"Who Killed John O'Neill" video -something new?

it looks like this was made in 2004, but I've never seen it before, so I apologize if anybody has posted this here before. Ty Rauber made it and it has one actor playing all the parts -a conspiracy theorist, a paranoid "they're after us" type, an OCTer, a philospher and they are all discussing 911-it's kind of like this forum. He ties Kroll, CIA, AIG together, speculated that Kroll is a sort of privatized CIA, running on drug money but able to do what the CIA can't because they aren't allowed. Some of this relates to the Hopsicker story. Why are these Kroll types anti terrorism experts; where do they get the information? Then they show how people move between these corporations and CIA . Doesn't spend a lot of time on the hows and why's of the actual day, more about drugs insurance companies/CIA and the piece de resistance -what Al Qaeda really is and what Mohammed Atta's function was, his opinion will make a lot of sense as to Atta's behavior -I won't ruin it for you , but I will give more info if someone doesn't have time to watch it. I'm interested in what you guys think

This is all for the same video , I gave different links in case some didn't work:

http://www.wkjo.com/
or
http://whokilledjohnoneill.com/

Movie Downloads:
http://www.wkjo.com/downloads.html

Mirrors:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4755449627173127935
http://www.archive.org/details/Who_Killed_John_ONeill
http://ia300135.us.archive.org/1/items/Who...ed_John_ONeill/

(urls thanks to post at let'sroll911)

I need to go to bed as it is late here, but, I intend to do some serious reading of your links tomorrow.

I gave different links in case some of them didn't work. I'm up late again, too.

It's a good video, I think.

I thought it was very unique in the way it was done, and it contained a huge amount of information. so much info, that it was sometimes difficult to process it all.

The info in the film is actually pretty frightening -- and, it left me feeling a little hopeless.

I had never seen this film, so I appreciate the find.

looks like I might be able to see this by midnight. I saw a site "jewsagainstzionism" what's up with that?I
thought all jews were zion. Israel= mother-land= zion.. I am out of the loop regarding jews-zion-likuders. can anyone enlighten me?
Thanks miranda for the new o'neil video. I saw on PBS a documentary about John O'Neil and how close he was to the inner workings of al-queda/osama and when he was set up for dismissal for allowing his briefcase to be stolen from a meeting which he attended with other FBI types.
John O'Neil knew something "BIG" was gonna happen. How right he was.

see you later with my opinion of this video.

jimmy

the video, FWIW and the video doesn't involve or even mention Israel, zionism, and or Jews just in case someone starts making racism accusations. It is strictly U.S. corporations & different government & intelligence agencies, and the ISI. I think that site, whatever it is, hosts the video or something, but it is unrelated. .
Zionism is the support for Israel or maybe a sort of Jewish nationalism. It doesn't refer to the actual Jewish people. So it's like the difference between the American people and American as a country, not all us of support what this country does.
I didn't have any problem with the video, DiD, I'm sorry you're having a hard time, it's good, I think you'll like it.

as to jewsagainstzion. Its puzzling to me how jews can be against zion. My impression (belief) was the zionism is the love of Israel and since all Israeli's are jewish it kind of confused me and still does but I don't want to go there.
That video I tried downloading quit/crashed on me after 5 minutes of viewing. Earlier I attempted to link with QT and got an ActiveX pop up. The last time I did that (clicked ok)my computer froze and went through contortions (lol) and I needed to call tech help. I was afraid of that tonight so I'll try another of your links.
I spend a lot of time viewing videos from terrorize.dk. I see "flashes" that no doubt were linear shaped charges/thermite cutter charges or even some new high tech explosives. When I watch the videos I repeat it maybe 5-10 times. I just spotted this new flash http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem1/index2.php
look down to the third row (2 windows)on the left look close and see the flash. Many more on other camera angles.
also this page http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem3/ look at the 5 windows the one on the right (5th) look down the north side of WT2 at the building's edge. I see flashes in coordination exactly
like a controlled demolition.
there are others including a flash from the south side of WT7 although grainy and smokey a flash is seen on the upper floor of WT7
One more thing. Were you aware of the 5 Israeli students (mossad spy's) who were videotaping the attacks in NYC from across the Hudson River? They were lated arrested and spent 60 days in custody before being deported back to Israel. Why no MSM coverage? Why no release of that video? Why the silence?
Let me go try another link and watch John O'Neil..

see you later

I meant the people who are always looking for something to "jump on". I get that stupid ActiveX thing, on a lot of videotapes too, I can't figure out how to get around it.
I'll check your video's out too, there hasn't been a good "flash" conversation in a long time.

check out this flash,the clip is just 3-4 seconds but I countd 3 flashes. put all doubts to rest as to what they are, detonations.
check this out.

http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem25/index.php?url=911.wtc.2.implosion.sw.flashes.high.up.flv&p=1#player

there are 11 videos here. spend some time and watch them.

http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem25/

is support for the state of Israel 'by any means necessary' (including violence, war) - which to certain Jews is blasphemy. In Israel there is considerable opposition to zionist policies - as in the US there is considerable opposition to US policies...
As with so many things, there are significant facts and events in the world that don't get much airtime.

Not that i "want to go there", but i do urge you to look into it.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Israel contains all faiths and has massive Christian and Muslim quarters within the Holy City of Jerusalem.

Just a note for ya.

for being an anti-Semite. He had a particular axe to grind here.

that the film pretty accurately portrayed some of the dynamics we see in this forum, FWIW.

I had never seen that one. A plethora of information.
Once again we see Paul Thompson's fine research coming through. A clever artistic presentation as well. I agree with one of the points made early on in the film where they say that whether or not 911 was an inside job, the CIA bears responsibility for it by funding and building radical Islam through the Mujahedeen and the ISI.

Another strong case made without going into the physical evidence. Thumbs up for the approach.
:thumbsup:

There was no discussion of Zionism in the film so I'm not sure
why there are links stating that.

well maybe a little on cd, and wtc 7, but I found it very convincing and I noticed they credited the timeline at the end. I like the idea too, that the CIA is responsibe through the creation of radical Islam . Why is there no accountability? Instead they are allowed to continue in their secretive activities at our expense which is only going to lead to more of this.

I'll add that he links al qaeda with drug running. It's interesting if you've stopped watching tv, watch this instead.

I like the part that it wasn't that much about physical evidence which is basically the topic here in the forum and the sad part is that it will rarely proof or disproof any theory, so both MIHOP and OCT are mainly unproven based on physical evidence.

I loved that part about OKC, because it really doesn't make sense that it wasn't al-Qaeda, since there are clues to some Islamic networks as well yet they remained unexplored in the official investigation which was just as sloppy as 9/11.

It was your comment on the Hopsicker 5,5t story which made it really interesting, because this story with al-Qaeda as a drug cartel + Hopsicker's Atta investigation + 5,5t story + Skyway's previous 2 ton bust in 1999 in Paris makes it something worth considering. The whole Mena to Venice story makes sense.

The involvement of the Saudis would then be explained as their jihad against the heathen infidels by controlling their drug trade; for the War Party it would be Shackley's Third Option. It also explains why Osama bin Laden was chosen as the leader of the pack.



And we don't even have to talk about concrete cores or whether Atta was flying the planes or whether it was a missile or a Boeing which hit the Pentagon... because those are mere details.

P.S. If we can't have an independent 9/11 investigation, who about an independent investigation into John O'Neill.

Short summary Mon June 26, 2006:

Meet the CIA of the 21st century. Privatized, independent and hidden from view.

AIG as Money Laundering Inc.

Marsh as Terrorism Inc.

Kroll as the privatized CIA Inc.

al-Cokeda as the drug dealers in the flight school who are later called terrorists in the OCT.

Ownership:

American International Group = Maurice "Hank" Greenberg
Marsh & McLennan = Jeffrey Greenberg
Ace = Evan Greenberg (not featured in the story thus far)
al-Cokeda probably run by Adnan Khashoggi

Kroll always had AIG as shareholder and is currently part of Marsh.

Possible teams for 9/11:

October 11, 2001 Marsh established specialized terrorism team called Marsh Crisis Consultancy
The following teams were added to it: Control Risks Group, a British ex-SAS team and Versar homeland defense team. The same group could have known each other from 9/11

Kroll has military team in their company and merged with Armor Holdings on August 23rd thus adding Defence Systems Limited, another Private Military Corporation, to their operations, an ex-KGB team called Alpha Firm was earlier acquired by Defence Systems Limited.

That makes at least four teams which could have been used on 9/11.
Additional teams from the military could have been used as well.

They had the means to do this.

Marsh had full control on WTC1 where they occupied all floors.

Marsh had the top floor of the WTC2 "impact" and could have worked their way down, however the main occupant was Fuji bank with whom AIG did a lot of work and also featured in Iran-Contra.

WTC7 contained a CIA office and Kroll and AIG are very closely related to the CIA and it is very likely that Kroll is the privatized version of the CIA

The Pentagon was of course under their own control.

They had the opportunity to do this.

AIG/Kroll/Marsh are closely connected to the Bush administration, to Henry Kissinger.

AIG/Kroll/Marsh are also closely related to the Intelligence Community.

AIG/Kroll/Marsh capitalized on 9/11 and it was good for their business.

AIG was laundering drug money for al-Cokeda.

AIG was involved in the oil and gas line to Afghanistan

There is reason to believe that the Taliban either cut back on the drug trade or that they went into business for themselves. Either way the flow of heroin from Afghanistan was drastically limited.

Greenberg and Khashoggi had a business relation and benefited for the narcotics from Afghanistan and had interest in the oil and gas line as well

They had motive to do this.

DrDebug,

What were the 3 companies who insured the WTC?

AIG, MMC and ACE. All run by Greenbergs at the time.

They then sold stakes of the original contract to their competition, a process called reinsuring. Once the towers came down, the reinsurers got caught holding the bag.

Note: Who mortgaged the WTC? The Blackstone Group, headed by Peter J. Peterson, current head of the CFR. The Blackstone Group bought into Kroll in 93 at the same time as AIG took majority control. Henry Kissenger sits on the board of the Blackstone Group.

Ty Rauber

http://wkjo.com
wkjo@deadartfilms.com

Basically grab 4-5 paragraphs of the original story and mark out the keywords with bolding because that's easy for glance reading. Add the source. I already see that Blackstone once again ties in AIG and Kissinger and featured in Enron as well. Enron was probably a similar fraud game played by the same group of friends and people discovering Enron might look at AIG as well.





Blackstone is interesting because it ties Northrop Grumman in the diagram which is at the heart of the Military Industrial Coplex. It doesn't proof that they are directly involved, but they did benefit as well.

