Moussaoui trial transcripts

You can find them here:
http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/usa-v-zm-dt2.htm

I'm reading this one at the moment:
http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/usa-v-zm-030706-02.htm

It's quite interesting, for example, there's this exchange:

Q. Now, the other individual you said lived in Hamburg was Marwal al-Shehhi. Did he also travel to Pakistan?
A. Yes, he did.
Q. When did he travel to Pakistan?
A. On February 23rd of 2000.

Whereas the 9/11 CR (on page 166) says that Al Shehhi left for Pakistan around November 1999. This is doubly odd because he applied for his new passport with no suspicious traces of going to Afghanistan before he actually went to Afghanistan in January 2000. Link:


I guess the "clean" passport was just for his US visa application, not for his entry into the US.

This is interesting too:

Q. What other hijackers did the FBI learn during the course of
its investigation spent time in Malaysia?
A. Satam al-Suqami and Abdul Aziz Alomari.
Q. Was there a coconspirator who spent time in Malaysia as well?
A. Yes.
Q. Who was that?
A. That was Ramzi Bin al-Shibh.

When were Al Suqami and Al Omari in Malaysia and how do they know that?

I am going to try to get some time together to read the transcripts in depth. I think there could be some tangible proof here concerning important discrepancies.

Thanks for posting this, Kevin.

and hopefully try to figure out the "hijacker thing".

This is interesting:

Q. Which of the individuals we're looking at on the screen now ultimately piloted the flights that were hijacked on September 11th?
A. Hani Hanjour, Mohamed Atta, Marwal al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah.
Q. Did these four hijackers take jet simulator training in the United States as well?
A. Yes, they did.
Q. Where did Atta and al-Shehhi train on jet simulators?
A. They trained at two separate companies, both out of the same complex. Those companies were the Sim Center in Opa-Locka, Florida, and also Pan Am International Flight Academy, also in Opa-Locka, Florida.
Q. And in what part of Florida is Opa-Locka?
A. In the Miami, Florida area.
Q. What dates did Atta and al-Shehhi train on jet simulators, and what type of simulators did they train on?
A. They trained on the last three days of 2000, on the 29th, the 30th, and the 31st of December. On the 29th and the 30th, they trained on Boeing 727's at Sim Center. And then on the 31st they trained on Boeing 767's at Pan Am International Flight Academy.
Q. Where did Ziad Jarrah train on flight simulators?
A. Ziad Jarrah trained at the Aero Service Aviation Center in Miami, Florida.
Q. What dates did Jarrah take jet simulator training and on what type of simulators?
A. He took training on December 15th through the 18th, then again on the 8th of January, and he took training on both 727's and 737's.
Q. What about Hani Hanjour, where did he train on jet simulators?
A. Hani Hanjour trained in Phoenix at a place called Pan Am International Jet Tech in Phoenix, Arizona.
Q. On what dates and what type of simulator?
A. From February through March of 2001, and those were on 737's.

So Atta and Al Shehhi had a total of about 4.5 hours each on jet simulators (figuring 1.5 hours for each day of training). Jarrah had around 7.5 hours and Hani had the most.

There's a story going round that they had hundreds of hours on simulators, but the FBI seem to be contradicting this here. I asked somebody who knows more about it than me and he said the 100s of hours were maybe just on a computer flight simulator, not at at actual flight training centre. Alternatively, somebody is confusing their actual flying time (which was hundreds of hours for each of the four) with the time they spent on simulators.

The FBI director told the Joint Inquiry Atta got an ID card from Apollo Travel in Paterson, NJ, the 9/11 Commission didn't mention it, but here the FBI are again claiming it exists:

"A. On the 4th of July, he (Atta) flies from Newark, New Jersey down to Fort Lauderdale. While in the Patterson, New Jersey area at that time, Atta obtained an identification card at a place called Appolo International Travel. Six other hijackers also obtained ID cards from Appolo International Travel from that same location during the month of July."

"A. The exhibit marked WT-1 is the passport of Satam al-Suqami. This was recovered from the World Trade Center the morning of September 11, 2001. The exhibit marked WT-2 is the Saudi Arabian driver's license of Ahmed al-Ghamdi, recovered during the recovery operations at the World Trade Center after September 11, 2001."

