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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:46 PM
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Experimental Weather Modification Bill Sen. #517-House #2995 Fast Tracking
Experimental weather modification bill - fast tracking - for passage in US Senate and House of Representatives

by Rosalind Peterson

March 11, 2006

U.S. Senate Bill 517 and U.S. House Bill 2995, a bill that would allow experimental weather modification by artificial methods and implement a national weather modification policy, does not include agriculture or public oversight, is on the “fast track” to be passed early in 2006. This bill is designed to implement experimental weather modification. The appointed Board of Directors established by this bill does not include any agricultural, water, EPA, or public representatives, and has no provisions for Congressional, State, County, or public oversight of their actions or expenditures.

Weather Modification may adversely impact agricultural crops and water supplies. If the weather is changed in one state, region or county it may have severe consequences in another region, state or county. And who is going to decide the type of weather modification experimentation and who it will benefit or adversely impact?

This experimental weather modification bill will impact residents across the United States not just in California. Many current and ongoing weather modification programs (47 listed by NOAA in 2005), including the one in Wyoming that is designed to increase the snowpack, may be diverting rainwater away from Oklahoma and Texas, two states that are currently fighting fires caused by a lack of rainfall. We have no idea what the unintended consequences of the Wyoming action or other experimental weather modification programs might be now or in the future.

In addition to the experimental weather modification programs listed by NOAA, there are both private and ongoing government sponsored atmospheric testing and heating programs underway in Alaska and across the United States. Alaska Senator Stevens recently received $50 million in funding for Alaska’s atmospheric heating program.

http://www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest81.htm



109th Congress
H.R. 2995: Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005
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Official Title: To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-2995
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:53 PM
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1. Another victory for the conspiracy theorists. Damn they're good!
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:58 PM
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3. Portions of the Original Bill


109th Congress
S. 517: Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005
Introduced:
Mar 3, 2005
Sponsor:
Sen. Kay Hutchison
Status:
Scheduled for Debate

SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

6 It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement
7 a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modi-
8 fication policy and a national cooperative Federal and
9 State program of weather modification research and devel-
10 opment.
11 SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

12 In this Act:
13 (1) BOARD.--The term ``Board'' means the
14 Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.
15 (2) EXECUTIVE term ``Execu-
DIRECTOR.--The

16 tive Director'' means the Executive Director of the
17 Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.
18 (3) RESEARCH term
AND DEVELOPMENT.--The

19 ``research and development'' means theoretical anal-
20 ysis, exploration, experimentation, and the extension
21 of investigative findings and theories of scientific or
22 technical nature into practical application for experi-
23 mental and demonstration purposes, including the
24 experimental production and testing of models, de-
25 vices, equipment, materials, and processes.

<snip>

MODIFICATION.--The

2 ``weather modification'' means changing or control-
3 ling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial
4 methods the natural development of atmospheric
5 cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in
6 the troposphere.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-517
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:23 PM
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33. Here's something weird
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 04:40 PM by Marie26
I'm just throwing it in here even though I know it'll help feed the conspiracy theorists. One of the prime employers of "weather modification technology" is - the United Arab Emirates! Cool.

I did a Google search on "weath. mod." & this company popped up in ND - "Weather Modification, Inc." specializing in cloud seeding, researching storms, etc. They also have a future research project pending w/the UAE. http://www.weathermod.com/projects/research/uae.php

The UAE is funding a massive project to apply weather mod. technology to increase rainfall in the desert country. This project seems to use cloud seeding, hydrologic studies, & other technologies to try to modify the weather over the UAE.