Peterson ties in with CFR, Federal Reserve and was a former CEO of Lehman Brothers who was one of the "victims" in 9/11 as well as one of the insider traders. Swarzman once again goes to Lehman Brothers.

It is a bit weird that Ace, part of American Insurance Greenberg, was a reinsurer, however the amount was limited for Ace as well as XL Insurance - used to be strategic partners and are currently wholely owned by AIG ( www.sovereignbermuda.com/Downloads/Sov_changstructure06.pdf ) and also in Bermuda of course - due to a very strange clause called WilProp.

I wonder how the insurance companies fit in with Marsh, etc.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/430203p-362693c.html

What I don't get is why the insurance companies did not investigate.

Unlike that AIG/Kroll/Marsh thing the Port Authority-Silverstein game was known from the beginning and was very transparant.

XL and Ace were part of the Greenberg cartel and they had a special clause to protect against the double whammy and it was a small amount compared to the others. They were also quickly friends again. Maybe it was a bit of laundry for them.

The others did try to fight a bit and they were different. Swiss Re was the main one and there was immense inside trading on that company. Then again it didn't fight too hard either which is weird since they had to cough up billions. They are direct competition of AIG and are the largest reinsurer (not insurer) in the world with a revenue of $35 billion Swiss Francs.

Allianz AG is even stranger, because one of their US companies is Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (from Huffman Aviation) which is very closely connected to the CIA and even shares the same floor as Marsh. Allianz is the biggest corporation in the world based on revenue with $130 billion (sic!) revenue a year only some like Microsoft, Exxon and the other sisters are more profitable. So on the outside they appear to be competition, but maybe they are not.

Maybe they are a bit like Josef Ackermann of the Deutsche Bank who is in every secret society you can think of and probably comparable to Henry Kissinger or the David Rockefeller as far connections goes. Especially since Allianz is even bigger.

Some sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allianz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Reinsurance

US competitor:

Chubb. Did reinsurance. Was also an inside trader (totally weird??)

Global competitors (AIG is #3):

Allianz. #1 global insurance company. Was not an inside trader. Was being traded heavily. Did reinsurance. Fireman's Fund with the Huffman connection doesn't make sense though.

AXA SA. #2 global insurance company. Was not a reinsurer. Was traded heavily in France since they own more than 25% of American Airlines so it was a double treat and many vultures descended on AXA. The weird thing is of course that they had a good feast themselves as well, so maybe AIG did inform them, especially since they are the biggest owner of American Airlines. (They should change the name to French Airlines)

Reinsurance competitor:

Swiss Re. #1 reinsurance company. Was being traded heavily. (60 times normal). Swiss Re did not participate

They are more coordinating groups where all the politicians, bankers, corporate CEOs can conspire together with their big plans, but they are slightly weaker links.

The same applies to Le Cercle - secret group of global spooks often refered to as the Bilderberg of Spies - who undoubtly have been used to coordinate the various spook organizations. ( http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/organisations/Le_Cercle.htm )

The weak point is that those are not direct link, but more membership issues and places where the partners in 9/11 would have met and conspired, however the direct links are the strong evidence. Just like Paul Bremer, William H.T. Bush and Porter Goss - co-chair Joint 9/11 Intelligence Inquiry - are joined in the Fence club since Yale.

DrDebug,

Why worry about remote controlled airplanes, thermite, etc., when we can concentrate on what can be proven? I.E. The financial trail. The associations. The relationships between people, corporations and government officials. It is these details that can be proven and they do not take an engineering degree to understand.

Ty Rauber

http://wkjo.com
wkjo@deadartfilms.com

:toast:

Yeah, I think I'll keep the planes optional for now. I love no-planes though, because they are not required.

We have documentation on the major issues now. It's a bit messy, but people can start to summarize etc.

What is it about risk management that keeps popping up? I see it in relation to P-tech, Marsh, Kroll, it's one of those coincidences.

When Poppy was made DCI in 1976, the first thing he did was the privatize as much as possible, because the Church Committee wanted Congressional oversight for the CIA and Poppy wanted to keep things hidden.
So Election Fraud went to NED ( National Endowment for Democracy ).
Psyops went to Rendon Group, because they did a beautiful job during the invasion of Panama.
He started the privatized airplanes with James R. Bath and if you just check the Amnesty International Report on the CIA rendition flight, you'll notice that it is already dozens of companies.

So that's the point, they want to put their dirtiest parts in NGOs and semi-legitimate companies and this is probably just one of those. And Risk Management means managing the risks they can take, because Brazil is quite a corrupt country so if you manage to pull of the biggest scam in the history of Brazil, it'll mean that you've achieved something...

And a bonus is that you can operate on a global scale without any government interference, because those national intelligence agencies were a pain in the ass for true global control.

Yuri Yasenev, "Rossiyu zhdet oranzhevaya revolytsiya" ("An Orange Revolution is in Store for Russia"), ru.compromat. Cf. Robert I. Friedman, Red Mafiya: How the Russian Mob Has Invaded America (Boston: Little Brown, 2000), 265:

"Astonishingly, both the (George H.W.) Bush and the Clinton administrations have unwittingly helped foster the Russian mob and the untrammeled corruption of post-Soviet Union Russia. When the CIA was asked in 1992 by Kroll and Associates, working on behalf of the Russian government, to help locate $20 billion that was hidden offshore by the KGB and the mob, the Bush national security team declined to cooperate. The Bush group rationalized, according to Fritz Ermarth, a top CIA policy analyst writing in The National Interest, "that capital flight is capital flight. It doesn't matter who has the money or how it was acquired even if by theft; so long as it is private, it will return to do good things if there was a market."

http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/global-drug.htm

So they can work on behalf on other governments as well. There is a lots of interesting info about the Russian drug trade in that document BTW. Lots of Saudi control as well. (Adnan Khashoggi?)

You know people who are posting on messageboards on behalf of companies etc... spammers...

And they didn't give a fuck about killing 295 of their own employees!

On October 11, 2001 Marsh established a crisis consulting practice specializing in terrorism, with Ambassador L. Paul Bremer as Chairman. Marsh also announced a partnership with Control Risks Group LLC to provide political risk assessment.

On October 14, 2004 the New York State Office of Attorney General Eliot Spitzer announced that it had commenced a civil action against Marsh for steering clients to preferred insurers with whom the Company maintained lucrative payoff agreements, and for soliciting rigged bids for insurance contracts from the insurers. The Attorney General announced in a release that two AIG executives pleaded guilty to criminal charges in connection with this illegal course of conduct and stated, "There is simply no responsible argument for a system that rigs bids, stifles competition and cheats customers." Former CEO Jeffrey W. Greenberg resigned several weeks later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_%26_McLennan_Companies

Found the terrorists! Bremer played a key part. Damn it! How can we proof this!

didn't investigate Silverstein 's claim much is because they were going to have so much revenue coming in as a result of the "terrorist attacks". A little off topic but related.

The first you have to remember is that there are two parts to these entities, a black part and a white part. The white part is significantly larger than the black part and therefore the other department doesn't seem to exist for the outside world.

Insurance industries are wonderful for things like that, because they are very succesful and make lots of money, it is easy to add an anti-insurance, ie. MIHOP department, to it. It's really through the looking glass. So terrorism and anti-terrorism are combined in the same entity.

Since the anti-terrorism will grower rapidly when you apply the terrorism part, it means that the anti-part is always many times larger than the real objective and it becomes incredibly difficult to spot if you look at the words directly, so look at it in normal context and then look at it in the anti context.

but it gets poo-pooed. Paul Bremer, eh? good find. This is running parallel to the Pentagon and their legal troubles with the missing money. We can figure out their motivation (to get rid of evidence) (plus the big picture war-in iraq). Groves said that the Marsh people in that meeting who were hit were complaining about the funny business (money laundering?) that was going on. These guys are all interconnected, but I'm not sure I see a clear connection for marsh.

I think that focusing on the Pentagon is less relevant right now. The point with the Pentagon is that it was military so even less is known what happened there, however it is the same strategy.

I've received assurances that we are definitely on the right track, however this needs time, because I get the feeling that we have taken lots of steps all at once. This was not a gentle evolution of a CT, but more a puzzle where all the pieces suddenly clicked together.

Marsh is by far the darkest of the subdivisions. The have the subdivision which are capable of doing massive projects like WTC and 7-7 and they really had a feast in Iraq where they could get their dark fantasies roam wild.

The people in that meeting are very important. What was it about? Because they killed off 20% of their workforce at WTC and some of them were some stupid people who worked for the white part of the company, however most of them were there intentionally. They're a bunch of sociopaths.

Because I'm a researcher, however I'm not a great writer. So I have created this flyer for the basic points, however we need some sort of overview of this stuff. I have decided to go full looney CT with this, because even though al-Cokeda is very nice and very well documented, we have already have the pieces of the puzzle.

Another thing is that the video needs to be transcribed or whatever. Because it contains all the info and is very detailed and is the result of outstanding research.

Soon. I promise. I will let you all know. Then you can give me a hand linking it up with all the research.

Ryan and I originally wanted to do a QuickTime version with links at the bottom of the screen, like subtitiles. When you click on a link, the movie pauses and opens the browser to the associated research. But by the time we got done with post-production, we just needed to launch it. If people want to help link up the research, I would be open to building the QuickTime file integrating it all.

Best Wishes,

Ty Rauber

http://wkjo.com
wkjo@deadartfilms.com

Personally I'm not that fond on QuickTime, Flash etc. It makes it very complex and doesn't allow searching. Plain text is by far the easiest for documentation. For example I don't use QuickTime anymore, because it's crashy software. I prefer Media Player Classic which can play QuickTime without the Apple bugs and update stuff.

AIG is the biggest of them and partially owns the others as well
Marsh has outgrown Kroll, so it swallowed it.
Kroll was Poppy's privatized CIA, but then without pathetic restrictions.

The CEO of AIG was destined to become DCI in 1975, however Clinton gave the job to John Deutch and Deutch made a mess, because the Church Committee Investigation into the CIA started and they discovered all kinds of dirty deals. So Poppy was made replacement of Deutch and started to privatize all the dirty parts. Most know about NED and Rendon group, however the real CAI was unknown to most. I guess we now have our candidate.