Unfortunately, the Reporters Committee for the Freedom of the Press didn't post them at their site.

The FBI says the early ones were using airphones:
"Beginning at 9:30 a.m., passenger Tom Burnett, B-u-r-n-e-t-t, made several telephone calls to his wife from telephones in rows 24 and 25, even though he was assigned a seat in row 4 in the front of the plane."

"At 9:37 a.m., passenger Mark Bingham, B-i-n-g-h-a-m, who was assigned a seat in row 4 in the front of the plane, called his mother from a telephone in row 25, near the rear of the plane, and told her that the plane had been hijacked by three men who had said they have a bomb."

"At 9:37 a.m., passenger Jeremy Glick, G-l-i-c-k, who was assigned a seat in row 11, called his wife from a telephone in row 27 near the rear of the plane and told her that the plane had been hijacked by three men who looked like Iranians, with dark skin and bandanas on their heads, and who had knives."

"At 9:43, passenger Todd Beamer, B-e-a-m-e-r, who was assigned to a seat in row 10, tried to telephone his wife from a telephone in row 32 but was routed to a GTE operator. Mr. Beamer told the operator that the plane had been hijacked and that he saw two hijackers with knives and someone else enter the cockpit."

"At 9:49 a.m., passenger Marion Britton, B-r-i-t-t-o-n, who was assigned to a seat in row 12, called her friend from a telephone in row 33 in the rear of the plane and told her friend that the plane had been hijacked."

They found:
(1) An arabic ID card for Al Nami;
(2) Al Nami's Saudi youth hostelling card;
(3) Two photgraphs of Al Nami;
(4) Ziad Jarrah's passport;
(4) Saeed Al Ghamdi's passport;
(5) Assem Jarrah's business card;
(6) Al Nami's Florida ID, although according to the 9/11 Commission he had a Florida driving licence, not an ID card.
(7) Assem Jarrah's work permit is also supposed to have been found, but is not mentioned here.

Transcript:
A. This is an ID card written in Arabic. This one was found at the Flight 93 crash site. This one is believed to have been possessed by Ahmed al-Nami.
Q. And PA-102?
A. PA-102 is a Saudi Arabian Youth Hostels Association identification card for Ahmed al-Nami. This was found also at the crash site of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania.
Q. And PO -- excuse me, PA-103.2 and 103.3?
A. 103.2 and 103.3 are photographs of hijacker Ahmed al-Nami. These were also found at the crash site in Pennsylvania.
Q. Well, hold on while we get them on the screen here.
A. That's a photo negative of Ahmed al-Nami.
Q. And 103.3?
A. That's a passport-style photograph of Ahmed al-Nami.
Q. And where were these found?
A. At the crash site in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
Q. P A-105.8?
A. This is a burned piece of the passport of Ziad Jarrah recovered at the crash site at Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.
MR. RASKIN: If you can just pull it back, Gerard, so we can see the entire exhibit?
Q. Agent Fitzgerald, was the entire passport found?
A. Less the parts that were burned away, yes.
Q. And this is the page with Ziad Jarrah's visa?
A. That's correct.
Q. Was that found in Pennsylvania at the crash site?
A. That's correct.
Q. PA-108?
A. This is a Saudi Arabian passport of Saeed al-Ghamdi. What you're looking at now is the visa page of Saeed al-Ghamdi, which is in his passport. They was recovered at the crash site in Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.
Q. PA-109, which I believe is already in evidence?
A. This is a business card with the name Assem Jarrah on the front of it. Assem Jarrah is a relative of Ziad Jarrah. On the reverse of this card is an address that I referred to earlier of Billstedter Hauptstrasse. You can see the words here, Billstedter and Hauptstrasse, in Hamburg, Germany.
Q. PA-110?
A. This is a partially destroyed Florida state identification card for Ahmed al-Nami. You can see an address on here of 755 Dotterel Road, in Delray Beach, Florida.
Q. And what did the FBI learn in the September 11 investigation about that Dotterel Road address?
A. The FBI learned that a number of hijackers stayed at that address and used that address for various things, including driver's licenses and their documents.
Q. And finally, Agent Fitzgerald, I would like you to hold up for the jury to see Exhibit PA-111. Tell us what that is and where it was found.
A. This is a red bandana which was recovered at the crash site of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania.

for obvious reasons.

malaysia and that there was some sort of al qaeda "summit" there in 2000, this sounds comical to me. Sorry, I saw this in passing don't remember where. He is the only one who seems to have the same picture in his id's. He also was in that "goodbye" video the spring before 9-11, I wonder if that is typical to do something like that in advance?

