Are those terrorist training camp videos a hoax?

YouÕve seen those terrorist training videos, right?

What is the purpose of making such a video?

IsnÕt the key to terrorism and its training suppose to be its secrecy?

Besides, who would see this video? What is the target audience of the video? LOL

Their mamas, so they could feel proud that Mohammed finally applied himself and finished terrorist school, to scare the opposition maybe, by showing how agile they are at monkey bars, or to dupe the American people?

Any plausible ideas for the need for a terrorist training tape, Anna, Bolo, anyone?

Michel Chossudovsky may help you find some reasons for producing such a video in his essay called Fabricating an Enemy http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO301B.html

Could one exist without the other?

Wow, where are all the Conspiracy debunkers? Can anyone come up with a plausible reason for the need to film a terrorist training tape, Boloboffin, Analep?

ItÕs so obvious that the CIA made this tape for gullible Americans, and the propaganda
has worked, most Americans fell for it, but not most of the world and some
Americans with critical thinking skills.

Real terrorists would have no NEED to film such a tape, but the CIA would.

Boloboffin, Analep?

You left out their brother, Ron. But seriously, do you really think that they are conspiracy debunkers? Maybe they're advocates for a different conspiracy than those of us who question the OBL and The Boys conspiracy.

...especially about Ron. His posts are so strange that I sometimes wrack my brain trying to figure out if he's on to something that I'm missing. I don't think he is though.

Perhaps he is using a classic technique from an ancient Asian book on propaganda: "If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em." Or is it: "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshift."

...his bullshit is truly baffling. I often wonder if he's just having a go at us. He can't possibly believe some of the things he posts. It's like corresponding with Ari Fleisher while he's tripping on acid or something.

<<But seriously, do you really think that they are conspiracy debunkers?>>

No, they havenÕt debunked anything, itÕs just code for another term.

IÕve debated them both at DU 1

Oh, I see, "debate" is code for another term.

You show me your code, and I'll show you mine...

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Purpose of making terrorist training videos = training terrorists

Target audience = terrorist trainees

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<<Purpose of making terrorist training videos = training terrorists>>

Terrorists need a training video to learn how to kick in a door or how to cross the monkey bars?

LOL, come on Boloboffin you and Analep can come up with something more plausible than that or has your game gone down so much since IÕve left this forum?

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Try putting on the song "Where is the love" by the Black Eye Peas for some inspiration.

Terrorist training videos are made to train terrorists. Why is that implausible?

Currently listening to "In the Name Of Love," U2, but thanks for the tune suggestion...

they are recruitment films shown at their local place of worship. Just like we advertise for the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines in various media.

Except while we advertise the benefits of gaining new skills and seeing new places, they advertise the wonderful opportunities to kill infidels and please allah.

Would bin Laden and Co(ISI & CIA) use the standard commercial come on to gain recruits? I sincerely have doubts. In that they are supposedly a covert operation...Some psy-op hoakey b.s.

<<Terrorist training videos are made to train terrorists. Why is that implausible?>>

Bolo, terrorists donÕt need a video to know how to cross the monkey bars, children donÕt need a video to learn how to cross the monkey bars.

Terrorists donÕt kick down doors and stromtroop a house with machine guns. Those
are American style tactics, when has that ever been the MO of an Arab terrorist?

Terrorists donÕt use advanced military tactics, they simply strap a bomb to themselves and get as close to their target as possible.

That is the extent of their military sophistication which proves that those videos are not genuine, and were made by the CIA for purely for propaganda purposes.

LARED wrote:

<<they are recruitment films shown at their local place of worship. Just like we advertise for the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines in various media.>>

A believable terrorist training tape would be on how to make a bomb and not on how to cross the monkey bars.

As a recruitment film, I think itÕs a poor one. Al jezzera does a better job of inflaming
hatred towards America and Americans.

This "terrorist training tape" was made by Americans and for Americans.

Kinda makes you wonder what "choir" they're in, doesn't it? If they're here merely to keep saying (essentially) that "anything" is possible, we all know that. So, I can't help wondering what else is going on with them, don't you?

I'll concede that maybe they just haven't caught on that no one here needs to be told that any fool and his brother (or sister) with an IQ over 50, can give a semi-plausible sounding excuse for anything. Kids do it all the time.