It seems like Kroll is the new variant of the CIA. Only better, because hardly anybody knows ;)
JM/WAVE was the old dirty tricks team. Langley didn't want those people on their place either, so they were moved to Miami. So for the "Terror" you need another company and I am pretty sure that Marsh is the choice, since their offices got blown first and it is better to do the first test inside ;)

We have the following team:
- al-Cokeda (drug) = drug dealers which are called terrorist in the OCT.
- AIG (money) = mainly wash and dry.
- Marsh (terror) = partially wash and dry as well, however combined with JM/WAVE.
- Kroll (intelligence) = CIA

I am looking whether Paul Bremer's department is the new JM/WAVE, so the dirty team. It would have meant that both Goss and Bremer who went to same secret club in college were running the shows during quite a while, so it makes sense as well.

(I had to look that one up)
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php?title=JM_WAVE&redirect=no
In the meantime, the JM/WAVE-Miami station complex was growing rapidly to become the largest of Langley's many satellites. Its center was at the former Richmond Naval Air Station south of Miami, which had been a base for antisubmarine blimps during World War II. During the years after the failure of the Bay of Pigs, this complex had as many as 3,000 Cuban agents and subagents, with a small army of case officers to direct and look after each one. According to one account, there were at least 55 dummy corporations to provide employment, cover, and commercial disguise for all these operatives. There were detective bureaus, gun stores, real estate brokerages, boat repair shops, and party boats for fishing and other entertainments. There was the clandestine Radio Swan, later renamed Radio Americas. There were fleets of specially modified boats based at Homestead Marina, and at other marinas throughout the Florida Keys. Agents were assigned to the University of Miami and other educational institutions.

The raison d'être of the massive capability commanded by Theodore Shackley was now Operation Mongoose, a program for sabotage raids and assassinations to be conducted on Cuban territory, with a special effort to eliminate Fidel Castro personally. In order to run these operations from US territory, flagrant and extensive violation of federal and state laws was the order of the day. Documents regarding the incorporation of businesses were falsified. Income tax returns were faked. FAA regulations were violated by planes taking off for Cuba or for forward bases in the Bahamas and elsewhere. Explosives moved across highways that were full of civilian traffic. The Munitions Act, the Neutrality Act, the customs and immigrations laws were routinely flaunted. Above all, the drug laws were massively violated as the gallant anti-communist fighters filled their planes and boats with illegal narcotics to be smuggled back into the US when they returned from their missions. By 1963, the drug-running activities of the covert operatives were beginning to attract attention. JM/WAVE, in sum, accelerated the slide of south Florida towards the status of drug and murder capital of the United States it achieved during the 1980's, when it became as notorious as Chicago during Prohibition.
My comments: and enter to Jeb Bush to "manage" it all.

The Crisis Consulting Practice of Marsh, Inc. (Marsh Crisis Consulting) is "an operating company of Marsh & McLennan Companies (MMC). Marsh's Crisis Consulting Practice provides services to corporations to help them plan for, manage and recover from a full range of crises such as natural disasters, product recalls, workplace violence and terrorism."

http://www.mmc.com/news/newsOperatingCompanies_bremer_06_02.php

Management:
L. Paul Bremer is Chairman and CEO. Bremer has served as Chairman of the Marsh Political Risk Practice from 2000 until present. Bremer was Ambassador-at-Large for Counterterrorism in 1986 and even played with Bio-Terror for a while. In 2003 he was put in charge of Iraq.

Former head was Craig Roberts Stapleton who is married to President George W. Bush's cousin Dorothy.

John Copenhaver is the senior vice president of Marsh Crisis Consulting and was Regional Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He played a key role in the Sept. 11 emergency management team in New York City this past fall.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Crisis_Consulting_Practice_of_Marsh%2C_Inc.

Now this is the beauty of keeping things in companies. They needed to expand since they were going to have some fun. So they merge with the top UK team. A lot easier...

MARSH FORMS CRISIS CONSULTING PRACTICE UNDER AMBASSADOR L. PAUL BREMER

"NEW YORK, October 11, 2001 - Marsh Inc. / Marsh, Inc., (...) Concurrently, Marsh and Control Risks Group LLC / Control Risks Group LLCjointly announced an agreement to provide a full range of political risk assessment services for clients' worldwide operations.

Their merger partners for Afghanistan and later Iraq:
Control Risks Group
Control Risks Group, based out of London, was founded in 1975 as a subsidiary of the Hogg Robinson insurance and travel group, becoming the first company to provide advice to clients involved in kidnap situations. The company began with the hiring of three SAS officers: Maj. David Walker, Arish Turle, and Simon Adams-Dale. Walker would go on to co-found Saladin Security and Keenie Meenie Services of Iran/Contra noteriety. Turle would go on to co-found the Risk Advisory Group after a stint at Kroll, Inc.'s office in London

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Control_Risks_Group_LLC

Lewis Paul Bremer III went to Yale with William Henry Trotter Bush, brother George H.W. Bush, and Porter Goss where all three became member of the Fence Club. In 1966 he started out in Kabul, Afghanistan and from 1968 to 1971 Blantyre, Malawi. (1)

Bremer was assistant to Henry Kissinger from 1972 to 76. Deputy Chief of Mission in Oslo from 1976-79 and 1981 becomes Special Assistant to Alexander Haig. He played a minor side role in Iran-contra with Oliver North in the Operations Sub-Group at the NSC. (1)

Ronald Reagan appointed Bremer as Ambassador to the Netherlands in 1983 and Ambassador-at-Large for Counterterrorism in 1986. In 1989 he becomes managing director at Kissinger and Associates and later becomes CEO of Marsh Crisis Consulting. In 1999 he becomes chairman of the National Commission on Terrorism. (1)

It is unclear where he was on 9/11. Neverthless it is clear that he wasn't in his office and his team was in WTC 2 on the floors at and above where the second aircraft hit, so they suffered no casualties. A couple of days later Marsh makes a press release: "accelerated plans to launch a new consulting unit to capitalize on heightened corporate fears of terrorism" (5)

Even though his office is a pile of rubble, they are rapidly expanding their operations and not soon after his division merges with Control Risks Group LLC and Versar, a bioterrorism and homeland defense services firm on October 11th and 19th respectively. (2)

In late 2001, along with Edwin Meese, Bremer co-chaired the Heritage Foundation's Homeland Security Task Force, which created a blueprint for the White House's Department of Homeland Security. President Bush appointed Bremer in May 2003 as the chief executive authority in Iraq. (1)

In his role as head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, he reported only to the U.S. Secretary of Defense and exercised authority over Iraq's civil administration. He served in this capacity from May 11, 2003 until limited Iraqi sovereignty was restored on June 28, 2004. (1)
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His career gets an enormous lift after serving for Kissinger and Al Haig. Very little is known about Paul Bremer and he doesn't seem to do anything important. He is described as "old boy network ... unqualified and incompetent" (3), or "when I first heard Bremer’s name mentioned last week, I drew a complete blank" (4)

All he talks about is terror, attacks, biological warfare etc. and is nicknamed the "Voice of Doom" with pre-9/11 statements like:

In 1998: "bin Laden and his associates hate America, its values and its culture and proudly declare themselves to be at war with us" (8)

In 1999: "catastrophic terrorism ... in the event of a catastrophic attack ... tens of thousands of casualties, where the American people are going to be screaming for a response, that a President is going to want to consider using the military in some fashion ... the example we use is Pearl Harbor ... (7)

In 2000, he warned in congressional testimony of possible terror attacks, such as a radioactive release that "made 10 miles of Chicago's waterfront uninhabitable for 50 years". (6)

And two days after 9/11 gives the following speech: "This time the terrorists and their supporters must be crushed. But we must avoid a mindless search for an international 'consensus' for our actions.." (5)

His 1999 NCT report mentions overturning Posse Comitatus Act (4)

He starts out as just somebody in the Foreign Service, however after being assistent to Herny Kissinger and Al Haig he gets first promotions and then enters the real powerbroker Kissinger. 9/11 means that his ideas plans for homeland security become reality and he goes to Iraq where he made an enormous mess.

Sources:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bremer
2. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Bremer
3. http://www.nthposition.com/pre-911intelligence.php
4. http://billmon.org/archives/000092.html
5. http://www.alternet.org/story/15864/
6. http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandDefense/hl678.cfm
7. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3006783.stm
8. http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-02-01.html

What happened in Iraq during his reign? It'll take a long time before we'll know. It was probably a catastrophic success.

Is Bremer the new Ted Shackley in JM/WAVE, because they've put Bremer's team in the other tower, just like Langley put their goons in Miami, because they were a bit too sociopathic for the average person... Speculation: Is Paul Bremer capable of organizing 9/11...

It's clear. Garner tried to stabilize Iraq, so Paul Bremer was send in to fuel the insurgency and much more. He was replaced by Negroponte, however Bremer was probably the first pick. He met all the qualifications.

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Iraq's "catastrophic success" is intentional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x92532



Bremer wanted to end his stay in Iraq with more enemies than he started with. He would have had the courage to organize the whole 9/11 event as well or ... he is evil enough to do it.

given access to those floors , that's another reason I thought something might be up. Except something like Fujibank bank was hit on wtc2, so....I dunno.
Also, if they wanted to take the people out who were in that meeting Groves talked about...

They planted some bombs or whatever. So WTC1 couldn't even have been a plane. That tape from the French brothers is a fake. Maybe WTC2 was hit by a plane or that is also a fake.

Isn't that cute. Most people won't even believe that. They played a very good psyops game.

And very little is known about Kroll and Marsh and if they are the CIA of the 21st century, it means that do a lot better than the old KGB-style CIA. There is hardly any information about them. And even that major Brazilian scam is buried deep, however it sounds like the CIA. Spies and Thugs.

It wasn't just the CIA though. It's clear that is a joint US-Saudi-European operation. With full government support.

:toast: I know now enough about 9/11. Sufficiently solved :toast:

Luckily nobody is going to believe that stuff...

The al-Cokeda is magnificient though and I love to promote that idea, however the Kroll/Marsh/AGI stuff. That's far too hard to get something even close to evidence...

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It just hit me, I mean I've been hearing about all the connections, but it didn't really mean anything. I got a book called 102 minutes about the last 102 minutes of the wtc, it is pretty incredible. The ridiculous planted lies (a guy finds someones clean, white flight itinery in the rubble, I mean it's bwahahaha funny.) But they chronicle most of it , you just can't hide all the true witnesses and their statements and it's very clear that something else happened than what we're lead to believe. I am going to look at Marsh and see what the jobs/positions of those who died there were. I've tried before it's kind of hard. But when I did that for the Pentagon it was "whoa!"
I also wondered if they got Patrick Fitzgerald out of there so he wouldn't go snooping around, cuz he was transferred right before that or right after.

Kroll were the control hub of the bunch, however there are more. Marsh has been expanding rapidly and even merged with Kroll. That's the advantage of this system. They can split into seperate entities. They can merge entities. They can create new ones. And nobody needs to ask Congress.

