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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 08:00 AM
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Another Ground Zero Witness comes forward.
George Mironis who was there that day, said that he saw bodies in the lobby, and that he had to step over, or step on bodies as he was escaping the complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nTqRm2W0tk&feature=player_embedded#
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 10:24 AM
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1. So what, TuuTuu?
Even if true, what would that mean, Mr. "9/11-was-an-inside-job"?
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 04:07 PM
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8. it means this dewd
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 04:57 PM
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11. Yes, dude....
a YouTube video proves "9/11 was an inside job". Brilliant.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 10:24 AM
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2. Accidental dupe
Edited on Sun Jan-10-10 10:26 AM by SDuderstadt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 11:58 AM
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 01:07 PM
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6. Did you actually read the OP, BeFree?
What the fuck are you babbling about now?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 01:13 PM
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7. Your dupe
Maybe you need a critical thinking class?
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 04:57 PM
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12. I think sarcasm comes into play here.Play on your ineptness perhaps.
but maybe I'm wrong.
LOL
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 05:06 PM
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14. So, now I'm inept because of DU's technical glitch?
Interesting theory, dude.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 09:00 PM
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18. Glitch?
Was the delete a glitch? I don't get it.

All I said was that the dupe is just like how Bush got so may votes in 2004.
Duplicate votes. For Bush.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 09:19 PM
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19. No, BeFree....
the dupe was a glitch...duh. Do you really have this much trouble with simple cognition? How would the SELF-DELETE be a glitch?

BTW, I don't remotely believe your explanation for your wildly irrelevant post. Why don't you simply admit you posted it in the wrong place? On second thought, given your cognitive deficiencies, you probably thought it WAS relevant.

And on it goes.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 10:11 PM
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21. Nah
Whether by design or accident, it's what software can do. Since it can be designed to easily do it, and Bushco friends programmed the computers, and records show that many more votes were counted for bush than there were bush voters.... well, if you can think, you can see how it happened.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 10:41 PM
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22. You can always tell a BeFree post....
it consists of a noun, a verb and "Bushco".
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:45 AM
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26. and alot of truth you convientiently gloss over.
please stay on topic

Stepping over and on dead bodies IN THE LOBBY!

remember?

or do you just want to derail this thread?
lol
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 10:28 AM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:42 AM
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:36 AM
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24. no your just inept
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 10:48 AM
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30. Says the guy who thinks "conveniently" is spelled...
"convientiently".

Unintentional irony at its finest, dude.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:26 PM
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33. I havent alerted yet, but I will ya know lol
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 12:10 PM
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4. Fully in line with the official story
what's your point?
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 12:22 PM
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5. WeAreChange NYC confronts greatest con man
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 04:23 PM
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9. Is it possible to not clutter this thread with unrelated material?
If you simply need to dissuade people from assisting the 9/11 families from finally knowing the truth (as well as billions others affected by 9/11)
do you think you might possibly have the common courtesy to do it in another thread.

this is related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6q9_r3oU6M

Please abide by the forum rules or Ill have to alert on you.
Thank you
LOL
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 04:55 PM
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10. Will you alert on BeFree, too?
Or just invoke the "truther" double standard, dude?
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 04:59 PM
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13. Please stay on topic
or Ill have to alert the mods that your hijacking threads again.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 05:08 PM
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15. Go ahead, dude...
I simply asked if you were going to alert on BeFree for his post that has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. You hate being called on your double standard, dude.

You might want to check the rules, dude.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:47 AM
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27. dont make me put you on ignore
lol
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 10:04 PM
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20. How's that "alert" coming...
dude?
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 05:25 PM
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16. Why do you believe posting a WeAreChange video would "dissuade people ...
... from assisting the 9/11 families from finally knowing the truth?"

Did you not post a video in your opening post with WeAreChange members in action?
 
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 05:39 PM
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17. By now, you should have learned to quit expecting....
"truthers" to make a lick of sense.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:35 AM
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23. dont throw the baby out with the bathwater now
please stay on topic.
If you continue to derail this thread Ill alert...I will ya know
LOL
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 10:34 AM
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29. Please do, TuuTuu...
No one is "derailing" your silly OP, with the possible exception of BeFree, dude.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 11:29 AM
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:03 PM
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32. Who derailed the thread, dude?
Why, it was...YOU!

Typical conspiracy theorist. Do or say something stupid, then blame someone else.

I beg you to quit embarrassing liberalism, the Democratic Party and DU, dude.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:38 PM
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35. Ill have to say it was Make7 and you
but lets get to the OP
Dead bodies in the lobby remember?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:03 PM
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38. Like I said, TuuTuu...
so WHAT????
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:08 PM
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63. Like he said, TuuTuu
Now this is what I call poisoning the debate, and using childish language.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:39 PM
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64. Trying to pick a fight, BeFree?
You're just ticked because so many of your posts get deleted...
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:47 AM
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65. Like he said, TuuTuu
....namecalling is a rhetorical trick in which someone tries to win the debate by using emotional language. Like I said, I'm not engaging with someone who employs such tactics.....
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:20 PM
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66. Please point to any name I have called you or...
anyone else, dude. Take your time.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:29 PM
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34. hey....
"walking around and stepping on dead bodies"

dont make me do it.
I will you know
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 03:12 PM
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43. do what I say or I will alert
do what I say or I will alert