From the UAE project web-site: "A preliminary assessment identified some key areas of study required for assessing the efficacy and potential benefits of rainfall enhancement via hygroscopic seeding. This involves designing and implementing a randomized hygroscopic cloud seeding experiment during the summer season to statistically quantify the potential for cloud seeding to enhance rainfall, specifically over the UAE and Oman Mountains. The randomized seeding experiment will require at least two years to treat a sufficient number of cases... Several activities or components are required in order to quantitatively assess any increases in rainfall from cloud seeding and to initially estimate the overall economic benefit of such a program.

http://www.rap.ucar.edu/projects/UAE/

They've also offered a "UAE International Prize for Excellence in Weather Modification." -

http://www.uaewxmodprize.ae/

And maybe it's working -

"UAE Sees Snow for First Time Ever" -

"Snow has fallen over the United Arab Emirates for the first time ever, leaving a white blanket over the mountains of Ras al-Khaimah as the desert country experienced a cold spell and above-average rainfall. The English-language Gulf News reported that the mountain cluster, 5,700 feet (1,737 metres) above sea level, "had heavy night-time snowfall for the past two days as a result of temperatures dropping to as low as minus five Celsius (23 Fahrenheit)" and stunning the emirate's residents.

On Monday, 12.6 millimetres (half an inch) of rain fell on the desert emirate of Dubai, where it hardly ever rains, as police reported 500 accidents on its roads in 24 hours, including one fatality, as a result of a three-day downpour.

A cold spell has hit the country this week, with the mercury plunging to 12 degrees Celsius (53.6 Fahrenheit) in Dubai on Wednesday night. The meteorology department, however, said the chilly weather in Dubai, where summer temperatures reach 50 Celcius (122 Fahrenheit), will probably end by next week."

http://www.terradaily.com/2004/041230070249.aayydc48.html
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marlev623 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:00 PM
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50. you people have such open minds
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:57 PM
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2. Tin foilers rejoice, you can take off your hats for a little
while....



The rest of us need to get our out of our arses.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:02 PM
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4. i'm not sure what you would prefer we do
sit on our hands and continue to do nothing about the weather?

we can't continue to tolerate the weather just doing what it likes no matter the human or economic cost

it may be a long shot, the real science may be years in the future, but the time to start to figure out a way to stop the hurricanes, droughts, and other weather-related disaster was yesterday

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:08 PM
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5. And whom do you have confidence to control the weather? Do you
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 02:08 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
honestly trust the clowns in this administration to get anything right? Or even use it for good as opposed for their own agenda as they have done things all along?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:13 PM
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7. it won't be operational while these clowns are in office
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 02:13 PM by pitohui
weather control is decades away, the amount of energy released in even a small hurricane is more than our nuclear arsenal

this is just some enabling legislation to allow the beginnings of a hope of research from my read of it

noaa is good folks, i don't presume they are all ignorant shitheads, altho i did meet that noaa dude one time who managed to fall off a picnic table and break his own arm, i guess he might fit the mad scientist stereotype ok

yes, i trust scientists more than i trust just sitting on our hands and letting this atlantic hurricane cycle continue on for possibly another five decades! and then on and on in an endless cycle all down thru eternity so that nothing ever improves for anyone!

this is literally we have nothing to lose, a nuclear bomb on new orleans would have destroyed less area than katrina/rita
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:22 PM
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12. sorry, but the DoD and Pentagon has been at this for years...
don't drink the kool aid that this is something we can trust scientists about, and please remember that it's scientists who created the nuclear bomb .. not all scientists are about evil agendas, but enough are paid to experiement in evil projects.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:26 PM
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14. well the project still "needs work"
right now it seems abt as advanced and reliable as their efforts to read classified soviet documents by remote viewing

there was an actual attempt made to turn betsy, results nada, don't know if they've even bothered to try since because of the huge amount of energies involved but, in any case, so far the attempts at weather change have always had the same result, zero

more and better funding, maybe a manhattan type project instead of a crap "silly season" type funding effort, might be the answer

it may be humans cannot ever control this amt of energy but, christ, it's like people want to give up before it's even investigated

what do you have to lose? worse case, some scientists get jobs that don't go anywhere
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:23 PM
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27. This is a very small program
"There are authorized to be appropriated to the Board for the purposes of carrying out this Act $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2006 through 2015. Any sums appropriated under this subsection shall remain available, without fiscal year limitation, until expended."