In the old days there was always a lot of bad press about the CIA connected to organized crime. That's another problem which they don't anymore, because they are now the tops of organized crime. And since each company has a white front-end, it is incredibly hard to penetrate.

The CIA as such still exists, however I doubt whether it is more than map making, factbook, image analysis etc. Stuff which could have been placed at any agency, so everything which might be embarrassing is probably out of that governmental agency already.

This is really stetching the boundries of unconnected coincidences.

I was amazed with 'Who Shot John O'Neill'....what an incredibly powerful docu-drama, particularly considering the microbudget is was made on. I agree, a lot more focus ought to be on the big picture relationships and less on the micro-issue mechanics.

I'm 100% sure that this a better picture. No planes, no missiles, just an amazing show of explosions and state of the art computer generated images and that's it. And it was done by four privatized part of the CIA.

So if you want to help to think. I've fitted Sibel Edmonds with John O'Neill and it's a perfect match. Hopsicker fits in and this thing is solid and it answers the most important question: Who did this?

Excellent find!

Bonus point:
Deutsche Bank is also one of the four banks most used by the bin Laden family.

http://complete911timeline.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-2271

But we don't spy. At least not on ourselves.


But we did sell Promis to Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden


See also:
http://educate-yourself.org/tg/TCUpromisscandal16jul03.shtml

Interesting companies marked out. Red for prime suspects.

American Airlines (involved in the planes)

American Express Corp

American International Group (involved in Kroll/Marsh/CIA)

AMR Corporation

Axa SA

Bank of America Corp (in WTC1)

Bank of New York Corp

Bank One Corp

Bear Stearns (Alan Greenberg now ACE was former CEO. Always tied up with the Bush family)

Boeing (involved in the planes)

Cigna Group

the Citigroup Inc.

CNA Financial

Carnival Corp

Chubb Group

Continental Airlines

Dean Witter & Co.

Deutsche Bank (CIA's favourite bank, since DB bought Alex Brown. Their building got partially destroyed as well. Biggest inside trader of them all)

General Motors

Genesis Intermedia (Adnan Khashoggi owner Huffman Aviation)

John Hancock Financial Services

Hercules Inc

L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.

Lehman Brothers Holdings, Inc. (In WTC1 and WTC3. Links up with Blackstone group)

Lockheed Martin Corp.

Lone Star Technologies

LTV Corporation

Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc. (In WTC1 as well as WTC2. Prime suspect in Who Killed John O'Neill.)

Martin

MetLife

Morgan Stanley (In WTC2)

Northwest Airlines

Progressive Corp.

Raytheon (In WTC2. Everybody in the building survived despite being above impact)

Royal Caribbean Cruises, Ltd.

Royal & Sun Alliance

Southwest Airlines

United Airlines (In the planes)

US Airways

Vornado Reality Trust

W.R. Grace

XL Capital Ltd. (Part of AIG.)

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/september-eleven/put-options.htm (''Additional entries added and sorted alphabetically'')

Much more scandals at:
THE MARSH BIRDS
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/MarshBirds.htm

KROLL, THE CONSPIRATOR
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/KROLL.htm

MARSH & McLENNAN’S MERCER CONSULTING
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/MM-Mercer.htm

MARSH & McLENNAN’S PUTNAM INVESTMENTS
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/MM-Putnam.htm

MARSH & McLENNAN’S TRIDENT FUNDS
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/TridentFunds.htm

It's like a combination of Enron and the CIA intermixed. Poppy's ultimate dream, an intelligence bureau which is huge and answers to no one except themselves.

Edward P. Felt (who early reports said had made the last phone call from Flight 93 while locked in the lavatory) came up last night when I was looking into bios of Flight 93 passengers for the Beamer thread.

It has been mentioned that Felt was a computer engineer, but most profiles don't note that he was a cryptologist with BEA Systems. This info comes from production notes for the "United 93" movie. Many of these are unsourced, but they are rich in detail and occasional family bitchiness is noted, such as a sneer about an ex-husband.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/movietimes/moviepn.asp?movieID=51020

I looked into BEA Systems and "risk management." I just can't penetrate the corporate technospeak on their website, maybe Dr. Debug would have better chances of seeing whether this is at all relevant.
http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=risk_mgmt.htm&FP=/content/solutions/industry/financial/

Ken Basnicki, a Canadian, died in WTC 1 while attending a financial services conference at Windows on the World for BEA Systems, for which he was a financial markets director. It was his first trip to NY. He phoned his mother from the 106th floor.
http://www.ctv.ca/special/sept11/hubs/canadian/cheney.html
http://popups.ctv.ca/content/publish/popups/war_on_terror/canadian_victims/htm_pages/victim_basnicki.htm
http://www.theeyeopener.com/storydetail.cfm?storyid=49

I'm not drawing any conclusions about either of these people, but since BEA Systems does risk management, I figured the raw information belonged here.

{Edited to add link for "United 93" movie production notes with family bios.]

It could well be connected. Bea systems only suffered 2 casualties.



Quite a number of companies must have had pre-knowledge about the attack, because they were virtually empty that day, however some didn't like Cantor Fitzgerald Securities who lost 2/3 of their employees. The same applies to Windows on the World, who was also struck hard.

It seems like BEA systems like the media on the 110th floor must have known, because there was hardly anybody there. I mean there must have been more than 2 people working for BEA systems.

I guess your point is clear. There could be more to it, because the software sounds the same as the other software.

your posts are so good. There are a lot of strange connections in 9-11 that don't seem like just coincidences.

Wonder whether that was Windows on the World as well, because that is the main occupant on that floor...

She said they were a CIA front and that they worked out of the basement of the FAA.(!!!) Did they do the software to override NORAD? From an old message, below are some notes I took from Indira Singh speaking and a link where you can listen to her yourself. (I think it is odd that she was late for the meeting, she doesn't seem like the type, I want to add (unrelated to this post)
My noter: (link below)
Former Ptech Employees had seen the hijackers and other people on terror lists pass through the ptech halls. Direct connection to 9-11.

People within the FBI have said "we will make the third reich look like a tea party" 2002

token raid; so they were no help. She has contacted people on the right and the left who

are willing to come out. whistle blowers have said 73 was scrambled in time, passengers did

not bring it down, it was shot down. ptech surveillance and intervention she was using it

for that but could it have been using it for on 911? could have been. FAA and Ptech looking

for holes in communication software to take advantage of those holes? ptech had operated

out of basement of FAA. the had log in access to flight control password to high clearance

computer info. Ptech also had access at NORAD, FBI, Air Force (you get the picture- (my

words)) keane from commission had done business with ptech and so had other commission

people conflict of interests. commission totally flawed.
you needed inside knowledge to do this ptech had that knowledge.
Ptech was a CIA front this was validated to her. All over US infrastructure, you don't get

this without higher level help. American software companies unhappy that ptech they got all

the good jobs because Saudi owned.(!) Ptech started in 1993. "shut up and go away or you

will be killed" Jp Morgan, FBI, Ptech told her that. CBS found it was not only as bad as

what she said but much worse. they were going to run story on anniversary on 911 - it got

shut down.
renamed Go Agile still going
She was fired for her trouble.
The systems response indicts them (The US). If this was a real terror attack we would be

seeing pictures of New Yorkers lungs over tv for the next 10 years. We were never shown

what it was really like.
Fed government is being looted for the game at play. Global not just America

Add- Ptech was financed by Saudis one of whom was on US terror list while having carte

blanche to major US corporations and US gov't agencies (particuliarly those involved in

911)
first -- http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=110



This is a link to a post by rman, with text below from same thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=82972&mesg_id=83453

"Who is really behind PTECH is the question. I asked that of many intelligence people who came to my aid as I was being blacklisted, and I was told, "Indira, it is a CIA clandestine op on the level of Iran-Contra."
And I have reason to believe this because Care International that was mentioned in one of the slides is a renamed version of Alkhifah which was the funding arm for WTC '93. Prior to Alkhifah it was called Maktab Al-Khidamat, which is the funding arm for the Afghani Mujahideen. It was how the monies got to Osama bin Laden through the Pakistani ISI (secret service)."

From an e-mail by Richard Grove:

Here's what i know, direct competitor of SilverStream back in the day... purchased WebLogic, the competing application server in the market. I met with the ali kutay (founder of Weblogic)'s new company (then, in 2001, called AltoWeb) in Windows on the World on September 7, 2001.

Aon Corporation is a leading provider of risk management services, insurance and reinsurance brokerage, human capital and management consulting, and specialty insurance underwriting. It was created in 1982, when the Ryan Insurance Group merged with Combined International Corporation. (Aon is the Gaelic term for "oneness".) Combined International Corporation was founded by W. Clement Stone in the late-1920s, and Ryan Insurance Group was founded by Patrick Ryan in the 1960s.

The company employs approximately 47,000 professionals in its 500 offices in more than 120 countries. Backed by broad resources, industry knowledge and technical expertise, Aon professionals help a wide range of clients develop effective risk management and workforce productivity solutions. Aon is the world's largest reinsurance broker, largest captive insurance company manager, second largest insurance brokerage (after Marsh & McLennan); and third largest employee benefits consultant.

Its New York offices were in the 99th and 100th floors of the south tower of the World Trade Center at the time of the 2001 terrorist attack. As a result, Aon lost more than 170 employees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aon_Corporation

See also:

http://www.aon.com/

http://sep11.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aon_Corporation

Sandler O'Neill and Partners is a New York City-based investment banking firm. It was founded by Thomas F. O'Neill and Herman S. Sandler. Located on the 104th floor of Two World Trade Center, it lost 67 of 180 employees in the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandler_O'Neill_and_Partners

Sandler O'Neill was a major investor in eSpeed as well.

http://news.morningstar.com/news/BW/M06/D06/20060606006206.html?pgid=qtqnPress1

Carr Futures specializes in meeting the risk management and global brokerage needs of institutional clients, while providing the value-added services that minimize the complications of today's challenging markets. At Carr, our mission is to bring a personal approach to brokerage by delivering individualized service to every client. Carr Futures is a global institutional brokerage firm headquartered in Chicago with offices located in major financial centers around the world.

http://www.futuresource.com/reference/fcms.jsp?nfaid=201812

Carr Futures was located on 92nd floor of WTC1 just below the impact area. On the morning of September 11th, the office of Carr Futures on the 92nd floor was unusually busy. A total of 68 men and women were on the floor. Carr was two floors below the impact and everyone there had survived it; yet they could not get out.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,,776403,00.html

something else to look into.

