The 9/11 Truth Movement slides off the tracks

Not completely, of course. But there seem to be so many people involved with it whose motives and metal faculties are, to say the least, suspect.

I get emails a couple of times a day from someone named Keith Lampe, the self-described "President, USA Exile Govt." I am not entirely sure how much weight or credibility this person hs, but I do know this: I have on occasion replied to direct attacks on me by this person, and when I do, I tend to get a lot of email from people who seem to agree with him.

This email below is one I got a couple of days ago and just had to keep for posterity. I'd be interested in your opinions on it.

For the record, here's where I stand on 9/11 and the state of the Truth Movement in general. It is the story of two books. The first, "Forbidden Truth," came out not long after 9/11 and asked all the important questions (most of which remain unanswered). The book was written by two French intelligence experts.

Almost immediately afterwards, a second book came out of France. This second book (I cannot recall the title at the moment, annoyingly) inspired the claims that no plane hit the Pentagon, that the planes that hit the towers were remote-controlled, etc. It is my opinion that this second book was filled with rank disinformation designed to throw off the legitimate inquiries raised by "Forbidden Truth." A lot of people have latched on to the theories for the second book, many of which are unsupportable by fact. This, in my opinion, is the reason why the Truth Movement has floundered.

The other reason I believe the Truth Movement has floundered is because people like this have credibility, when they should have none. Read for yourself and decide. I have underlined passages I find particularly interesting:

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GOVERNMENT OF THE USA IN EXILE

Free Americans Reaching Out to Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free
December 22, 2005

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

I'm quite grateful to Jeremy below for his tremendously important Editorial.

I'd been equally shocked by Daryl Bradford Smith's two-faced behavior (i.e., hip to 9/11 Inside Job but not to ETs) and have been trying to get time to express myself about it. Ah, but Jeremy's
expression is both more polite and more thorough than mine would have been.

What's at stake here most importantly is that unless we overcome being so divided (and thus so conquered), we stand little chance in our resistance to the Fourth Reich's current main puppets, the Bush Junta.

There must be a coalition much much broader than anything to date in homeplanet history. It must include nearly everyone opposed to the Bush Junta and it must behave in a way signifying it knows that the Fourth Reich controls both mainstream US political parties. (So we can avoid all the current loyal-opposition bullshit.) If a person is opposed to the junta because he or she thinks it isn't adequately preparing a defense against an ET invasion, I'm quite willing to work with that person within certain specific contexts of resistance even though I think it's highly likely that we'd already have been invaded if any of the ETs had that sort of interest.

But how can we build such a broad coalition when someone like Smith--so well-informed in nearly all respects--is in such hysterical Denial merely about visits by folks from various off-planet cultures?

What is it about this sort of info that's so nerve-wracking to him? I'm not sure but I want to suggest that in the interests of coalition-building we should minimize negative moral judgments about him and instead concentrate on the human nervous system's quite limited ability to absorb what certain existentialists called nonbeing--and which we might these days call bummers.

There are yogas available--in secular scientific form, let me hasten to add--which as daily practices can steadily increase our neural stamina--that is, increase the quantities of bummers we can absorb before physiologically (and thus a negative moral judgment here is inappropriate) needing to escape into Denial: All Work and No Play Makes Jack a Dull Boy. Whenever I exceed the quantities I can handle, I succumb to Information Illness: mainly a spectacular exhaustion but also usually a bit of vague depression.) I wish I could learn to discern when I've nearly exceeded what I can handle.

Never before in homeplanet history have people had to face so many different sorts of bummers simultaneously. The lower the human population-density you inhabit, the easier it is. It's toughest of all for those who have lived many consecutive years within Manhattan Island's overwhelming densities--as people like Danny Schechter and A. J. Weberman so poignantly exemplify.

If any of you have friends who aren't yet convinced that we're being visited by folks from more mature solar systems, please ask them to absorb the 2001 National Press Club news conference featured at disclosureproject.com .