So $10 Million is appropriated to fund this entire program. That would barely cover the salaries of the board members, research & expenses of meetings. It's petty cash for a gov. program. It certainly would not cover the kind of widespread weather control that people are envisioning. It seems to be simply a board to study & research possible remedies.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:38 PM
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21. Decades away?
Think again! It’s already been happening for decades and they’re just coming out of the closet now……

History of HAARP and government atmospheric programs - "fifty years of intensive and increasingly destructive government programs to understand and control the upper atmosphere"
http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory.asp?catid=1&subcatid=1

HAARP: Weapons of Total Destruction?
www.viewzone.com/haarp00.html

Explanation and examples of scalar tectonic weaponry
http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php?news_id=40&start=0&category_id=7&parent_id=0&arcyear=&arcmonth=

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:40 PM
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22. The bill was introduced by a Democrat
Just saying...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:01 PM
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32. It was originally introduced by Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Republican of Texas
Not too happy about Udall following up with it. I believe that it's about time we as a people honored nature.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:27 AM
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47. I can see why
Hutchinson is from Texas, where the droughts are causing huge wildfires. Udall's from Colorado, where the National Atmosp. Reasearch Board is. Both stand to gain if this is actually put into practice. I had no idea weather modification was actually a feasible technology, but it looks like it's already being used around the world. I don't think it's good to mess w/nature either, but I can see the temptation when so many areas are plauged w/droughts.
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theSaiGirl Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:54 PM
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34. Trusting globalist elites to program our weather .....
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 05:00 PM by theSaiGirl
Just like we trust them to "control" global false-flag "terror" ...

Kind of like expecting Al Capone, Meyer Lansky and Lucky Luciano to "control" their classic "protection" rackets.
While paying "insurance" to them every week.

I am posting this discussion from last year, on the strange behavior of "hurricanes" Katrina and Rita ("HAARP-icanes" ?)

Just scroll down to the section on "Weather Control"...
(Oh yeah .. be sure to open your mind up first, and set the controls on "independent critical judgement" ....

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_covertoperations_archive.html

Anyone want to re-post Congressman Dennis Kucinich's old speeches on the House floor detailing his concerns about the potential applications of "scalar weaponry".

It's old "news" by now....
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:52 PM
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42. Oh, please.
Do people here even know what HAARP is? Because it's treated like a buzzword that nobody really understands, but they use it anyway because they want to imply some nefarious purpose. HAARP is basically one big low-frequency radio transmitter. There's many similar facilities all over the world, in the US, Europe, and Russia. The Norwegians operate a similar facility that's capable of 30 times as much power as HAARP. It still doesn't make it a weapon, or a means of creating hurricanes, or mind control, or a channel for summoning pixies, or whatever the latest theory is. If you want to get outraged, complain about how much money the thing has probably cost us for no real benefit.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:09 PM
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6. The desire to control
the forces of the world is what brought us to this precipice.

Change our behavior, that's the answer. Science is not the answer, it's proven to be Pandora's box. But always the technological solution to the techno problem which brings its own set of problems and then we look for more techno-solutions which of course....

How about a little humility humanity? Humanus Hubris destroys Planet Earth RIP.



Why always trying to control this beauty.


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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:16 PM
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8. oh for the love of--!
this is what we want to control



plaquemines parish, louisiana

and how about this



lower 9th ward, new orleans, louisiana

what the hell is wrong w. people, should we just sit back and allow this crap to happen forever, on down thru eternity?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. There are some that would say
they did not sit back
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:31 PM
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17. You cannot control the weather
The solution in New Orleans was to evacuate, to have repaired the levees years ago, and to reconstruct with massive federal assistance.

It is in most "natural disaster" cases human arrogance, such as clearcuts that contribute to mudslides in hurricanes, which is to blame. That same human arrogance seems to want to "control" the weather.