Crédit Agricole Indosuez, 666 Third Avenue, 14th Floor, New York, NY 10017
http://www.calyonfinancial.com/ (note the 666 address;))

and they merged with Lyon Credit and became Calyon:
http://www.mfainfo.org/neo_apps/article/article1.asp?article_id=1461&adate=1/1/2002
selections from web site: defense & gaming:
"Calyon is one of the top lenders to the North American Aerospace & Defense sector. The bank has a long track record with leading companies in Europe, the Americas and Asia. As a full service corporate bank, Calyon provides lending, capital raising, advisory, and risk management services to the full spectrum of aerospace & defense companies, including prime contractors, merchant suppliers, information technology & engineering companies, and MRO’s. "
"Calyon has an extended track record of lending to the gaming industry. Active in gaming finance since the 1980's, Calyon today manages a national portfolio of gaming credits through its Los Angeles branch. We have committed significant capital to numerous gaming operators.
The portfolio is diversified by market and type of operation, in that we lend to land-based, riverboat and dockside operators in: Las Vegas, Nevada; Atlantic City, New Jersey; Alton, Illinois; Biloxi, Mississippi; and elsewhere, including Native American gaming operations. "

In general, the bank prefers diversified operators with assets in multiple markets and Class III Indian gaming assets. Depending on the type of facility, Calyon arranges revolving credit, term loan, high yield and bond facilities for its clientele. We also advise on equity underwriting when deemed appropriate to specific transactions and provide letters of credit and interest rate swaps to manage related exposures.

http://www.us.calyon.com/content/gaming.asp

"Fae (fairie) Omnivorous. A Calyon is a vampyric fae of sorts, one o the hundreds of kinds of those types of fae, actually. They're immortal, like any fae, and have the height and body type of human, along with the personality. ... One curse that every Calyon carries, however, is their need for blood ..."
(I came across this definition of a "calyon" and thought it was funny especially combined with the 666 address)

Crédit Lyonnais is a French bank. It was, at a point, the largest French bank, and it was state-owned. It has been the subject of various financial scandals, which almost led to its bankruptcy in 1993.

During the 1990s, the bank was the subject of numerous financial scandals, contributing to a huge debt of around 150 billion French francs (nearly 23 billion Euros). This was caused by directors exaggerating investments and by problems with the bank's subsidiary companies. The bank's motto of the time was "Le pouvoir de dire oui", or "the ability to say 'yes'", and saying 'yes' was indeed something which the bank did rather too often.

Crédit Lyonnais notably owned the MGM movie studio for a few years, during which time Giancarlo Parretti was the chief of the studio.

Much of Crédit Lyonnais' Paris headquarters was destroyed in a major fire on May 5, 1996. The fire began in the main trading room of the bank and was one of the worst fires to damage a Paris building in 25 years. The fire burned for over 12 hours and two-thirds of the building was destroyed, along with crucial bank archives and computer data.

In 2001, Denis Robert and Ernest Backes book, Revelation, showed that Crédit Lyonnais was one of the many banks to detain unpublished accounts in Clearstream, a Luxembourg-based transaction clearing company, which has been accused by the authors of being a huge international money-laundering machine.

In the United States, Crédit Lyonnais is now known as Calyon, whereas in France, Crédit Agricole and Crédit Lyonnais maintain their separate entitites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crédit_Lyonnais

The standard operating procedure for big scandals: destroy some evidence in a "disaster" and then change the name of the company...

losing information, then changing the name...

Euro Brokers’ inter-dealer brokerage businesses generally fall into the brokerage of three broad groups of products: (i) money market products, (ii) derivative products and (iii) securities products. Within these three groups, Euro Brokers specializes in the inter-dealer brokerage of the following:

Money market products: cash deposits and other money market instruments

Derivative products: interest rate and credit derivatives

Securities products: emerging market debt and related products, various other fixed income securities (including convertible bonds, U.S. Treasury securities and federal agency bonds) and U.S. Treasury, federal agency and mortgage-backed repurchase agreements

http://www.ebi.com/

Euro Brokers is part of Tradesoft Technologies who offer integrated risk management.

http://www.tradesoft.com/ordermanagement.asp

Euro Brokers lost 61 of 65 employees and was located on 84th floor of WTC2, right in the middle of the impact area.

Four employees including the vice president took the stairs downwards even though they were advised not to go down any further because the floors were on fire. They say that they survived by ignoring advice.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/19/usat-escape.htm

Every company which I find who lost a lot or most of their employees are either Risk or related to Cantor Fitzgerald. THe only others are security guards, fire men, police men and those 295 at that Marsh meeting

There are some strange losers and survivors in WTC. It makes sense that the lower floors survived, but the top floors have some anomalies as well.

Losers:

Windows on the World (Risk meeting and only a stupid restaurant)

Hotel and Restaurant Employees International (stupid restaurant)

Cantor Fitzgerald Securities + eSpeed (risk competitor)

Alliance Consulting Group (unknown yet)

CARR Futures (risk management)

Sandler O'Neill and Partners (investor in eSpeed)

AON Corporation (risk management)

Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (unknown)

Euro Brokers (risk competitor. the four survivors even got the advice not to go down)


Survivors:

American Bureau of Shipping

Dun & Bradstreet (their buddy in risk)

Banco LatinoAmericano de Exportaciones Sud America (unk.)

Lehman Brothers (inside trading)

Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (84/3000, however 37 were stupid cops so that leaves 47 including the executive director Neil D. Levin)

ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company (decided to move out one week earlier)

Bank of America (inside trading)

Deutsche Bank (inside trading)

Raytheon Company (only lost four on the "planes")

Fuji Bank (doesn't make sense, since they were right on the impact area)

Morgan Stanley (inside trading)

Seabury and Smith (part of Marsh)

Kyoto Mo (competitor of Cantor Fitzgerald)

Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (used to be owned by Willy Hilliard, owner of Huffman Aviation)

Marsh did loose 295 people (=20%). So why were they so bloody in their own company. They did a lot of inside trading, so they knew...

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Global Crossing Limited is a major telecommunications company that provides computer networking services worldwide. The company is legally domiciled in Bermuda. (1)

It rode the dot-com boom of the 1990s to incredibly high market values, only to go bankrupt a few years later. Its stock price hit a high of US $64 per share, and would eventually plunge to below $1. (1)

In January 2002, the company declared chapter 11 bankruptcy, making it the fourth largest insolvency in United States history. The restructuring of Global Crossing was being handled by the Blackstone Group (you know from the WTC/Silverstein deal)



Much much more stuff at: http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/GlobalCrossing.htm (I'm starting to love that weird site. It has all the goodies...)

It is very unclear how many worked at WTC, but I think that lots of things from that company got shreded as well that day...

There are many companies with no information in those towers. I wonder how many were virtual companies...

Fireman's Fund Insurance Company is a Novato based insurance company owned by Allianz AG (Germany). Founded June 18th 1863 (1)

Myron Du Bain, who worked alongside late ex-CIA director John McCone, used to be chairman of the Fireman's Fund Insurance Company in 1981 when the company announced plans to acquire Employers Health, an insurance company co-founded by Willy Hilliard, one of the owners of Huffman Aviation. (2)

All 190 employees on the 48th floor of WTC2 survived 9/11.

Sources:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireman's_Fund_Insurance_Company
2. http://sanderhicks.com/hilliarddub.html

More about the Myron Du Bain - Willy Hilliard connection: http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=82

Martin Progressive L.L.C. is a provider of information technology consulting services, including systems engineering, relocation services, and services to the hedge fund industry. (1)

The main office is located in London. They used to have 80 - CNN said 200 - employees on WTC1 on 9/11. Martin Progressive has been named as one of the 9/11 inside traders by the SEC (2) and had their operations up and running two days later.

Extremely pleased
One of the happier stories to come out of the horror has been that of Martin Progressive, an IT strategy and consulting firm that had more than 200 employees based in offices on the 77th floor of the World Trade Center's north tower.

"We are extremely pleased," reads a home-page message from the company's operating committee, "to announce that as of today, fully 100 percent of our staff has been accounted for. This is the best news we could have hoped for, given the tragic circumstances."

Initially, Martin Progressive used its home-page space to let people know that its operations were being temporarily run from its Chicago offices. Then, on Friday, the news was posted that temporary space has been located now in New York on 11th Street.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/trends/09/14/company.sites/index.html

Sources:
1. http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0001074073-page.html
2. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

got things running,I mean, please!

all the anti terrorism & "security" jobs that would follow, not to mention paid mercenaries to Iraq. Also it sounds like there were some people Marsh wanted to "off". It's just not cohesive enough. I think this angle has been overlooked, though.

Pure speculation:

From their line of business it appears that they are laundering drugs money and maybe were involved in covering up the inside trading which was going on during 9/11 and that is the Andrew Grove story since he was responsible for creating the software.

The software was mainly sold to Marsh & McLennan, AIG, Merrill Lynch, Deutsche Bank, Banker’s Trust, Alex Brown, Morgan Stanley. It is likely that those companies who are the heart of the banking and insurance industry received a preliminary warning explaining why they were reasonable empty at morning of September 11. It is feasable that some people in those companies did a lot of insider trading to compensate for WTC. Also many of them are tied in with the Intelligence Community (I don't think that work for is the correct term, it's more of a blur), so the lines of communication for those companies is very short.

Marsh & McLennan, AIG and Kroll could have been benefiting from the market manipulation. Marsh and Kroll certainly helped cover up the inside trading and might have benefited itself. Of course the protection racket and anti-terrorism stuff has been very good to them as well.

It still leaves the problem that there is nothing to indicate direct involvement with the attacks on the WTC and they do not seem to be the most likely candidates either. Money laundering is their game. They did let the security down and the appropriate times, however it's not the place where it was coordinated IMO.

Because she knows what happened:

Intelligence is also gathered by certain semi-legitimate organizations - to be used for their activities. It really does not boil down to countries anymore.... When you have activities involving a lot of money, you have people from different nations involved.... It can be categorized under organized crime, but in a very large scale....

There are certain points..., where you have your drug related activities combined with money laundering and information laundering, converging with your terrorist activities

http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds.htm

Flight schools: Drugs (main operators Saudis)
AIG: Money laundering
Kroll: Information laundering

Edit because of See reply #29. The plane impacted at Marsh. That was no coincidence! This some major psyops.

Since the story upto runs in sync with the story of Andrew Grove, let's take an interesting part:



1: Drugs distribution hub
I can't find any confirmation about -1- and that's the part where al-Cokeda could play a role.

2: Crossingpoint 9/11 flight were transponders are turned off.


3: Used in October Surprise

Because the many similarities between 9/11 and Iran-Contra it is significant that the same airport was used. Also because Iran-Contra was Poppy/Connally's team who operated independent of the President Carter.

