It Appears the FBI has the Black Boxes

Did the Bush Administration Lie to Congress and the 9/11 Commission?

9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

By DAVE LINDORFF

One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

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There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes' data, says, "It's very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it's also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings."

Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff12202005.html

This is an interesting development in these "Impeachable Times".

of the terrorist were found quickly and undamaged enough to make a postive ID on the responsible parties.

Weren't there reports of recovery workers announcing finding a black box then it was spiirited away and suddenly they weren't allowed to talk about it.

trust the people who have seeped into the upper levels of OUR GOVERNMENT.

And I find it unlikely as a tech nerd that a radio transmitter would not be attached to black boxes that makes them send a little radio ping every minute so people can find them in a large area. Its a simple thing I can't imagine the designers missing.

the LIES that are offered by the various agencies should tell us who the enemy is.

Whatever happened, to "no comment", when asked of something which cannot be disclosed? To say that the tapes were never recovered, besides slandering the firefighters statements, is simply an outright lie, if this report is true.

It also means that there the FBI lied to the 911 commission.

Where do all the LIES end, and why are we teaching (indoctrinating) our children to be TRUTHFUL (in schools), when it appears by nearly every measure, that LYING is a prerequisite for those high in hierarchy?

To clear the air.

were not planes, which is a pretty strong theory if not conclusion, now.

remember the White House has pieces of the plane in a warehouse. It's mentioned in the
book: The New Pearl Harbor.

I was watching an installment of 'Now' (formerly with Bill Moyers), that showed the pentagon footage, and indeed, there seems to have been no plane - the only reasonable explanation for that, in my eyes, would be that the camera that caught it had too slow of a frame recording speed - I have Tivo, so I slow mo'ed it over and over, and indeed did not see a plane. No opinion on the matter, just an observation.

No intention of hijacking, please excuse the use of this word, this thread. Onwards with the given topic, please.......

time to have your eyes checked.

bye bye

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=49414&mesg_id=49701

What happened after that is anyone's guess. I just believe that this is misdirection, like so much of what has happened since 2000, what we are seeing is not what is happening. Murtha called the Iraq war "a lie wrapped in an illusion." I believe that applies here. It's the same thing when the Florida election officials saw the hack that was done with a smart card, they said they saw the same thing happening with Al Gore's 16,000 votes that
disappeared, which were found later after Bush was declared the winner. It's the rabbit out of the hat, it's like Bush saying that we are always get a court order for wiretapping
except when he didn't in actual practice.

If no plane hit the Pentagon, then what happened to Barbara Olsen and the passengers that were on that plane? I see posts where people state they don't believe planes hit the WTC or the Pentagon, but they don't explain what ended up happening to the passengers on those planes.

By the way, what do lihop and mihop stand for? I've been reading the board for a bit and see these acronyms posted, but can't figure out what they stand for.

Both are major airports. A 757 doesn't land unnoticed. A LOT of people would have seen it land and more than a few of them would have known that AAL77 wasn't supposed to land there.

This scenario is COMPLETELY impossible.

spirited away into some FBI dungeon, no public hearing, no public investigation of the evidence. And many questions.

What I want to know is, how could a plane OR a missile hit the Pentagon with no defense against it? And why the Air Force and NORAD did not follow standard procedure on that day, and on that day only? And where was the Sec of Defense during that critical hour--who had pulled all NORAD decisions into his own hands three months before?

It really, really, really nettles me that they did not defend our nation's capital. Like a burr under my saddle. How could that happen, with no heads falling afterward, not even scapegoats? What are we paying these people billions and billions and billions of dollars for, every year--and they can't even defend the capitol, not even the Pentagon?

http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2004.html#October28,2004-WTC_blackboxes

Although it was not mentioned if they were analyzed or anything.

worried about. That is to say, it is the things we don't know we don't know that should concern us.
All I know, is that these people lie a lot about very serious shit. Cheney and crew are on the record wishing for a "new Pearl Harbor" when Clinton was in office.
People are naive to think that the official story represents the truth. I don't know how much of the 9-11 report is a lie or a stretch or a spin, but I know it's not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

I don't know how much of the 9-11 report is a lie or a stretch or a spin, but I know it's not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Amen to that.

The black boxes are made to withstand crashes and have a beeper so they can be found, even under water or etc.
And firemen reported they found the black boxes. So why has the Media shown no interest in the fact that
the Administration/FBI has not disclosed what information was available from the black boxes?

Because that's gummint business, and gummint business ain't none of our business,
and the media got no business making it their business--especially if they expect
the FCC to rule leniently on their applications to build ologopolistic empires.

Why did the media show no interest in the Ohio election irregularities? Why did
they show no interest in the shortcomings of the voting machines?

but no way could 9-11 have been lihop or mihop. Unthinkable.