Nature cannot and should not be controlled.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:48 PM
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23. We're already controlling the weather
Human technology has created global warming, which is causing stronger hurricanes, warmer temps., more droughts. Since we've created the problem, why can't we try to solve it? The current global warming is not "natural" in any way.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:55 PM
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24. Relying on those who create problems
to solve those same problems sounds a bit insane to me.

We are not controlling the weather (And will never, we are not so wise or powerful if only we would admit it to ourselves) humans are turning the natural systems into unusually violent activities.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:14 PM
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26. That controls the weather
to a certain extent. It certainly changes the weather. And if human beings don't step up to the plate to stop golbal warming, who will? We've got to start using our technology for more beneficial ends. For example, creating cleaner, more efficient factories that don't release so much CO2. I don't know how you could be against that. The polar caps are already melting. If we don't do something now to handle global warming, it will only get worse.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:10 PM
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43. Affecting weather and controlling weather are two very different things.
You can affect the weather by doing any number of things, whether it's increasing CO2 levels or depleting the water table.

CONTROLLING the weather, on the other hand, is a whole different thing. Weather systems are among the most complex in existence, and exerting any significant control over it would be next to impossible. The amount of energy expended by even a single lightning bolt is far more than HAARP could put out, let alone a hurricane, which expends enough energy to power most of the United States. Our technology is pretty good, but it's dwarfed by the problems presented by weather control.

Which is to say nothing of the question of how you're actually supposed to effect this weather control. How do you steer a hurricane, exactly?

These efforts by DARPA and the like for things like "fog removal" and "storm enhancement" are on the level of their attempts to find Soviet submarines via telepathy: an extreme longshot that's experimented with precisely because DARPA's mandate is to explore all possibilities.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #43
48. Is it possible?
I thought it was all theoretical too, but it looks like it's actually being used in the UAE to create rain. Is cloud-seeding something that works right now?
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BlueStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 07:31 PM
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44. I agree with you Clara T
Though I do find the topic of weather mod very interesting... and scary, I wouldn't trust putting one of the most complex aspect of nature into the hands of a few humans. We as humans always have this need to trump God, or whatever you call the Great Being... It's like cloning, it ain't going to happen and it shouldn't. Who knows what kind of problems we could reap.

Blu
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #8
28. How do you know that Katrina wasn't controlled in some way?
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 03:32 PM by TheGoldenRule
This sh*t is VERY dangerous-especially in the wrong hands or for the profit of the few.

I swear, the evil of the powers that be just blows my mind! :puke:

Don't these guys know better than to screw with mother nature?! :scared:
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. The weaponization of the weather has officially started
We know Bush only serves evil.
HAARP on steroids, anyone?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. even a stopped clock is right twice a day
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 02:21 PM by pitohui
noaa is good folks and something has to be done abt the weather, it is becoming an intolerable burden on the economy and taking an intolerable toll on the growing human population of this nation and of this planet

you can't just let random weather crap continue to happen like this forever and for all time

it used to be natural and beautiful to die in childbirth too, natural and beautiful and romantic to have tuberculosis, great and glorious to die in war for that matter, now we know better

we need to develop the technology to put a stop to crap weather and the sooner the better in my book

easy to sit back in boise, idaho or some place and claim that everything is beautiful in its way
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:24 PM
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13. It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. yes, so don't get vaccinated, don't use antibiotics
peoples who don't fool w. mother nature have an average life expectancy of 35 to 45 years

mother nature expects you to pop out a baby at 13 and be a grandmother at 30 and to be out of the way at 40

i'm not real interested in what mother nature thinks

her treatment of her children is callous and intolerable

we can do better

we must do better

just because people have suffered from shit weather from the dawn of time doesn't mean we should never, ever seek improvement

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:34 PM
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20. We're talking about Gaia here
Guardians of The Breath