4: Stewart Airport privatization
"Governor George E. Pataki today announced that the final application for the privatization of Stewart Airport has been submitted to the Federal Aviation"
http://www.ny.gov/governor/press/99/jan25_1_99.htm

This is important because it would have meant that like AIG/Kroll/Marsh, this airport could operate independent of the government.

5: Spitzer's AIG/Marsh investigation
AIG, Marsh execs plead guilty in Spitzer probe - Feb. 15, 2005
http://www.badfaithinsurance.org/reference/General/0065a.htm

So the open question is whether Stewart has been used in the narcotics distribution, since it is privatized it could be part of their operational network.

Stewart Airport has been in the news recently.

They have a new control tower, but the FAA were not letting them move their old Tardis (Terminal Automated Radar Display and Information System -- sorry, Dr. Who fans!) into the new building. There was a glitch in the new radar system, so they'd hoped the old one could be used until the new one was fixed. But nooooo... the FAA were making them use binoculars instead!

A local Representative met with the FAA chief. "'The FAA folded like a cheap suit,' said Barrett Byrnes, who leads the New York chapter of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association."

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060622/BUSINESS/606220334
http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2006/06/22/news-tlradar-06-22.html

Buttonwood International Group calls itself the Global Custodian who claim to have nearly $50-trillion assets in custody.

According to their own website, Buttonwood offers password-enabled access to Global Custodians–and only to Global Custodians. Buttonwood’s impressive A-List includes: (1)
* ABN AMRO Mellon Global Securities Service
* The Bank of New York
* Brown Brothers Harriman & Co.
* BNP Paribas ("Saddam Hussein’s favourite bank")
* Citibank, N.A.
* Deutsche Bank
* Investors Bank & Trust
* J.P. Morgan
* Mellon Trust
* The Northern Trust Company
* Royal Trust
* State Street Corporation

Bold means: 9/11 inside traders
Italic means: offices in WTC

It seems that they have the biggest banks in the world as their customers.

The strange part is that this company says that it is located at One World Trade Center, Suite 7967 on August 20, 2001 (1), however on their next update on December 21, 2001 it is listed at 14 Wall Street, 20th Floor (2).

Note the WTC photo icon below goes to a page dated 9/11 with these sad and scary words, "September 11, 2001: Buttonwood International’s office support staff was located on the 79th floor of One World Trade Center. As of today, we are unable to confirm that all personnel are safely evacuated." But the main page of December 2001 fails to state how many, or if any, Buttonwood employees died in World Trade Center 1. Curiously, Buttonwood a self-touted management consultant for Global Custodians seems to have ignored the catastrophic events of 9/11 and its impact on its $40 (now $50) trillion clients in the "global securities industry". (3)

They are not listed on any list of tenants and start to sound like a vapor or virtual company. And then there is the testimony of Richard Grove:


Sources:
1. http://web.archive.org/web/20010820234206/http://www.buttonwood.com/index.html
2. http://web.archive.org/web/20011225055235/http://www.buttonwood.com/index.html
3. http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover061705.htm
4. http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/340627.shtml

Is this an empty front company?

why do you think it is weird that they changed addresses? Don't you think that is just their post 9-11 address?
I got a couple of books on 9-11 at the library , I'll see if they say anything. Most of what I find is propaganda, though.

If it was a laundry front then it was an empty address with nothing behind it.

I'm summarizing these threads, because it's getting really big and I think it's time for part II (or part III ...)

Guess what. There are hunderds of companies at 14 Wall Street, 20th floor as well

Clarke were part of the "al coke/ciada" operation? Richard Clarke is very "incompetence theory", so I can see that, but O'Neill would have steered clear of the world trade center that morning, it seems to me, unless he's not really dead, or unless he thought he'd be able to get out in time, but someone killed him since he was "the man who knew too much" after all.
I suspect that Clarke tries to fool people by going overboard on the incompetence hyperbole,which makes you think "he's on out side" since he's talking about how incompetent BushCO was re: 9-11 "they ignored all those warnings!!" but he's really working FOR them not AGAINST them.

John wasn't. He did use the codewords like terrorists instead of drugdealers etc. however it was clear that John would have investigated. I put John O'Neill with the good guys.

I hate watching the heroes fall one by one. He's my idol, personal peccadilloes and all.

In a way he solved 9/11 after all. This video in his honor gave the necessary clues and a week of investigation solved al-Cokeda for me as well.

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Marvin Bush was a director of Securacom a.k.a. Stratesec from 1993-2000 who provided electronic security for the World Trade Center and Dulles International Airport on September 11, 2001. (2)

On behalf of Jerome Hauer (former OEM), Kroll Associates hired ex-FBI anti-terror chief John O'Neill. (1)

The OEM was responsible for the construction of the Bunker in WTC 7. (1)

The following people were both in Securacom and Kuwait-American Corporation:
1. Wirt D. Walker III
2. Marvin Bush
3. Mishal Yousef Saud Al Sabah, son of one Emir and son-in-law of another Emir of Kuwait.

Kroll Associates helped hunt down assets stolen by Iraq's Saddam Hussein in 1999 (8)

Ontrack is in charge of securit of the US Presidents since 1945. Ontrack has Kroll as one of the investors. Sinds June 2002 Kroll Inc. acquired Ontrack and formed a new wholly-owned subsidiary of Kroll named Kroll Ontrack. (5)

Michael Cherkasky (head Kroll):

"I believe that we had sufficient, specific information to say we were at enormous risk during the year 2000, 2001 of having a very, very serious incident here." (6)

Maurice Greenberg, once floated as a possible CIA Director in 1995, 1995, is the CEO of AIG insurance. Connected to Kroll and Frank G. Wisner, Jr. (5)

AIG's long connection to CIA drug trafficking and covert operations was mentioned in a two-part series of http://copvcia.com, that was interrupted just prior to the attacks of September 11. (7)

First part: http://copvcia.com/free/ciadrugs/part_1.html
Second part: http://copvcia.com/free/ciadrugs/part_2.html

Since 1997, Frank G. Wisner, Jr., has been a board member of Kroll , and is currently Greenberg's Deputy Chairman for External Affairs. Wisner's father was a founder of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who killed himself over the scandal from his being duped by British-Soviet masterspy Kim Philby. Frank Wisner, Jr., is a director of the George Bush-linked energy giant Enron (a client for whom AIG negotiated payments from Peru over nationalization of Enron operations). (5)

There are reports of a sharp rise in credit card transactions at the WTC on 9/11. Unusually large sums of money were rushed through the computers.

Convar tried to recover the data. The Convar data salvage found more than $100 million on insider transactions took place in the hours and minutes before the twin towers collapsed. The reconstructed data was given by Convar to the FBI. And in June 2002 Ontrack/Convar was acquired by Kroll Inc. (Kroll O'Gara Eisenhardt). Nothing has ever been heard of the recovered data or the investigation. (9)

The transaction were made with Silverstream software for companies inside the WTC. Those companies were unusually vacant on the morning of September 11. Marsh acquires Silverstream and later Kroll acquires Marsh. (10)

And there is a report from the French Intelligence that Kroll was doing industrial espionage on behalf of the CIA (11)

Sources:
1. www.homelandsecurity.org/darkwinter/index.cfm via http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=169x2228
2. http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Marvin_Bush
3. www.makethemaccountable.com/burns/030204_BushFamilyCompanyHandledSecurity.htm via http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3783153
4. http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=2567&name=Mishal-Al-Sabah
5. http://netti.nic.fi/~hyk/911-tietosanakirja.pdf
6. Warning Signs., NBC News, 23 Sept 2001
7. http://fromthewilderness.com
8. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zdbln/is_200209/ai_ziff30996
9. http://www.heartbone.com/questions/questions.htm
10. http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/05/30/911-whistleblower-andrew-grove-comes-forward/
11. http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/KROLL.htm

Nevertheless, I can't find direct any direct lines. There is quite a lot of evidence that there was inside trading on 9/11 and that Kroll helped cover it up and possible even participated.

I mean you have to pay with credit card, you can't just anonymously buy shares or put options, you have to have an account. So it's outrageous that this has never been solved, unless it's just rumor or was discovered on some data base or something. That one really baffles me.

So Silverstream software was used in the inside transactions? I don't remember that one, that's big.
Software is another weird thing that comes up: Silverstream, PTech, Promis(Ruppert) I don't know where it fits in with everything, maybe as a cover for criminal activity? As Groves said because the software industry is relatively new, it is unregulated,which gives them the opportunity to operate in ways which other companies can't.

You think Sibel Edmonds knows what happened?

It's the easiest way. The bought the company who had the harddisks and the analysis and there was probably pressure on the FBI not to investigate the data. Case closed.

I don't know where the software fits in. I thought that it was handled with that Silverstream stuff at least in WTC, however I can be wrong as well.

Sibel Edmonds knows exactly what happened. It was about control of the heroin from Afghanistan first and foremost. Turkey/Istanbul is the place where all the smuggling routes come together before being shipped off in all directions. So the key drug dealers are in Turkey/Istanbul and Sibel was covering that area, so she probably received inside knowledge about 9/11 from the major kingpins in Turkey. That is why she has to talk in riddles, however her riddle was correct. I knew it!

:banghead:

A margin account is a type of brokerage account that allows you to take out loans against securities you own (sometimes called a "Type 2" account). Because the brokerage house is essentially granting you credit by giving you a margin account, you must pass their screening procedure to get one. Even if you don't plan to buy on margin, note that all short sales ("Type 5") have to occur in a margin account. Note that if you have a margin account, you will also have a cash account.

An option account is a type of brokerage account that allows you to trade stock options (i.e., puts and calls). To open this type of account, your broker will require you to sign a statement that you understand and acknowledge the risks associated with derivative instruments. This is actually for the broker's protection and came into place after brokers were successfully sued by clients who made large losses in options and then claimed they were unaware of the risks. It's my understanding that otherwise an option account is identical to a margin account.