Another totally convincing portrayal--though much less accessible--is the 1997 three-part BBC World Service radio series. In fact, I'll cover costs of obtaining a copy of those three broadcasts
for the first person to email me that he or she will do so. (Evidently a credit card is necessary and I disdain them.) It was produced by a fiction writer named Anthony Gray, who went into it totally skeptically (probably the only reason BBC hired him) but evolved into total acceptance. The BBC was so embarrassed by his sudden acceptance that it aired his shows at a time (0230-0300 GMT) guaranteeing the smallest possible European audience. They occurred the last Friday of August and the first two Fridays of September. I don't have a 1997 calendar but I think the dates would be 8/29, 9/5 and 9/12.

In any case, let's work on convening all the various US movements so they can--for example--agree on targets for massive boycotts. This way, we stand a chance of finally becoming very expensive for the reichers--and thus perhaps finally effective enough to influence their behavior in a manner favorable to the survival of humans and other species. For money is nearly all they understand.

Yours for all species,
Keith Lampe,
Ro-Non-So-Te,
Ponderosa Pine
Transition Prez

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Date: December 22, 2005 12:37:13 AM EST
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <911TruthAction> Article on Daryl Bradford Smith
Reply-To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com

I wrote the following and send it along to others of the truth movement fyi.... Jeremy

TOLERATING OUTRAGOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES

I am very active in the 911 truth movement.

Last night I listened to an internet broadcast by Daryl Bradford Smith with guest Eric Hufschmidt, creator of the seminal 911 video and book, Painful Deceptions and Painful Questions.

Both were bemoaning the "contamination" of the 911 truth movement by people who believe in UFOs and other mysteries certified by a consensus of mainstream academia as unworthy of serious study. The Amazing Randi would be proud to join in their call for dismissing such topics. I am not.

Mr. Smith has posted a statement on his site calling for all rational people to castigate those who even discuss topics such as UFOs. I wrote Mr. Smith, stating that a respect for others' beliefs is fundamental in any effort to convince others of a truth they are yet unaware of. His response was
unrelenting.

Issac Newton and Edmund Haley were friends. They once had a discussion on alchemy. You may know that Newton spent half his labors on the study of alchemy. When Haley protested this foolishness, Newton responded, "I, sir, have studied the subject, you have not."

And so it is with UFOs and Crop Circles. Anyone who dismisses them as ridiculous has not done their homework. Has Mr. Smith studied the cases of Betty and Barney Hill, the Allagash incident, Travis Walton, Roswell, the works of Stanton Friedman, Alan Hynek, John Mack, the governments of Belgium, France, Mexico, et al. and a whole shipload of other witnesses, researchers and officials whose
claims and empirical data have withstood years of assault by those out to prove them unworthy?

Did he talk to the late Professor Hawkins who discovered five new theorems from the Crop Circle geometry? Can he explain the molecular change in the stalks of plants bent over in Crop Circles? Can he explain the electromagnetic anomalies measured in the circles or a host of other anomalies that defy a manmade explanation? If he has, I sure wish he would share his logical conclusions with the rest of the world so we can put these mysteries aside. But I'm willing to venture a high
probability that he has no answers. He ain't alone. But the rest of us don't feel a necessity to chide others for their beliefs just because the subject matter is discussed by a wide variety of persons with claims that have little or no scientific backing.......so far.

In a high-level conspiracy like 911, the powers behind it seem to employ a tactic of infiltrating the truth movement with disinformation. The purpose is so that ordinary people looking into the conspiracy, but not yet well informed of the facts, will see a lie and will then quickly dismiss the whole effort to uncover a conspiracy as just so much nonsense. Mr. Smith seems to have fallen
victim not so much to the act of covert disinformation, (though there seems to be plenty of that in the UFO and crop circle field, as Dr. Hynek and George Wingfield and others have stated), but by his rejection of the innocent interpretations of a phenomenon by people with no allegiance to the scientific method. Such persons are not necessarily wrong nor are they unworthy of a voice in society.