do what I say or I will alert

do what I say or I will alert

do what I say or I will alert

:rofl:
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:44 PM
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36. So?
A triage area had been set up in the lobby of WTC7 after the first plane hit. The triage area was later abandoned and it was possible that some dead persons had been left behind.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:46 PM
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37. this was building 1. sorry but maybe if you watched the vid......
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:09 PM
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39. My bad..
In any case, there's very little news about dead people in the lobby of building 1. People were burned alive by the fireball that travelled through the elevator shafts and exploded (I really shouldn't use that word around Twoofers) into the lobby.
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soyousay Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:29 PM
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40. As everyone knows...
Who has gone up elevators in large buildings the elevators do not go all the way up to the top in one long continuous
trip up. There are stages. So that means even if a fireball did go down the shaft it would have run into the top of elevators before it got to the ground floor.
Plus if you watched the vid the people in the lobby died from glass in the lobby being blown out from explosions.
According to the witness who was actually there.
But I am sure some of you will no more about what really happened than someone who was there..sigh
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:31 PM
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41. There were a couple of elevators that went all the way up to the impact floors, IIRC.
Edited on Mon Jan-11-10 02:38 PM by Bolo Boffin
There was at least one that went to Windows of the World at the top.

And there were several that died from the fireball blowing out of the elevator banks, one being a security guard who was sitting across from the entrance. I believe the phrase was "melted into his seat."

But you go ahead and deny the deaths of these people all you like.

eta: The phrase was actually "fused in the chair".

http://911stories.googlepages.com/insidethenorthtower:witnessaccounts,lobb

There was a lady there screaming that she didn’t know how she got burnt. She was just in the lobby and then next thing she knew she was on fire. She was burnt bad. And somebody came over with a fire extinguisher and was putting water on her.

That’s the first thing that got me. That and in front of one of the big elevator banks in the lobby was a desk and I definitely made out one of the corpses to be a security guard because he had a security label on his jacket. I’m assuming that maybe he was at a table still in a chair and almost completely incinerated, charred all over his body, definitely dead. And you could make out like a security tag on his jacket. And I remember seeing the table was melted, but he was still fused in the chair and that elevator bank was melted, so I imagine the jet fuel must have blown right down the elevator shaft and I guess caught the security guard at a table, I guess at some type of checkpoint.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:09 PM
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45. laughable
If you actually believe jet fuel gushed 80 floors down blew out the elevator doors you might want to lay off the bruce willis movies for awhile.

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself so bolo?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:10 PM
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47. So now you're arguing with the people who were there, Twist
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 05:12 PM
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48. Dude....
ever heard of gravity? Why wouldn't the jet fuel gush down 80 floors?

Stupid post.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:29 PM
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49. So
The jet fuel ran down and totally burned up before this guy walked through there? The fire was out already?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:39 PM
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50. I'd love to see your chronology of events, dude....
do you know what time the witness was there? If you don't, this is just more of your silly conjecture.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:53 PM
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51. Actually
I agree with you. The fire, if there was one, had already burned itself out.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:59 PM
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52. I said nothing of the sort, dude....
up to your old tricks, BF?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 08:04 PM
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53. Oops
So you think the fire was still burning in the lobby?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 08:09 PM
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54. Let's get something straight, dude...
the claim about Mironis is not mine. I have no idea whether the fire was out or not and I never made any such claim or offered an opinion.

Please quit putting words in my mouth when I ask you questions. Now, do you have the chronology or not? It's a simple question, BeFree. And, if you resort to your usual "Bushco" nonsense, this exchange is over. I despise Bush, but I'm far more interested in what you can prove.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 08:20 PM
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55. No opinion?
Hmmmm. I understand. Is ok.
My opinion is that there was no fire in the lobby.


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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 08:26 PM
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56. As I said before, dude...
i'm interested in what you can prove, not your opinion. Why not simply say you have no fucking idea?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 09:49 PM
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57. Really?
What can you prove? That the fuel ran down the elevator shafts?

And to quote you "...you have no fucking idea?"
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 09:55 PM
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58. I'm not trying to prove anything, dude...
Edited on Mon Jan-11-10 09:57 PM by SDuderstadt
as I said before, it's not my claim. You just keep playing the same fucking stupid games. This "conversation" is over.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 10:02 PM
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59. Oh...
...I get it, you're just asking questions. That's allowed.

If, as someone said, that there were charred people in the lobby, it must have been one hell of a flash. Very intense and very hot. Makes me think that maybe there was some kind of flash that wasn't an air fueled flash. Because, common sense tells ya that an air fueled fire would ignite all combustibles and there is no evidence of that.

What kind of an explosive could do that? One simply has to ask that question, eh?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 10:09 PM
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60. Be my guest, dude....
let me know when you find the "answer".

Bye, dude.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 10:15 PM
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61. Eh?
Giving up on finding some answers? No critical thinking skills exercising?

That's just silly, dude.

It's why we are here. To discuss and seek to find answers.
Y'know, ask questions, to discuss, and find some answers.

Bye, dude.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 11:07 PM
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62. Those seeking for answers will find them in the links in post #47.
Those just asking questions will keep avoiding those links.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:54 PM
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42. Ever heard of an "express elevator"?
You really shouldn't represent what you think as fact.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:04 PM
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44. but but but
lol
try and keep up
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 04:09 PM
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46. Old news.
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