:toast:

would Elliot Spitzer be the one to investigate this? I've been wondering if he is "one of the boys", kind of sounds like he is. It seems like the victims families would be really upset by this one, those who are "aware" of "incongruities".

which side spitzer is on

but comments like this from CFR editorials seem to imply he's looking into something they would rather he not; which is good..
"Recall the market-timing scandal pursued by Eliot Spitzer"
http://www.cfr.org/publication/7575/get_tough_on_soft_commissions.html

also

investigating AIG.. dangerous guy; gotta like that
http://www.forbes.com/business/2005/04/21/cz_cc_0421greenberg.html

One of the former employees of Kroll, Jerome Hauer, organised a security job for ex-FBI anti- terror chief John O'Neill in the Twin Towers, where he died on September 11th 2001. (1)

Jerry Hauer, one of Washington's most important Bio-Terrorism Consultants has an interesting resume, which included also some odd meetings during the last weeks before September 11th:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film and TC Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.
Hauer earned a master's degree with a focus on emergency medical services at Johns Hopkins School.
Later he was member of the John Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense (2)

In 1999 he worked at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis. (3)

"His expertise in crisis management, fire safety and emergency medical response adds additional capabilities to our counterterrorism practice," said David Kay, director of SAIC's CCTA."
But Hauer later left the SAIC, "which is a *huge* federal contractor, and has contracts with the CIA, the FBI and the DOE, as well as many other agencies." (4)

In the same year he started then as Head of the Office of Emergency Management (OEM) for New York City during the 1999 WNV (West Nile Virus) "emergency".
At this time also in contact with OraVax Corporation (now Acambis, partnered with Baxter and Aventis- they created in 1999 by parent companies Hoechst and Rhone-Poulenc.)-makers of the only WNV vaccine, he held a secret meeting with President Clinton and Janet Reno in the Truman Room at the White House a year before the alleged WNV outbreak in New York.
Arrangements were then made to rescue the insolvent OraVax Corporation with a $343 million contract from the CDC for a smallpox vaccine, a $1.8 million contract from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases for a vaccine against dengue fever, and additional sums to stockpile the WNV vaccine for future "emergencies." (5)

Oravax was later one of the few companies, who also received a huge BioDefense Budget after the anthrax attacks, together with Batelle, DynCorp and a few more.
Hauer was in contact with Batelle, too. His OEM-team helped facilitate tests for Batelle, due to healthcare author Dr.Len Horowitz ( 6 ).
Horowitz accused Hauer in at least 3 personal letters to FBI director Robert Mueller during October 2001 to be one of the "suspects" of the Department of Defense´s "Joint Vaccine Acquisition", which was accelerated for millions of dollars in biowarfare profiteering due to the anthrax mailings.
The other one had been Robert Myers, Bioport´s Chief Operating Officer and anthrax expert William C. Patrick III of Batelle, a close friend of Kanatjan Alibekov alias Ken Alibek who worked in the russian 60s Anthrax-project BIOPreparat and later on the payroll on CIA and Pentagon.
As OEM-chief, Hauer also helped out with the construction of the OEM center known as "the bunker" on an upper floor of 7 World Trade Center, which collapsed on September 11th. (7)

The CIA later confirmed that they had an office inside this building.
Officially B7 started to burn because of a gas tank, which was illegally installed inside the building and obviously hit by debris from the Twin Towers attack.
Hauer worked also for the security firm Kroll O'Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt, who are worldwide famous for Security Hardware, -Systems and -Services.
They are also the official bodyguard contractor for all American presidents since Harry Truman and protect more than 60 international heads of state, and a long list of diplomats around the world.
Kroll had various contracts with the US Army, e.g. during the Somalia War, for Bosnia or Togo for their vehicles or armor engineered equipment.
On August 23rd, 2001 Kroll O'Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt became part of Armor Holdings, which is prime contractor to the U.S. Military for the supply of armoring and blast protection for High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicles, commonly known as HMMWVs. (8, 9)

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2002/06/12964.shtml

Sources:
1. http://www.nogw.com/9_11.html
2. http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html
3. http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html
4. http://www.politicsny.com/reports/february02/2-14-02-sheirer.shtml0
5. http://www.mapcruzin.com/rev_death_in_air.htm
6. http://www.tetrahedron.org
7. http://www.politicsny.com/reports/february02/2-14-02-sheirer.shtml
8. http://www.ogara-hess.com/aboutus.htm
9. http://www.armorholdings.com/corpprof/main_frame.htm

Much more at:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00068.htm

So in 2001 they reorganized and got rid off their US spy division and just before 9/11 on August 23rd they bought Kroll. Doesn't make any sense...

In 1996 they bought Defence Systems Limited which is also an "interesting" partner.

Alpha Firm is part of Kroll and used to be a division of Armor Holdings. Alpha team is the privatized top team of the KGB.

For those here who believe the al-Cokeda story. Replace terrorists with drug dealers and Osama bin Laden with the drug trade and carry on reading ;)



Salon interview: http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/02/08/forbidden/
Intelligence online: (Website of the French authors)
http://www.intelligenceonline.com/

An interesting aspect of 9/11 is what happened to the Director of the FBI during that period. It can be argued that Louis Freeh was not the right person to cover up 9/11 and that Robert Mueller was, because of prior experience with Noriega and the BCCI. The person which gets overlooked of course is Thomas Pickard because he ran the FBI while 9/11 was being organized / planned.

Louis Freeh (- June 25, 2001)


Ashcroft temporarily appoint Thomas Pickard who we shall discuss last because he is the most interesting. One week before 9/11 on September 4, 2001, Robert Muller becomes Director of the FBI

Robert Muller (September 4, 2001 -)


Let's throw in John O'Neill again:


He still says or, however Thomas Pickard is the strange person in this story.

He did give a warning to Ashcroft which was of course ignored


It appears from these stories that maybe Mueller was send in as his replacement because Pickard had the same issues with Ashcroft as Freeh. However there is also this:



One weird thing about the anthrax suspect while we are on that subject:


Versar, Paul Bremer's bio-terrorism company becomes "interesting" as well.

There were also quite a number of other FBI agents who died on 9/11. What division did they work for? Why didn't Ashcroft want to solve 9/11?

This story was reported in several mainstream sources. Yet, no investigation into Kroll has happened stateside. Are we to believe that it was only the Brazilian office of Kroll that was involved in "illegal industrial espionage?"

I think not.

Ty Rauber

http://wkjo.com
wkjo@deadartfilms.com

France and the US always had a weird love-hate relationship where they are sometimes the biggest pals in wars - as long as the peace negotiations are in Paris - and sometimes they tell each other's dirty secrets, foil coup d'etats etc.

(Valis at Let's roll 911 posted this) :

According to the official 9/11 storybook as described in the Moussaoui indictment,Standard Chartered Bank had quite the role to play in 9/11 patsy funding:

Quote:
Al-Hawsawi and Fayez Ahmed (#175) Open UAE Bank Accounts

57. On June 25, 2001, Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi used a cash deposit to open a checking account at a Standard Chartered Bank branch in Dubai, UAE.

58. On June 25, 2001, at the same Standard Chartered Bank branch in Dubai, UAE, Fayez Ahmed (#175) used a cash deposit to open a savings account and also opened a checking account.


Quote:
Fayez Ahmed (#175) Gives Al-Hawsawi Control Over UAE Account

61. On July 18, 2001, Fayez Ahmed (#175) gave power of attorney to Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi for Fayez Ahmed's Standard Chartered Bank accounts in UAE.


Quote:
Final Preparations for the Coordinated Air Attack

76. On or about August 22, 2001, Fayez Ahmed (#175) used his VISA card in Florida to obtain approximately $4,900 cash, which had been deposited into his Standard Chartered Bank account in UAE the day before.


Quote:
The Hijackers Return Excess Money to Al-Hawsawi in UAE

91. On or about September 6, 2001, approximately $8,055 was wired from Fayez Ahmed's (#175) Florida SunTrust account to the Standard Chartered Bank account over which Al-Hawsawi had power of attorney.


Quote:
97. On September 11, 2001, in UAE, approximately $16,348 was deposited into Al-Hawsawi's Standard Chartered Bank account.

98. On September 11, 2001, in UAE, at about 9:22 a.m. local time (the early morning hours of Eastern Daylight Time), Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi moved approximately $6,534 from the $8,055 in Fayez Ahmed's (#175) Standard Chartered Bank account into his own account, using a check dated September 10, 2001 and signed by Fayez Ahmed; Al-Hawsawi then withdrew approximately $1,361, nearly all the remaining balance in Ahmed's account, by ATM cash withdrawal.

99. On September 11, 2001, in UAE, approximately $40,871 was prepaid to a VISA card connected to Al-Hawsawi's Standard Chartered Bank account.


Then we look to our WTC-7 building 7 occupant list

And what do we have here?:

Standard Chartered Bank - Floors 10,13,26,27

Lots of embarrassing things suddenly disappeared with that building. It's pretty clear that most of the dirty information prior to 9/11/2001 was thoroughly shredded when that building got pulled. It was like a fresh start.

We need to check whether there are links between AMEC and Tully Construction with either Kroll or Marsh.

Both construction companies have destruction companies as well. The most interesting is Tully. Also because Tully had prior experience with skyscrapers and OKC. AMEC was probably used for the simpler Pentagon and 7-7.

AMEC (CD part: Kingstar (7-7 & Pentagon)
Tully Construction (CD: Controlled Demolition Inc. ( WTC)

People involved with the "controlled cleanup":

Tully, Peter

(Tully Construction, subcontractor responsible for most excavation and trucking operations at the WTC. Tully retained Controlled Demolition Inc.,Phoenix, Md, who had been involved once in the demolition of the bombed Murrah Building in Oklahoma in 1995. Controlled Demolition is specialised in implosions of big towers, like i.e. the Landmark Hotel Tower* in Las Vegas or the Columbus Homes Housing Projects in Newark, New Jersey.) (1)

Mason, Sir Peter

(Chief Executive of AMEC, involved in renovation of the wedge of the Pentagon, which was later hit. Hired for Controlled Clean-up of both Pentagon and WTC.
Among Clients: SAIC and Telcordia/Robert W. Lucky, member of ANSER Institute for Homeland Security since 1999)

Taylor, Ross

(Chief Executive Officer of the Bovis Lend Lease Real Estate Solutions. Bovis Lend was involved in the controlled cleanup of the WTC rubble and renovation of Hotel Millennium Hilton, NYC until May 2003. On October 30, 2001 Bovis announced their division of Bovis Lend Lease Pharmaceutical)

http://post911timeline.org/article006.htm

Tully Construction

When contacted by the American Free Press (AFPN) and asked, if they ever had seen concrete pulverized as it was in the WTC, they said: "No-never". "Tully said, that there were hot spots where he observed 'literally molten steel'...Everything that was above grade -above the 6th and 7th floor -disintegrated...it was like an explosion" (AFPN/08/26/02)
"We had 75 trucks leaving a day during the first few days," says Tully.
http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:WJOS-g--M5oC:www.enr.com/news/enrbld_092401.asp+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Tully Construction of Flushing, NY is the only american-owned company who was hired for the "cleanup of Sep11th".
Earlier this year Tully received a contract by the MTA/New York City Transit Subway System in a joint venture with .J. Pegno of Flushing, N.Y., the project's general contractor. http://newyork.construction.com/NYCN/NYmay2002/feat2May2002.html

Work includes 1,200 ft. of complete tunnel replacement, tunnel lighting and track and signal work. At Ground Zero Tully built concrete plugs to prevent dust and debris from further contaminating the entire line. "We used supersuckers in there to clean up the dust and debris. The plugs have since been removed," President Peter Tully noted. http://newyork.construction.com/NYCN/NYmay2002/feat2May2002.html

Tully has been under a special monitoring arrangement with New York City since 1996; prior to that, it was banned from doing business with the city. Among conflicts it became embroiled in were complaints that it performed a shoddy job fixing up Brooklyn homes after a water main break. http://www.newsday.com/ny-queens25-7tullyconstruction.story

Tully retained Controlled Demolition Inc.,Phoenix, Md, who had been involved once in the demolition of the bombed Murrah Building in Oklahoma in 1995. Controlled Demolition is specialised in implosions of big towers, like i.e. the Landmark Hotel Tower* in Las Vegas or the Columbus Homes Housing Projects in Newark, New Jersey.