Very strange.

the training videos do seem a bit ridiculous. But I'm really replying to thank you for making me laugh, going on & on about the monkey bars.

on so many levels. :think: :wtf: :crazy: :argh:

This "terrorist training tape" was made by Americans and for Americans.

Any evidence beside your own wishful thinking?

Terrorists donÕt use advanced military tactics, they simply strap a bomb to themselves and get as close to their target as possible.

That is the extent of their military sophistication which proves that those videos are not genuine, and were made by the CIA for purely for propaganda purposes.

How did you become an expert in the military sophistication of terrorist organizations, BushKnew? Anecdotal evidence is quite okay when preaching to the choir, but let's deal with facts when trying to convince one another...

http://us.cnn.com/2002/US/08/18/terror.tape.main/

A large archive of al Qaeda videotapes obtained by CNN in Afghanistan sheds new light on Osama bin Laden's terror network, revealing images of chemical gas experiments on dogs, lessons on making explosives, terrorist training tactics and previously unseen images of bin Laden and his top aides.

*snip*

Some of the tapes are video training manuals for terrorists, much different from the al Qaeda promotional videos that have been released in the past. One three-hour tape, for example, shows how to make purified TNT from easy-to-get materials. They demonstrate sophistication in planning and explosives skills.

As you said, BushKnew, A believable terrorist training tape would be on how to make a bomb and not on how to cross the monkey bars. There you go...

<<How did you become an expert in the military sophistication of terrorist organizations, BushKnew?>>

I never claimed to be a military expert in terrorist organizations.

What other MO do terrorists have but to strap explosives to themselves and try to get near to as many Americans or Israelis as possible before they blow themselves up.

<<Some of the tapes are video training manuals for terrorists, much different from the al Qaeda promotional videos that have been released in the past.>>

Oh I see, so the tapes where terrorists are seen on monkey bars and kicking down doors with machine guns are not training tapes, they were Al Qaeda promotional videos.

Where would they show these Al Qaeda promotional videos, on the airwaves in Saudi Arabia like Amy of One commercials? I think not.

Boloboffin, I clicked on how CNN obtained the tapes video link and you have to pay to get RealOne SuperPass.

Anyway, how CNN obtained these tapes and how the CIA obtained a steady stream of Osama tapes are interesting questions. Knowing who and how many experts have seen these tapes would also be interesting to know.

*sigh*

My link to CNN is to a free story. You then clicked on a video link at CNN. CNN charges for its video feeds over the Internet now. That's their deal, not mine. The info is there, and you can probably find some free video out there, or at least some still shots. Go Google, young man.

I never claimed to be a military expert in terrorist organizations.

When did I claim you claimed to be a military expert?

You seem to be rock solid sure that terrorists have one M.O. and never, ever use other methods of terrorizing people.

Well, driving truck bombs into buildings isn't exactly strapping bombs to themselves, is it? Unless they used their seat belts, I know, I know...

Or hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings - that's technically a different M.O. than strapping a bomb on and wandering into a disco.

As far as storming doors with automatic rifles, that M.O. might come in handy if the terrorists wanted to kidnap someone...can anyone say Daniel Pearl?

Wonder if Daniel Pearl's execution was/is going to be in an Al Qaeda promotional video? I can't think of many other reasons for his killers to have filmed such an atrocity myself...can you?

Anyway, how CNN obtained these tapes and how the CIA obtained a steady stream of Osama tapes are interesting questions. Knowing who and how many experts have seen these tapes would also be interesting to know.

Dude, check the date on the CNN story. This is OLD NEWS. It's a matter of open record how CNN claims to have gotten the tapes, which they turned right over to the government. Go Google, young man.

Oh...CNN..that great pinnacle of truth....the same station that reiterated all the Bush fantasies and lies about the just and proven reasons we should "liberate" Iraq. CNN said it ITS A FACT according to Mr Boloboffin. Why don't you step out of the box for a while and take it all in instead constantly reiterating OVER AND OVER AGAIN...it's AL QAEDA ITS AL QAEDA blah blah blah....and Intelligence never plays the public for a sucker HUH!!! But then we can't prove it...right?? What have you proven(or shall I say Anablep to)?...that a plane the size of a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon...that's all.