They were guardians of the breath
Trusted with those precious chances
Keeping gaia from the fear of death
Balances must be defended

To take only what they must
(borrowed from the future)
Live in lovers of a global home
(our children will remember)

Guardians slept while comfort came
The vapours poison, the acid rain fell
The spirit cut from earthly bounds
The creature stirred the pain

How much abuse can she take
(awake from your dreamtime)
The lines are drawn our justice awaits
(will the guardians surrender)

The forest bare, a desert born
The life pushed out
They sold her cheaply
All for a shilling for next weeks treat
A marvel that had taken ten thousand years

To take only what they must
(borrowed from the future)
Live in lovers of a global home
(our children will remember)

They are guardians of the breath
Trusted with those precious chances
They are guardians of the breath
Balances must be defended

--Howard Jones
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
29. Hey careful you! that's a normal sky
They aren't mucking around with the weather...



This was taken during the early part of the day... not at dusk as it looks. I pulled over to the side of the road to take the shot. People who drove by looked at me, not the sky. I am so appalled at how inobservant people are of their environment.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. What's odd about that?
I'm not being snarky, just curious. It looks like sunrise, w/some contrails that are moving with the wind.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. I appreciate the question
It actually was very striking as you can see by the picture but true contrails should dissipate within a few seconds. They don't linger, grow wider, spread out and get blown around in strange ropes like this. This is a southeasterly view at 10 AM, so it isn't sunrise. There were strong winds at higher elevations, and the winds blew the gunk into one big weird looking clump. It wasn't rainy or otherwise stormy.

If this type of thing looks normal for your skies, just think back to a few years ago. Do you remember seeing contrails spread out and turn the sky milky 10 years ago, or even 5? I have always been a cloud watcher and this is a fairly recent phenomenon around here at least.









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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 12:01 PM
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36. I have no idea if the skies are
different; I live in a different place now than I grew up. Where I live now, in a major city, contrails are pretty common. From my 5th floor patio, I can see lots of planes taking off & landing. And depending on the weather, contrails often do stick around & drift away. So I'm not sure that "true contrails" should dissipate instantly. They're just water vapor, like clouds. Clouds don't instantly dissipate, why should contrails? The temperature that high is always way below freezing. They do look weird twisted like that in the photo. But it seems like wind, pushing normal contrails, would create that effect. Thanks for your response - it's an interesting photo.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
30. What is "weather modification" exactly?
I know there's various theories about it. But if you asked, say, the Rep. who introduced this bill, what would he say weather mod. is for? Is it to increase rainfall, halt global warming, etc.? Thanks!
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:28 PM
Response to Original message
15. Perhaps now Skinner should allow "chemtrail" threads
It's getting real.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:32 PM
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18. I'm sorry,...
but why are we not permitted to discuss this on DU again?
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:34 PM
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19. Looks like the Congress
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 02:41 PM by Marie26
is making plans to handle global warming while the Bush Ad. denies that global warming even exists.

From the bill: board will conduct "assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather modification, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects)." Does this mean I can't make fun of chemtrails anymore? Shoot.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:07 PM
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25. British scientist mysteriously deported from Belarus
Hutchison (R-TX) Sponsors Weather Modification Bill (S.517)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-517

Mar 3, 2005: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. (text of measure as introduced: CR S2025-2026)

A BILL To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes. It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modification policy and a national cooperative Federal and state program of weather modification research and development.

The term ``weather modification'' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere.

At least 1 (member of the board) shall be a representative of a State that is currently supporting operational weather modification projects. (Note that there seems to be no mention of a representative from the National Weather Service on this board.)

There is authorized to be appropriated to the Board for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2014. Any sums appropriated under this subsection shall remain available, without fiscal year limitation, until expended.

This Act shall take effect on October 1, 2005.

Interesting possibilities here, eh? Think about this bill in light of Santorum's efforts to dismantle the National Weather Service.