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/control%20demolition.html

Controlled Demolition had their first implosions in the 70s and worked several times for the US or local governments.
In 1991 they imploded the Old Orlando City Hall in Orlando, Florida. http://www.controlled-demolition.com/cdi%20demolition.html

In 1995 they imploded the Mendes Caldeira Building São Paulo Brazil(361 feet tall), as they say on their website, the "tallest standing concrete building ever felled with explosives". In 1998 they imploded a 439 feet, the "tallest structural steel building ever imploded"
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/controlled%20demolition.html

Controlled Demolition claims to have "a very small number of employees" and not much known is about their business profile. They work together with the The Loizeaux Family.
In February 2000, a federal grand jury indicted Mark Loizeaux, Douglas Loizeaux and Controlled Demolition, Inc. on charges of falsely reporting campaign contributions to the campaign of Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.).
The Baltimore Sun reported, that the illegal contributions allegedly occurred between 1996 and 1998. The Loizeaux brothers and CDI were acquitted in September 2000.
http://www.xenophilia.com/zb/zb0002/links73.htm

On the internet, houndred of websites speculate since September 2001 about a possible controlled demolition inside the Twin Towers with bombs. J. McMichael was one of the first dozen engineers, who tried to wonder about the collapse.

A very impressive and intense discussion currently continues at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4840&forum=DCForumID43&omm=0

Summary from 9/11 truth:

We would like to have public disclosure of the reasons for a $150 million pre-9/11 Pentagon renovation by AMEC Plc. of the same section of the Pentagon Wedge 1 which was later officially attacked.
AMEC was later also responsible for the removal of the rubble at Ground Zero and the Pentagon.
AMEC's auditor is KPMG. In June 2002, they hired former FBI IT chief Robert J. Chiaradio as managing director and lead advisor on homeland security.

Furthermore another cleanup company named Tully retained Controlled Demolition Inc., Phoenix, MD, who had been involved once in the demolition of the bombed Murrah Building in Oklahoma in 1995.
Controlled Demolition is specialized in implosions of big towers, like the Landmark Hotel Tower* in Las Vegas or the Columbus Homes Housing Projects in Newark, New Jersey.
In May 2001, Controlled Demolition Inc. was involved in a controlled demolition of 2 Twin Gas Storage Towers in Queens, New York.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/317953.shtml

Are we allowed to know what is behind the scenes. At least Von Buelow, former German Minister of Defense, seems to think so and said back in Jan 2002 that 9/11 looked like an inside job.

http://www.orwelltoday.com/wtc911book.shtml

He doesn't like intelligence bureaus either, because even as a mere Minister of Defense he wasn't allowed to know what it was what they did. Just to give you an idea how shadow government they really are.

So we have one more story that AIG could have been used to launder Mena and since Venice is very similar to Mena, a similar construction might be used for 9/11.

Remember Adnan Khashoggi. Because he is the hidden man behind al-Cokeda. So both Khashoggi - who controls al-Cokeda - and Greenberg - whose family controls AIG/Kroll/Marsh - had an interest in the Oil and Gas pipeline in Afghanistan as well as the drug trade.

for the 93 bombings. It's weird how that story is coming out and no one cares.
What does he mean by
"No. To assume that the government were independent in these questions, would be naive."
I wonder?

There were quite a number of governments who must have known and probably helped out.

"All governments are run by liars and nothing they say should be believed."
— I.F. Stone

Here you go OKC:
http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt.htm

Shall I throw in Madrid 3/11 as well or just give a hint: Equatorial Guinea

Just as a reminder:

American International Group = Maurice "Hank" Greenberg

Marsh & McLennan = Jeffrey Greenberg

Ace = Evan Greenberg

Bear Stearns = Alan Greenberg

Kroll always had AIG as shareholder and is currently part of Marsh.

Alan is nicknamed Ace but Ace is owned by Evan. During Enron the gentleman did some revolving chairs as well. As mentioned above: They are partners in fraud with the Bush family.

Jeffrey Greenberg
Jeffrey W. Greenberg is the former chairman and CEO of Marsh & McLennan Companies. His father is Maurice Greenberg, former chairman and CEO of AIG, and Director Emeritus and Honorary Vice Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). His brother is Evan Greenberg, president and CEO of ACE Limited. Jeffrey Greenberg is also a member of the CFR and serves as a trustee of the Brookings Institution.

Maurice Greenberg
Maurice R. "Hank" Greenberg, "ranked 132 in the world and 59th in the US with assets of $3.1 billion," was forced out as Chairman of top insurance company American International Group (AIG) after the company "admitted to $1.7 billion in improper accounting." In Spring 2005, "two of Greenberg's sons, both executives in the insurance business, have also been tarnished by scandal." (1)

He is also a member on the Council on Foreign Relations. His son Evan Greenberg is the CEO of ACE. His son Jeffrey Greenberg is CEO of Marsh and Alan Greenberg is CEO of Bear Stearns. A family that preys together, stays together.

Greenberg is well-known in Washington where he known for raising large amounts of money. Greenberg was one of the President George W. Bush's 'Rangers' which means he personally raked in more than $200,000 for the reelection campaign. At the same time, he is also known for his access to members of the cabinet and Congress. This access has paid-off as the administration has often supported Greenberg on a number of issues ranging from access to China to terrorism insurance (1)

Affiliations
* Chairman, Nixon Center (2)
"Greenberg and AIG have further expanded their reach through the use of the $5 billion Starr Foundation, named after the founder of the company Cornelius Vander Starr. It supports influential groups such as the Council on Foreign Relations and the National Chamber Foundation, associated with the US Chamber of Commerce," (1)

Sources
1. http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0401/p03s01-usju.html
2. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Maurice_R._Greenberg

Evan Greenberg
Evan Greenberg is President and CEO of ACE Limited. He is the son of Maurice Greenberg.

1997-2000: Serves as president and COO of AIG.

2001: Vice chairman of Ace Limited; CEO of ACE Tempest Re.

2002: CEO of ACE Overseas General.

2003: President and chief operating officer of ACE Limited; chairman of ACE Tempest Re.

2004: President and chief executive officer, ACE Limited.

Member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_G._Greenberg

Alan Greenberg
Alan "Ace" Greenberg was the former CEO of Bear Stearns and still serving as chairman of the boards. He is the son of Maurice Greenberg of AIG.

Dubbed one of the shrewdest players on Wall Street, Alan Greenberg was born in Wichita, Kansas in 1927. Greenberg describes his family as close-knit. When Greenberg was 31, he was named a partner of Bear Stearns. In 1978, Greenberg was named chief executive officer of the firm. He continued to expand the business, finally taking it public in 1985. Greenberg was named chairman and CEO. Today, Greenberg retains the title of chairman of the board and chairman of the executive committee.

http://www.horatioalger.com/members/member_info.cfm?memberid=GRE97

spooked911 (1000+ posts)
Fakity Fake 2nd Hit Footage

Check out this seriously bizarre supposedly "live" footage from the morning of 9/11.

The most telling thing about the clip is the consecutive series of zoom-ins (four zoom-ins) right before the plane comes in-- the opening very wide shot shows no plane but when they finally zoom in very tight on the towers, all of a sudden the plane appears!


I think this is pretty good proof that the second plane was a digital fake. The plane SHOULD have been seen in the wide shot-- it only magically appears in the last tight zoom-in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1umznssiZU

Given the extremely unlikely coincidence that one of the main players occupied WTC1 at the exact point of impact and also had an office in the top floor of the impact at WTC2, the planes become optional since it is no longer a requirement and it could be an inside job with explosion since they had full access to WTC1 and could have worked their way down from WTC2 and maybe had access to Fuji bank as well who was the main occupant at WTC2's point of impact.

If it was an inside job, the planes could have been added as part of the overall plan of deceipt and would have increased the likelyhood of installing a massive trauma in the minds of people which was one of the major objectives and they already had a team of Arab pilots working on their al-Cokeda team.

Let me stress that the planes/missiles are optional. They could have fitted some sort of "plane magnet" in WTC1 and WTC2 as well, thus ensuring the exact point of impact, however no planes would have been the easiest plan as far as success rate goes and there is photographic evidence to suggest that the planes have been added to the pictures electronically and there are plenty of people here who follow the no planes option as a result.

The Pentagon footage is very unclear and doesn't show any plane or missile which is another clue.

A fourth clue is that there was a plume of smoke at the Eisenhower Building and there was also massive inside trading on KLM who didn't participate. Maybe the Eisenhower building was part of the overall operation, however it failed and was forgotten about.

Has someone confirmed that the reports of smoke rising from behind the Old Executive Office building near the White House were consistent with the statements of the positions given (if any?) of those reporting it?

Where would someone have to be to have the smoke reported be something other than the Pentagon? Surely there is only a fairly narrow angle where the Old Executive Office Building would eclipse the Pentagon.

It was also reported by ABC news and there was video footage of the plume. Sadly the footage is not available in electronic form. At least I haven't been able to find it. ABC deleted the transcript as well for some odd reason. Luckily somebody saved it, so we still have it and some other people who said the same thing.

It's one of those interesting angles which haven't been investigated yet.

If one were right in front of the White House, it would be between oneself and the river. Don't believe me, look at a map.

Only some reports about a plume of smoke.

The Pentagon is across the river from the White House. If you were to stand on the front lawn of the White House, the big gray building (and the Potomac) would be between you and the Pentagon.

If you were to look at a map of DC, it would become clearer.