What have you proven(or shall I say Anablep to)?...that a plane the size of a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon...that's all.

I, boloboffin, am not anablep. I am just boloboffin.

At least you finally understand that a plane the size of a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon. Now when you grasp that the passengers of Flight 77 were found dead at the scene, you will understand that Flight 77 did crash into the Pentagon.

I am sorry that so much of the "official" story is true. This, however, is the best way to lie, you know? Tell as much of the truth as you can, especially when there are scads of eyewitnesses running around watching the event go down.

Just as an experiment, I propose you try this: Pretend for a day that the "official" story was a denial of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Spend just one day proving that it did, with all the evidence available to you on the web. At the end of 24 hours, go back to believing what you want about the event.

I dare you. One single day. Work to prove the opposite of what you believe happened at the Pentagon that day. At the very least, you come away with a stronger conviction in the lack of the "official" story to persuade.

I stated that I believe a plane the size or near the size of a Booeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon and have believed this for nearly a year. You are obfuscating my point. I've read enough of your posts to know of your fixation on the culpability of the Al Qaeda network for 9-11. What evidence do you have of this?

So far no evidence to the contrary has been produced. Got the names of the people who actually did it (or at least, got the names they used while they did it?)? Got detailed information on where they were and how they conducted themselves in the final days? Got financial records on where they got their money and how they spent it?

Until you do, you only have speculation, and the Al Qaeda theory holds sway in public opinion. Frustrated rants about the Mossad and BushCo just aren't going to cut it.

As you say you support a "theory". One promulgated by arguably the most corrupt administration our country has experienced for a long time. You were TOLD by this corrupt regime the names of those who did it. They produce no evidence. 7 of the alleged highjackers have been proven to be false names. Following the money trail in itself could be a ruse. Intelligence does manufacture false trails.The WTC South Tower in my researched opinion was imploded. The fineness of the dust and its velocity. The total collapse of the core? The acrobatic flight patterns of the planes...especially those hitting the South Tower and the Pentagon...suggests remote operation. The turning off of the transponders which would only draw quick and immediate attention to Air Control under normal circumstances. The numerous cell phone calls that are near impossible to achieve at high speeds and higher elevations. The continued media emphasis of Mohammed Atta...the ID found blocks away...Mohammed's luggage...his van with the koran and flight manual..oh and his presense at the Portland Airport just hours before the undertaking...no man prepared to pull a stunt like 9-11 would be in Maine the day of the event.He would be near the center of operation. And then the repeated tardiness of interceptors. Just a few indications...I could go on.

...would you run around finding an alternate explanation of why things fall down?

Jesu, joy of man's desiring...

Sorry for you that you refuse to transcend your prozacean world.

Jump outside the box and rotate on that.

there's no reason to get upset. hehe.

"The continued media emphasis of Mohammed Atta...the ID found blocks away"

This particular bit of information has always struck me as odd.

This fellow was supposedly in the cockpit of the plane that blew up in the North Tower, the very epicenter of the raging fires that brought the Tower down, but his passport survived. A passport that was not used to board the flight, case being that his name was not on the passenger manifest.

Are we supposed to believe that this lucky find just magically found it's way to the top of some pile of debris a few blocks away?

Where did he keep it, the pocket of his shirt, an outside pocket in his coat, his back pocket?
Or was he waving it in his hand so the pilots could know just who they were dealing with?
Better yet: seeing that he was a foreigner did the people in Maine ever see the passport as proof of identity or the authorities in Canada when he left their country?

Have any of the "debunkers" proved this to be an absolute certainty?

And where oh where is video of the other "arab hijackers"?
Don't the airports where these people boarded their flights have any video cameras?

Or was the single image of a Middle Eastern man enough to strike such terror into the hearts of the population of the "strongest nation on Earth"?

I say you PR folks, but you could actually be a bookkeeper in Duluth, for all I know. The point is, you here selling the official story, but without any verifiable evidence; yet you demand evidence which only your side could have possession of (if it exists), but you refuse to release it. Why?

You're just as committed and evasive a PR man as any poster on "this side" of the debate.

