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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:12 PM
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Question: Was bush's brother involved with security at the Twin Towers?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:12 PM
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1. yes. n/t
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:13 PM
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2. WTC7.
Not the towers.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:15 PM
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3. Why is that important?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:26 PM
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5. Why do you think it's not important?
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:35 PM
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6. Because what does someone working with security
at the twin towers could possibly have to do with the planes crashing into them ?

Or,

Obviously, bush's brother was at the core of the MIHOP / LIHOP conspiracy that brought the twin towers down.

You tell me?
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:52 PM
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9. You tell me?
It has to do with the planting of the explosives.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:59 PM
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10. Running away
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 08:02 PM by Poppyseedman
from tin foil hat threads.

It takes a HUGE about of paranoia to believe anybody purposely blew up the twin towers as an inside job for whatever reason.

Please spare me the links, posts, theories, thin possibilities, supposedly photo evidence, six degrees of Kevin Bacon and all other information that I have already seen and looked at and come to the conclusion 99.999999999% of other people have.

Terrorist high jacking planes crashed into the twin towers without the help of the BFEE
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:25 PM
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11. 99.99% have not come to the conclusion you've come to
In New York City, polls taken over a year ago show that about 50% of the population believes that the government was complicit in 9/11, and according to the New York Magazine article about the 9/11 truth movement that came out, the author's impression the number who believe in complicity is now higher.

You are definitely in the minority when it comes to the conclusions people have drawn from the evidence.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:41 PM
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13. O.K. ..........I saw those polls
99.99% of everybody outside of NYC. That leaves a couple of hundred thousand people who wear tin hats.

As for polls asking if the government was complicit in 9/11, there is a difference between asking if someone thinks the government could have been involved or if they actually believe they DID IT.

BTW, what makes a polled New Yorker more informed then a someone living in Florida to come to that conclusion ?

Certainly, just living there doesn't give you more access to information than elsewhere.

I have read hundreds of pages on the 9/11 conspiracy and found almost of it lacking any REAL ACTUAL EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that proves anything.

You know, things like facts! But, that's half the fun. Pretending theories and suppositions are real facts.

But, of course the government covered it up.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:48 PM
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16. New Yorkers do know more
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 08:51 PM by HamdenRice
>>99.99% of everybody outside of NYC. That leaves a couple of hundred thousand people who wear tin hats.


What makes you think that New Yorkers are not a representative sample of the rest of the country?

>>As for polls asking if the government was complicit in 9/11, there is a difference between asking if someone thinks the government could have been involved or if they actually believe they DID IT.


Yes, but you dismissed all conspiracy theories about complicity. What's the difference between being involved and having done it, anyway? Same moral culpability; same level of evil depravity.


>>BTW, what makes a polled New Yorker more informed then a someone living in Florida to come to that conclusion ?

This actually makes me mad: Because we were there, we saw it, we were running for our asses from falling buildings on 9/11, and all the shit that has happened since has been done in our names, supposedly for revenge for what happened to us, so yes we have a bigger stake in it, and a lot of us are more informed. A lot of firefighters and policemen who were there that day say the whole thing is bullshit, but are gagged from talking to the press, but what they are saying is getting around the city by word of mouth, and it is not getting to Florida by word of mouth. That's why mainstream media outlets in New York, like the Village Voice and New York Magazine report government complicity in 9/11 as a probability, rather than a "wacky" conspiracy theory.

>>Certainly, just living there doesn't give you more access to information than elsewhere.

Yes it does. Like, having gone to the WTC hundreds of times and knowing that WTC 7 was a block away from the twin towers and separated by other buildings. Yes, dude, we do know more.

>>I have read hundreds of pages on the 9/11 conspiracy and found almost of it lacking any REAL ACTUAL EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that proves anything.

Maybe your mind was shutting out what you were seeing, because it's there. Most people can see it.

edited for clarity/emphasis
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 09:14 PM
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18. New York City is not even remotely representative sample
of the people in the country. Not even close. That fact you think so, just proves you know nothing about the rest of the country.

Before I get you really mad. I was born in the Bronx (Jerome Ave) and lived there a 1/3 of my life. I'm not that old either.

So you are saying that the 6 car pileup that happened on I-4 in Tampa last week and I sent you the police report, photographs, insurance claims forms, eyewitness testimony and video footage and all available information, you could not come to a equally valid conclusion as me who saw the accident first hand and was almost hit by the flying bumper?

I realize the twin towers are a very emotional issue and I am not making lite of of it with my car accident example. It still pisses me off to no end every time I think about it.

But just because you saw it first hand does not invalidate a conclusion I made, based on the available information.
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 09:58 PM
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19. But just because you saw it first hand does not invalidate a conclusion I
You're obviously not aware that more and more professionals are agreeing with us?

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 09:54 AM
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20. A number of things invalidate your conclusions
First of all, in your very first post, you pulled a false number out of your ass -- that 99.99 % of people dont' believe in complicity. Whether it's NY or the rest of the country, that's just plain obviously wrong. So you lose your credibility right there.

Then you think NYers are biased BECAUSE they were there and have first hand experience w/ 9/11 and the oral history swirling around the city?

I'd say that's reason enough to invalidate your conclusions.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:59 PM
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17. Marvin would definitely be one NOT TO TALK
if he'd be involved in a 9-11 conspiracy, don't you think?
He'd be in to it up to his neck and he'd benefit from it greatly.

How about he had something to do with rigging WTC building with demo charges?

If it's an inside job - he's definitely an insider.