Then, go back to that part about changing or controlling by artificial methods the natural developments of atmospheric cloud forms. Some of us have been pointing out how this is already going on--and that it has been going on since roughly 1999!





British scientist mysteriously deported from Belarus

Authorities of Belarus made a decision to deport a British scientist. The Belarussian Interior Affairs Ministry rescinded the visa of the British citizen Alan Flowers. The scientist has been analyzing the consequences of the Chernobyl catastrophe for more than ten years. Spokespeople for the ministry refused to comment the reasons of such a measure.

The scientist, who specializes in radiology studies, believes his deportation is tied with his contacts with non-state organizations. The British Foreign Ministry confirmed the fact of deportation, although there were no comments released on the matter either.

Alan Flowers has probably come to conclusions, which could have provoked a negative reaction in the governments of the former Soviet Union. The British scientist particularly proposed USSR"s special services arranged artificial rains in Belarus after the nuclear disaster in 1986 not to let the wind blow the contaminated air towards Moscow.

The British scientist says many of his colleagues in Belarus support his theory, although they prefer not to talk about it in public. The reasons of such radioactive rains are not known yet, which does not allow estimating the capacity and nature of radioactive contamination.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/92/370/13618_brttscientist.html
Belarus deports Chernobyl expert

Vladimir Kuzura, an official from the Belarusian Interior Ministry, refused to explain the reasons behind the withdrawal of Dr Flowers' visa and the deportation order.

But Dr Flowers is said to have made a claim that, if proved right, would cause great embarrassment to former top Soviet officials.

According to Vera Rich, who was the Soviet correspondent of the scientific journal Nature at the time of the tragedy, many believe the then Soviet Union seeded clouds to make them rain on Belarus.

The move was aimed at preventing winds from blowing contaminated material towards Moscow, theorists say.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3943013.stm


The British scientist particularly proposed USSR"s special services arranged artificial rains in Belarus after the nuclear disaster in 1986 not to let the wind blow the contaminated air towards Moscow.


Chornobyl Fallout Brought Down on Belarus To Spare Russia?

To date, none have been willing to "go public," arguing that -- in the political climate of today's Belarus -- to give their names would not only endanger their visas (and their continuing research) but also put their informants at risk. However, the following emerged in informal discussions on the sidelines of a recent scientific conference:

One researcher, whose official brief is to monitor whether the soil of these areas can be safely brought back into cultivation, has begun collecting the reminiscences of local inhabitants as to what they remember of the days immediately after the accident. He made no attempt to "lead" his "witnesses." Amid the many purely personal incidents (weddings, May Day celebrations, etc), there were repeated reports of unusual activity of aircraft and/or rockets being fired in the vicinity. One man, the chief administrative officer of his locality, stated categorically that he had seen an aircraft with "stuff coming out of the back." Many people remembered that the rain showers that followed were "unusually heavy" and that -- unlike "normal" rainstorms in early May, were not accompanied by thunder. Challenged by colleagues that such reports were "subjective," the researcher pointed out, "These people are farmers and know about rain!" When further asked why such claims had never been made before, he pointed out that, to date "no one had bothered to ask the locals!"

A senior scientist who had been working mainly in Russia stated that what he termed an unimpeachable Moscow source who, at the time of the accident "had been in a position to know," admitted that the clouds were, indeed, brought down. People like his informant, this scientist said, "are prepared to talk in cars -- particularly Western cars!" (i.e., where there is little likelihood of "bugging").

In fact, shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union, one scientific paper was published in the West that reported -- on the basis of local claims -- that the soil had been tested for traces of silver iodide, the chemical most widely used for seeding. No such traces were found, the report said. But this is at best negative evidence. The soil samples in question were taken more than six years after the accident -- and the small amounts of silver left by seeding could well have leached out of the soil during that time. Alternatively, the Soviets might have used a different chemical for seeding.