AFAIK only Al Omari's and Al Haznawi's have been broadcast. They probably lost some in the bombing.

I doubt Al Omari and Al Suqami attended the summit in Kuala Lumpur on 5-8 January 2000, but I would like to know when they were there.

"in Malaysia is this in Wikipedia:
According to Tawfiq bin Attash, al-Omari was one of a group of future hijackers who provided security at Khandahar airport after their basic training at an al-Qaida camp. During the 2000 Al Qaeda Summit in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, immigration records show that a person named Abdulaziz al-Omari was visiting the country, although it is unknown whether this was the same person."

or All Experts

"During the 2000 Al Qaeda Summit in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, immigration records show that a person named Abdulaziz al-Omari was visiting the country, but it is unknown whether this was a related person or not."

But I can't find anything that says Suqami was there.

Wikipedia is not bad, but sometimes they don't have links to back up what they're saying, which is annoying. I'll try and get somebody with Lexis Nexis access to have a look at it.

There's a long examination of a witness who knew Moussaoui in Malaysia. He knew some Arabs too, probably including Al Mihdhar - at least Moussaoui says so, but the witness isn't sure. Maybe he knew Al Omari and Al Suqami as well. He mentions helping some Arabs travel to the Phillipines and there was a report that Al Omari went there.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a2000philippines
See the entry for 2000-September 10, 2001

Both Al Omari's and Al Suqami's passports were recovered after 9/11 (at Logan airport and the WTC). They must have had travel stamps for Malaysia in them.

Alomari's passport was issued on 5 June 2000 and he entered the US on 29 June 2001, so it should be somewhere between these times. I don't know when Suqami's passport was issued.

Alternatively, the Malaysian stamps were in their passports, but were false - some of Suqami's passport stamps were false, see Terrorist Travel, endnote 71, page 38.

The only evidence that 18 of the 19 hijackers had filmed martydom videos comes from Khalid Sheik Mohammed.......

Who is about as trustworthy as an ass!

Here's Al Omari in his martyrdom video:


Story: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/10/1031608248171.html

And here's Al Haznawi:


Story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1931350.stm

I make that 17 left.

Here is Saeed Al Ghamdi's video will........



My mistake for not having been clear enough before.......

9/11 mastermind, Khalid Sheik Mohammed told Egyptian journalist Yosri Fouda that only 18 of the 19 hijackers recorded video wills..........

Of those 18 recorded video wills.....3 of them have been released to the public so far.......

That leaves 15 videos that remain to this date unseen by the public domain....

Fouda asked Binalshib and Sheik Mohammed if they would show him Atta's video will.

Sheik Mohammed told Fouda that Al-Quida would "cherish it for a while"

Personally.....I don't think those videos exist or ever existed....but I might be wrong....

I know this is the kind of subjective observation that will never get anywhere, but their eyes are clearly at "half mast". The other pictures of AlOmari he does not have that look. The other two look different than their other id's, but they have the same look.
But this is also something I've noticed in a few of the id's. Moussaoui's mother said he was "under the influence" and there were references to his being drugged.
FWIW, I would say the guys in those video out takes were drugged, has anyone seen the actually videos?

When you see the quotes from his martyrdom announcement in news reports it looks like a flaming passionate speech, but when you actually see him talking he keeps looking down at his notes and mumbling. He didn't look like he was on drugs to me.

It is also interesting to observe where and what background these boys had...like Alomari,Al-Ghamdi and Al haznawi.....

The 9/11 commission report would have us believe that these fellows were ordinary folks from provincial areas who went to fight in Chechnia in 99'.......

But a Saudi analyst(in exile I presume!) says something different.......

Western intelligence analysts who have examined the issue say that up to 10 of the 15 Saudis involved in the terrorist strikes on New York and Washington may have either served in the Saudi security forces or received Saudi security support in the al-Qaida recruitment and training process that led up to the Sept. 11, 2001, suicide attacks.