Or do you think it's coincidence that all these family members end up in hight places with fat salaries and bonuses. It's just family members helping one another out.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:42 PM
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7. The point is that if MIHOP involved controlled demolition ...
The point is that if MIHOP involved controlled demolition the argument often is made that no one could possibly have gotten access to the building to set the charges.

But if the Bush family controlled security in some way, then access could have been provided. There is some reporting that there was a major "power down" at the WTC on the weekend before 9/11 so that all office alarm systems were shut off. Again, that would allow access to someone setting charges or carrying out other mischief.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:46 PM
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8. And see this as well:
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html

Scary....(A simulated attack by plane on pentagon in 2000)
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:40 PM
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12. boy is there a lot of info on him....
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 08:45 PM by stillcool47

Influence and bailouts a business tradition in Bush family
By ROBERT TRIGAUX
© St. Petersburg Times, published October 29, 2000
Marvin
Coral Gables director: As an executive of Winston Partners Group, a northern Virginia investment company, Marvin was named to the board of South Florida-based Fresh Del Monte Produce in 1998. The international fruit and vegetable company, run by the Abu-Ghazaleh family, has a board full of Bush family friends. Among them: Stephen Way, who heads Houston-based HCC Insurance Holdings and is a major fundraiser for Bush family politicians. Way also invited Marvin on to the HCC board last year, a position that pays Bush thousands of dollars and gave him options to purchase 12,500 shares of HCC common stock.

Stratasec: Marvin was recruited to join the board of this secretive Virginia security company that serves international corporations and governments. The company is awash in ex-government security and military personnel. Among them: Barry McDaniel, who served during the Reagan years as deputy director of readiness for the U.S. Army Materiel Command; and retired U.S. Air Force General James A. Abrahamson, who served as director of President Reagan's "Star Wars" Strategic Defense Initiative.

The company touts such major customers as Dulles airport near Washington, as well as Los Alamos National Laboratories (where former scientist Wen Ho Lee pleaded guilty to improperly downloading nuclear weapons design secrets).

KuwAm Corp.: The investment company, with roots in Kuwait (the country "liberated" by President Bush's Gulf War), is a large backer of Stratasec. Stratasec chief executive Wirt Walker also is a managing director of KuwAm. And KuwAm chairman Mishal Yousef Saud Al Sabah also sits on Stratasec's board.
http://www.sptimes.com/News/102900/Business/Influence_and_bailout.shtml
and for a little added oomph....

From 1993 to 2000, Bush sat on the board of Stratasec (now Securacom), which had security contracts at the World Trade Center until it was destroyed on September 11, 2002. Around the time he left the Securacom board, Bush joined the board of World Trade Center insurer HCC Insurance. Bush still serves on HCC's advisory board. Marvin Bush and HCC CEO Stephen Way resigned from the board of Fresh Del Monte Produce in late 2002. Their resignations came after minority investors alleged that the company’s Palestinian owners bribed the former chair of the company into selling Del Monte to them at a fraction of its value in 1996--before Bush joined Del Monte's board. Winston is the largest investor in National Waste Services, which owns Battle Creek Landfill. Virginia environmental regulators sought to close the landfill in late 2003 for regularly exceeding its 250-ton daily garbage permit by 600 percent. Democratic Governor Mark Warner accused Republican Attorney General Jerry Kilgore, who headed the Bush-Cheney reelection campaign in Virginia, of postponing a legal hearing on the issue in October 2003. Counterpunch magazine reported that Winston Partners owns more than 3.5 million shares of Sybase, Inc., which markets software to banks to comply with anti-terrorist-money-laundering provisions of the post September 11 USA Patriot Act, which Marvin's brother signed into law in October 2001. Sybase received more than $28 million in federal contracts in fiscal year 2002. Partner Scott Andrews sits on the boards of several companies that Winston invests in, including AMSEC Corp. (a gun and safe maker that got $29 million in federal contracts in fiscal 2002), temp agency Hobart West and TechnoBrands. Techno paid $200,000 in 2002 to Federal Trade Commission charges that it made false and misleading claims about its weight-loss and hair-growth products. Winston also invests in sock manufacturing with Pioneer Ray Hunt. In a bizarre 2003 incident, a live-in babysitter at Marvin Bush’s home was killed when her car, which apparently was in gear, rolled over her.


http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/ContributorsAndPaybacks/pioneer_profile.cfm?pioneer_ID=869
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:45 PM
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14. HERE is the ORIGINAL report... Don't get the details wrong!!!
The story was broken by Margie Burns.

Most people repeating this stuff since end up corrupting her information and turning M. Bush into the CEO, or writing Securacom was the main WTC security contractor, etc.

In fact, M. Bush was an S. director only through 2000, his cousin also involved. And the interesting part is that the company though a minor contractor would therefore learn a great deal about the security system at WTC.

Exhaustive version including details on all WTC contracts, revenues, etc. etc.
http://www.physics911.ca/Burns:_Security,_Secrecy,_and_a_Bush_Brother

Shorter version
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/burns/030204_BushFamilyCompanyHandledSecurity.htm

A wiki version
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marvin_Bush

See also
MARVIN BUSH EMPLOYEE'S MYSTERIOUS DEATH – Connections to 9/11?
Washington Post Sits on Story for a Week
by Wayne Madsen
(Special to From The Wilderness)
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101003_bush_death.html
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 04:33 AM
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22. Thanks. I was about to clear this stuff up.
Thanks for saving me the time.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:47 PM
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15. google Marvin Bush
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