The thing is, there's plenty of verifiable evidence out there. It's been presented and represented (and thank you for making me paraphrase James Baker). Your need for more evidence is unreasonable. The eyewitnesses to the Pentagon crash have spoken, and moved on with their lives (Rickus, in particular). The engineers are studying the WTC center collapse and refuse to comment on something figuring in several high-dollar lawsuits. Surprise, surprise.

For God's sake, the boulevard is not that bad. Have a cup of coffee and go read a book. Life is what it is.

You must be getting paid to do this; but unless they're paying you extremely well, the least they could do is manufacture some "evidence" that you could try to sell along with the official BS.

Don't you get tired of repeating "there is evidence, there is. there really, really is. you'll see."?

...when you finally open them and see the truth.

There is evidence that you continually ignore. It's been shown again and again for eleven long threads. When the truth gets unavoidable, the CTers change the topic. Again, and again, and again.

BTW, for somebody who's hawking synthetic urine, you don't have much room to talk about being paid to be here, you know?

BTW, for somebody who's hawking synthetic urine, you don't have much room to talk about being paid to be here, you know?

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Very funny animation. Telling commentary on how the corporate media takes shocking things like that library and churns them through the market place.

"Knowing who and how many experts have seen these tapes would also be interesting to know."

I'd be interested in any evidence that even ONE prospective terrorist saw the tapes. Maybe one of the company choir members (bolo?) can enlighten us.

The contention is that the tapes are a hoax. This is something YOU must provide the evidence for.

Who started the thread? BushKnew. What was the topic? The tapes are a hoax, because terrorists aren't that sophisticated. The tapes are a hoax, because CNN lies. The tapes are a hoax, because terrorists have never claimed to see them.

The evidence that the tapes are a hoax will consist of the following:

Evidence of who actually made the tapes. Speculation does not count, it only gives you a hypothesis to begin investigating. Speculation is not evidence.

Evidence of where and when the tapes were made. The CNN cache has a lot of video footage - are there witnesses to the tapes being made? Did the "actors" in the tape cash their paychecks? Who has the receipts for buying the puppies? This is documentable stuff, if the tapes are a hoax.

Evidence of how the tapes were planted in Afghanistan. Again, there should be witnesses to this event, in a range from the innocent bystander to the actual person or people who did the planting.

Proving that the hypothesis is doable is not evidence that it was done.

And we have something in common, we take corporate news with a grain of salt.

But there's just too many people out there that want to know information, and stuff gets through.

As the old reporter's maxim tells us: If your mother says she loves you, check it out.

Thanks for visiting the new blog - I hope it takes off.

Have any of the other networks had their experts examine those tapes obtained by CNN?

It will be examined by many experts FROM different organizations, not just by
CNN experts persay.

and CNN? I seem to recall threads sometime back that there was some internship-like program where the government had people working at CNN. This and Rumsfield intention that disinformation would be a tool for the Pentagon in their "war on terrorism" makes me wonder about CNN's objectivity.

Anyway, since the reason's for attacking Iraq are now known to be lies, what else that this administration states as fact could be untrue?

IÕm still curious if all those tapes CNN obtained have been examined by the other Networks and by their experts.

<<since the reason's for attacking Iraq are now known to be lies, what else that this administration states as fact could be untrue?>>

Amen

that really pissed me off. What a cruel thing to do to an animal.

Btw, how did CNN come in possession of thise tapes?

The extent of how much America has been amBUSHed is daunting.

Our media has been totally absent, even comedians donÕt mess with Bush.

I know more about audio than video technology, but I've noticed time again that DISSIMULATION is the Bush way. We got a little taste of it during Bush I's reign, when many people complained that the Gulf War was presented as if it was a fun video game.

But Bush II has really broken all previous records for DISSUMULATION. This Bush Administration creates forgeries and fabricates evidence and will use whatever technology is available to project it's illusions. Audio and image processing can create voices and video's that seem real enough to sometimes even fool relatives of the people who seem to be saying and doing things that they never really said or did! In the late '90s people just thought, what cool movies we can makes with this new technology -- but now the Bush Administration has found much more sinister uses for it.

On his last show last season he did a bit on the Monkey bars, it was a wink wink
you know those videos are bullshit, it was great.