Scientifically, no one can say anything with 100% certainty. One can only give it a high or low degree of probability, based on a logical evaluation of how the data supports a working hypothesis. More and more, what was once considered ridiculous is becoming empirical. Professor Gary Schwartz's work with mediums and Professor Ian Stevenson's work on reincarnation and other rigorous studies of
the paranormal hearken back to days when Giordano Bruno was burned for heresy as the old school began to crumble. Any fool can see the sun goes around the earth. It takes a special fool to see beyond the veil.

If Mr. Smith feels that people who think that we are being visited by aliens should be burned at the stake, that's his misfortune. But for those of us who are actively trying to spread 911 truth, he is a burden in our efforts to convince others to have an open mind.

The opinion polls show 80 percent of Americans think the government is hiding knowledge of the existence of extraterrestrial life forms. Shall we not talk to those people? Mr. Smith's call for chastising unofficial beliefs is not only ironic; it is limited hangout in our growth as a civilization.

I can forgive Eric for overactive skepticism. Perhaps his intolerance is a by-product of an extremely analytical mind that gave us his videos and books. I prefer to believe that one day both of these men and others who share their disdain for outrageous conspiracy theories will one day see that all is relative and there are more things in heaven and earth that are dreamt of in our
philosophy.

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Basically, my point in posting all this is simple: I'd like someone here to explain to me how conflating UFOs, alien invasion and crop circles with 9/11 is in any way effective or wise.

I don't see it.

But let's assume it isn't some kind of COINTELPRO psy-op hoax, which is a distinct possibility. You have to figure that with a lie as big as 9-11, and as obvious to people once they figure it out, pretty much all bets are off as to how they'll interpret it. Nobody's convened a 9-11 truth commission yet. But that doesn't mean it's not a lie.

I automatically assume any author who uses the following words/phrases is at least a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic:

1) Bush junta

2) Bush family evil empire

3) Bush crime family

oh, and anybody who uses Nazi phrases to describe the present administration...

Do you not think that the Bush family is a crime family? I suppose mentioning his grand daddy trading with the Nazis makes one crazy too?

He RAN A COMPANY for them.

That's not really a surprise.

Read the 14 points of fascism and get back to me on that whole "they aren't a 'junta', they aren't evil, they aren't as bad as you THINK they are, etc" crap. I bet you think there's nothing wrong with unwarranted wiretapping either. Give me a damned break.

The samples sited for these conclusions are outdated
and weak ones; certainly neither an accurate or fair
representation of the credible 9/11 Truth Movement
as it exists today.

Please consider reviewing the following research
and activist links for websites that continue
asking legitimate questions about the events
surrounding 9/11.


Here are three scientifically based websites,
by respected researcher Jim Hoffman:



http://911review.com/



http://www.wtc7.net/



http://911research.wtc7.net/


A representative multimedia sampling archive
of leading activists, authors and researchers
who comprise the historic 9/11 Truth Movement.

http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pages/archives.htm


Thank you,

Jan Hoyer
911 Research Media Coordinator
http://911research.wtc7.net/

A guy who believes the earth is 5,000 years old. He gets a lot of respect and carries a lot of clout with many conservatives. They have their wing nut creationist fundies and we have wing nut new age ET believers. I agree we shouldn't spend much energy engaging them, but they are not going away. It is what it is.

My sister in law is a bit of a new age ET telepathic faith healer. I tried telling her about the Pakistani connection to 911 and Atta being paid by the ISI
and she told me she heard Bush was a robot. So now I just avoid talking to her about the issue. You know on the one hand I feel like this cabal of conspiring criminals deserves every conspiracy theory ever presented, even the wacky alien-lizard pod craft hologram ones. BushCO has shown over and over again that they are compulsive lying crooks and they absolutely cannot be trusted. What little truth does leak out paints a picture that is increasingly more grim. I can understand the plethora of crazy theories but I'm also convinced the truth movement is a tangled rats nest of info and dis-info.

Actually this post is the first I've seen containing UFO references on this board in a long time. You brought it up. Gee thanks Will.;)

This guy is in no way representative of, nor has any stature in, the 9/11 truth movement.

Thanks for sharing.

glad to hear that.