One scientist who has worked on the Chernobyl contamination since 1992 is Dr. Alan Flowers of Kingston University (U.K.). Many of his colleagues in Belarus, he says, seem to accept as established fact that the clouds were seeded -- but again, they have never publicly admitted this. When asked -- 16 years after the event and with the Soviet officials who would have taken the decision to "seed" the cloud presumably out of office, retired, or dead -- he replied that "for a full understanding of the distribution and effects of the Chernobyl fallout, we need as much evidence as possible. What caused the rain is still an uncertainty in our knowledge about the intensity and nature of the contamination."

more
http://greennature.com/article1346.html


The population of these areas has always maintained that the rain was artificial - "seeded" on orders from the Kremlin. Soviet authorities dismissed these reports as "radiophobia" fomented by "anti-socialist elements," and said they did not have the technology to "bring down clouds" in that way (although for years, the Soviet media had claimed exactly the opposite, with circumstantial accounts of crops saved from storm damage by prophylactic "cloud seeding").

Western scientists tacitly accepted the Soviet denials - partly in the belief that no government would act so callously and also because they considered the Chornobyl-polluted area a unique "laboratory" for studying the migration of radioactive contamination in the soil and did not want to provoke the authorities into denying them visas. However, the bulk of circumstantial evidence is now causing them to think again.

To date, none have been willing to "go public," arguing that - in the political climate of today's Belarus - to give their names would not only endanger their visas (and their continuing research) but also put their informants at risk. However, the following information emerged in informal discussions on the sidelines of a recent scientific conference.

One researcher, whose official task is to monitor whether the soil of these areas can be safely brought back into cultivation, has begun collecting the reminiscences of local inhabitants as to what they remember of the days immediately after the accident. He made no attempt to lead his witnesses. Amid the many purely personal incidents (weddings, May Day celebrations, etc), there were repeated reports of unusual activity of aircraft and/or rockets being fired in the vicinity. One man, the chief administrative officer of his locality, stated categorically that he had seen an aircraft with "stuff coming out of the back." Many people remembered that the rain showers that followed were "unusually heavy" and that - unlike "normal" rainstorms in early May, were not accompanied by thunder.

more
http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/2002/300206.shtml

The Belarusian government has consistently tried to play down the impact of the disaster and outspoken researchers have been gagged in the past.

President Alexander Lukashenko has imposed strict controls on freedom of speech and is increasingly isolated by the west.

The deportation of Dr Flowers comes days after the closure of the country’s only non-government university.

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3280282
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 04:25 PM
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37. I assume this wasn't originally posted in the 9/11 forum
I mean, it's neither CT nor is it about 9/11.

Looks like a mod got a bit overzealous.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 04:28 PM
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38. This is actual political legislation
Why did this get removed from GD?

This has nothing to do with 9/11. What gives?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 06:43 PM
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39. Because someone might actually say the word...chemtrails...
and Skinner thinks they are "kooky"

....and its his site.

...and as soon as they are mentioned the debunking squad will show up.

....or perhaps they don't want anyone else to see that maybe the :tinfoilhat: people are not quite as :tinfoilhat: as other would like to make them out to be.

:shrug:
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 01:32 PM
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41. If the story wasn't from a shitty source, it may have had a chance.
Check out the homepage of the site the OP links to.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:30 AM
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49. yeah Library of Congress is one of those shitty sources
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h2995:


Only the fact that moving, locking, deleting by mods is often done anonomously prevents some of them making themselves look like fools.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:24 AM
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46. It's a valid story
The mod probably saw it, thought "chemtrails", & moved it over. Maybe you could repost it with a link to a more mainstream news site (NY Times, etc.) & they'd leave it.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 10:23 AM
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40. Gee. This seems like front page type stuff.
It's only a new fucking law the BFEE monsters are working on.

NAZIs were enabled.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 05:29 PM
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45. Is this H.A.A.R.P. ? saw a video about those billion watts
being generated and shot into the electro-jet. Even the pro's who created it can't predict what might happen.
Crazy corporate lunatics.
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