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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:55 PM
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Question for New Yorkers--Has their been much local coverage of WTC#7?
I've seen absolutely nothing on it on national media.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:16 PM
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1. Why would you expect coverage of WTC7? nt
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:22 PM
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2. The collapse of building in it's own footprint --and the cause being ...
hit by flying debris--seems too big a story too be kept quiet in NYC.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:30 AM
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11. I suspect it is quiet because they trust the NYFD ..
Deputy Chief Peter Hayden:

but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.



http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayd ...

Deputy Chief Nick Visconti:

I don’t know how long this was going on, but I remember standing there looking over at building 7 and realizing that a big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side.





http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/visc ...


Battalion Chief John Norman:


From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. .... but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.

We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what’s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.




http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/norm ...


Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.



http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyl


http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-81.pdf

page 165


One Battalion Chief coming from the building indicated that they had searched floors 1 through 9 and found that the building was clear.390 In the process of the search, the Battalion Chief met the building’s Fire Safety Director and Deputy Fire Safety Director on the ninth floor. The Fire Safety Director reported
that the building’s floors had been cleared from the top down. By this time, the Chief Officer responsible for WTC 7 reassessed the building again and determined that fires were burning on the following floors:
6, 7, 8, 17, 21, and 30.391 No accurate time is available for these actions during the WTC 7 operations; however, the sequence of event indicates that it occurred during a time period from 12:30 p.m. to
approximately 2:00 p.m.

The Chief Officer then met with his command officer to discuss the building’s condition and FDNY’s capabilities for controlling the building fires. A Deputy Chief who had just returned from inside the
building reported that he had conducted an inspection up to the 7th or 8th floor.392 He indicated that the stairway was filling with smoke and that there was a lot of fire inside the building. The chiefs discussed the situation and the following conditions were identified:

• The building had sustained damage from debris falling into the building, and they were not sure about the structural stability of the building.

• The building had large fires burning on at least six floors. Any one of these six fires would have been considered a large incident during normal FDNY operations.

• There was no water immediately available for fighting the fires.

• They didn’t have equipment, hose, standpipe kits, tools, and enough handie talkies for conducting operations inside the building.

At approximately, 2:30 p.m., FDNY officers decided to completely abandon WTC 7, and the final order was given to evacuate the site around the building. 395, 396 The order terminated the ongoing rescue
operations at WTC 6 and on the rubble pile of WTC 1. Firefighters and other emergency responders were withdrawn from the WTC 7 area, and the building continued to burn. At approximately 5:20 p.m., some three hours after WTC 7 was abandoned the building experienced a catastrophic failure and collapsed.

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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:32 PM
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3. Um, because it's newsworthy?
Oh but you're right, 47-story skyscrapers fall down all the time all over the world, so I guess it's really not newsworthy after all.


Btw, do you get paid salary or by the hour to post on here?
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:41 PM
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4. Either paid or by the byte /nt
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:57 PM
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7. Only steal & concrete framed highrise collapse by fire in history
It doesn't even pass the bullshit test...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4261315.stm

Several top floors have slumped onto lower ones, and Madrid fire chief Javier Sanz told local radio the 106m (350ft) tall building was still unstable.

"It is clear the structure has been damaged and has suffered high temperatures, and we cannot be certain that a pillar, girder or some other structural element will not collapse," he said.


Did it collapse NO!

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hs=HW7&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22Windsor+Building%22+Madrid+fire+News&btnG=Search
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:27 AM
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9. self deleted
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 07:31 AM by hack89
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:40 AM
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12. First off, there was a partial collapse ..
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 08:00 AM by hack89
and secondly, I missed the part where it suffered massive structural damage before the fires started. Note that it was only the steel portions that collapsed. The fact that the building was mainly concrete is the only thing that prevented a total collapse.


A large portion of the floor slabs above the 17th Floor progressively collapsed during the fire when the unprotected steel perimeter columns on the upper levels buckled and collapsed (see Figure 1)


http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/CaseStudy/HistoricFires/BuildingFires/default.htm
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:28 AM
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10. I was wondering if there were any new developments
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 07:40 AM by hack89
that's all. I see that it is still the same old stuff.

Hourly.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:22 PM
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6. The NYC media are up to their eyeballs in 9/11
and that includes the mayor, who runs a huge news operation, the NYT, Time Warner, Hearst, and so on.

So New Yorkers are a little behind the curve on 9/11, or at least some are.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:02 AM
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8. Another factor: There was a news blackout on 9/11
As I recall that day, fleeing lower Manhattan for Brooklyn, when I got home there was surprisingly very little news because most of the local television broadcast antennas were actually on the north tower. So there were a lot of blank stations, even on cable.

I don't recall seeing WTC 7 fall that afternoon on TV. I think a lot of the video that is now available on the net was basically being broadcast into the ether without many in NY actually seeing it. In other words, you could see it in other parts of the country, but if my memory serves me it was difficult to see in New York itself.
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