It's wholly counterproductive even if one believes in that sort of thing.

> Basically, my point in posting all this is simple: I'd like someone here to explain to me how conflating UFOs, alien invasion and crop circles with 9/11 is in any way effective or wise.

I submitted a post about chemtrails in the General section and the moderators moved it to this forum. There should be a forum dedicated to conspiracies to avoid diluting other issues.

comes to mind!

its fringey denizens you're indulging in their kind
of reasoning. This is uncharacteristic of you; a
momentary weakness I'm sure.

But it is worthwhile to note that there are individuals and groups out there doing far more harm than good. I ran this up the flagpole to see who would salute it, and am gratified that no one seems to be doing so thus far.

why are you wondering about this?

Are you trying to assess the 9/11 forum?

Also, to a degree, this is personal. You have no idea of the flak I get via email because I have not been convinced by some of the wilder theories surrounding 9/11. The person who wrote the email above is one such. You can dismiss people like this as 'fringe,' but my experience has taught me that there are far more wild-eyed types like the one above than perhaps you know of.

So, yes, I am in part trying to get the gague of this forum. I am also offering this as a warning.

He is not representative of anything substantial in the movement, but I don't know how you keep nuts like him away from it.

You're a braver man than I.

Redstone

and anyone can propose any hypothesis about the events that day.

So in the eyes of those who do treat criticism of the 9-11 Official Story as one single movement, all criticism of the O.S. can fairly easily be discredited by a few ridiculous theories.

Given that it's so easy to discredit, and given that certain individuals have an interest in discrediting it all together, there's bound to be deliberately planted misinformation about it.

Similar to how on DU there were 'theories' about Bush causing the tsunami - which the MSM immediately latched on to.
It is that easy and it does happen.




Did you ever get around to checking out Operation Northwoods?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
(non-theoretical false-flag involving remote control airplanes - i hope you can admit that RC is slightly less implausible then holograms)

talking about Northwoods in the context of 9/11:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/01/10/25_curtain.html

The Man Behind the Curtain
October 25, 2001
by William Rivers Pitt

In the early months of 1962, General Lyman Lemnitzer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under Kennedy, wanted a war. Part of a cabal of extreme right-wing anti-communist Cold Warriors within the Pentagon, General Lemnitzer believed Kennedy had gone soft on communism and Castro. Kennedy had put any and all provocative action against Cuba on hold, and ordered only the gathering of intelligence data.

For, General Lemnitzer, this was totally unacceptable. Further frustrated by the fact that Castro himself had failed to do anything that would demand an invasion of Cuba, General Lemnitzer and his cabal planned an operation called Northwoods. Bluntly, this operation called for acts of terrorism within the United States perpetrated by agents of the United states loyal to Lemnitzer.

A plan, crafted in exquisite detail, was drafted describing the scope of Operation Northwoods, and was later signed in approval by all of the Joint Chiefs. Citizens would be shot in the streets. Boats of Cuban refugees would be sunk on the high seas. Bombings would be perpetrated within Washington D.C. and Miami. There were even plans to fake the hijacking, and later the destruction, of a civilian aircraft.

Phony evidence would then be provided pointing a finger at Castro. The American people, in their outrage, would demand a full invasion of Cuba. General Lemnitzer would have his war.

Needless to say, Operation Northwoods was never put into effect. When directly asked by Congress whether plans were afoot for the invasion of Cuba, General Lemnitzer swore an oath and said no. Eventually, he was removed from his position. Northwoods became buried under subsequent events, a forgotten idea for more than forty years.

It is an appalling thing to know that such an idea could even be spoken aloud in the Pentagon. It is comforting to believe General Lemnitzer was on the lunatic fringe, a man obsessed with Cuba to such a degree that he would be willing to attack his fellow citizens to create the false pretext for war.

Yet Operation Northwoods was signed off on by all the Joint Chiefs of Staff, leading to the inevitable conclusion that this cavalier and bloodthirsty attitude towards the lives and safety of American citizens and military personnel was not the exception, but the rule.

...more...

I somehow got the impression you were a MIHOP denier.