief that cutlery can be bent with mental powers, that people can walk through walls, and that you can kill goats by staring at them?

I was just playing off of your 'walking thru walls' comment..

...but he does believe in psychic spoon bending.

I was very much into that kind of stuff many years ago. Stubblebine was very much tied into the clique from Stanford that was suckered in by Uri Geller.

Some of these "advanced concept" military intelligence people spent a wee bit too much time in the LSD testing programs. While I'd be the first person to agree that the change of perspective one can gain from these sorts of things can be valuable to some people, spending too much time at that particular well isn't necessarily the best thing for everyone, either.

"former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine"

Or did they just start calling him a lunatic when he spoke out against the 9-11 bullshit story?

You know what remote sensing is? Psychics sitting around, divining what Khrushchev was doing. That was Stubblebine's baby.

Maybe you should dig into people's history before you malign or defend them. Just saying.

:shrug:

You don't believe in psychic abilities?

If psychic powers were real, they could be demonstrated and proven to be true. This would have been done a long time ago, and the James Randi Educational Foundation would be short a million dollars by now.

Hasn't happened. I doubt it will ever happen. There is no Santa Claus, and there are no psychic powers.

:rofl:

Sorry, I couldn't resist... but to get back on track here...

I've had personal experiences with psychic phenomenon before. Just because something isn't well documented, doesn't mean it isn't true or didn't happen.

Because that's what Stubblebine claims to be.

I've learned to depend on myself, and pay attention to my instincts and intuition. It's kept me alive in a few tricky situations before. Putting your faith, and your fate, in the hands of others can get you killed.

...after watching the videos of him - having nothing to do with 9/11.

You might also see what you find about Lt. Col. Robert Bowman - again, independent of anything about 9/11 - and apply some intuition to that.

I didn't watch the video because I'm on dialup and it takes forever and a day to download & watch... so I haven't *read* anything about the 'walking thru walls' stuff yet...

What I *have* read so far didn't seem *too* whacky, and hey... one man's 'whacky' is another man's "hmmm, I wonder if..."... I mean hey, who woulda thunk you could build a multi-ton vessel and make it float on water or fly thru the air like a bird?

I also don't discount people as "kooks, nuts or lunatics" because they believe in paranormal activities and/or UFOs. I've had experiences that I can't explain with both...

she dumped me before we met.

Seriously.... :rofl:

I wonder if JeffR gives DUzy Awards from the 9-11 Dungeon?

It's his joke. My tagline on my business e-mail reads, "I plan on living forever...so far, so good!" (another Wright joke).

Is a DUzy a good or bad thing?

As for the Duzy Awards... one of our members posts them every week on Friday evening. It's a compilation of funny replies throughout the week.

Check them out here--- this is last weeks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3237289

:hi:

Perhaps our scientists have not figured out a way to prove what they cannot "see". Just because these "powers" can't be proven given the current scientific paradigm, does not mean that psychic abilities do not exist.

For instance, who among us has not had the experience of thinking of someone, and then having that someone call us? A simple example, but, at the same time, one that happens to most of us.

As I said, Bolo, "food for thought". I am not knocking what you said in the post I am responding to.

how many times have you thought someone was going to call you and they didn't?


My dear, sweet mom is always pointing to the winner of the lottery and noting, "he/she just KNEW she was going to win!". Of course, what she's forgetting is the far larger number of people who just knew THEY were going to win and didn't. Same thinking. Things are not always what they seem and our minds play all kind of tricks on us.

How many people do you think about in a day?

What would be surprising is thinking of someone you don't know personally and that person calling you.

Any phenomenon in the physical world can be measured and can be tested. If psychic phenomena is real, it is physical and it can be measured and tested. When it is tested stringently, psychic abilities always fail -- or rather, what happens is simple and pure chance.

There was a recent study concluded on astrology - following people born at the same time for years of their life. Astrology proved to be worthless in determining the run of their lives.

Science can test anything that happens in the real world. I have no doubt that people who believe in psychic powers (and even most who think they possess them) are sincere in their beliefs. But they are fooling themselves. We talk about confirmation bias a lot down here, and this is one of the best examples of that.

If you like the video of Stubblebine talking about bending spoons with mental power then you LOVE this "very sane" man talking about how he kept trying to "merge his atoms" with a wall in order to walk through it:

Start at a little after one minute into this one for Stubblebine Gold:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4129139425198673291

Yes, he is a flaming loon, and that has nothing to do with 9/11.

And if you like Stubblebine, stay on that video for Lt. Col. Jim Channon.

that is a lot of people. I mean, how many come out and contest the versions of other significant events? Even one is usually a big deal.
I'm sure they are all a bunch of kooks though;-)

What's so difficult about making an ass out of yourself when you are determined to do so?

And what do you mean that this is "a lot of people"? Do you have any idea how many veterans there are? And "they" have been able to truck out what....25?...after 6 years? 25 out of have many millions of military veterans? And these 25 are by and large proven lunatics or have very little of substance or intellectual worth to say about the 9/11 issues.

Yeah...."a lot of people".