Saudi analyst Mai Yamani agrees with this assessment. A Western-trained analyst based in London with excellent sources in the Saudi kingdom, Yamani has determined that most of the al-Qaida attackers came from families that served in the National Guard.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39490

The 3 individuals below in their respective video wills:

Alomari


AlHaznawi


Aghamdi


......boast about having been in Afghnaistan and how Bin Laden trained them....

Which of course re-inforces the official story as we know it....

But by emphasizing and embellishing the "Afghan training" it deflects attention away from Saudi Arabia!

Which goes to show that the above boys probably do and continue to work for the Saudi security forces.....

Basically they unframe the House Of Saud everytime the House Of Saud is framed up by the Neo Con/House Of Zion cabal........(Arrajacki,Bukhari,Kamfar,Rahman Alomari)

And when you have the most powerful man in Saudi Arabia saying something along the same lines.......

Saudi Arabia, on Saudi television, Crown Prince Abdullah told a strikingly different story about who was to blame.

NBC News translated Abdullah's remarks from Arabic: “Zionism is behind it. It has become clear now. It has become clear to us. I don’t say, I mean... It is not 100 percent, but 95 percent that the Zionist hands are behind what happened.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5218227 /

........you know somethin ain't quite right!

... that when I read that, my BS-detector registered more than a flicker too. My feeling was that they maybe had them and them lost some of them. If they didn't lose them, then why did they use the FBI's images for some of the hijackers in the "19 Martyrs" video? Binalshibh's martyrdom statement was lost and later found in Kabul. Has it ever been broadcast? I don't recall seeing it.

Closed in 1995 because they couldn't pay their rent, supposedly. This is where several hijackers took flight training and the FBI knew about it according to WaPost article. I think their closure is odd. The owner claimed it was because of the notoriety of 9-11, but I haven't heard that happen to any other school.

Q. http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/usa-v-zm-030706-01.htm
Q. Who else?
2 A. There was Ihab Ali.
3 Q. Where did he go to flight school in the United States?
4 A. I believe he went to Oklahoma.
5 Q. He went to Airman Flight School in Oklahoma, the same flight
6 school that Mr. Moussaoui went to, didn't he?
7 A. I believe he did and that would have been, I believe, in the
8 early 1990s.
9 Q. Early 1990s. So the early 1990s, the FBI knew that when Bin
10 Laden wanted to train a pilot, one of the places he would send
11 them was to Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma, that's the
12 absolute truth, isn't it, Agent?
13 MR. RASKIN: Objection, Your Honor.
14 THE COURT: That's an editorial comment.
15 MR. MAC MAHON: Thank you, Your Honor, I will rephrase
16 the question.
17 BY MR. MAC MAHON:
18 Q. By the early 1990s the FBI knew if Bin Laden wanted to train
19 pilots he would -- one of the places he would send them was the
20 Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma, correct?
21 A. Well, at that time we knew he was trying to train pilots for
22 his own aircraft.
23 Q. How many pilots do you know that Bin Laden sent to the Airman
24 Flight School before Mr. Moussaoui arrived?
25 A. Just Ihab Ali. I don't know.
...................................
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A10840-2001
Sep22¬Found=true

Federal authorities have been aware for years that suspected terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden were receiving flight training at schools in the United States and abroad, according to interviews and court testimony.

Three days after the attack on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III described reports that several of the hijackers had received flight training in the United States as "news, quite obviously," adding, "If we had understood that to be the case, we would have -- perhaps one could have averted this."
....................
Airman Flight School shuts down

The Norman Transcript

?Landlord says school had been given notice for failure to pay rent

By Randall Turk

Transcript Staff

Airman Flight School, which has trained general aviation pilots for several years at
Westheimer Airport, has closed.

Officials said the school had fallen behind on rent for the building, which houses an
aircraft maintenance shop and administrative offices.

The airport building is owned by the University of Oklahoma. A Cleveland County District
Court order had granted possession of the building to the current landlord, Baker Hughes,
Inc., of Houston, which leases the building from OU.


http://www.normantranscript.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_252004844

Does that show any affiliation? Cuz that could be interesting, but I suppose on paper it looks like a coincidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Hughes#Acquisitions
Howard Hughes Jr formed the Hughes Aircraft company which was eventually splintered into various business units and merged with Raytheon, General Motors & Boeing.

(Raytheon again...)

Both went to Airman for a couple of days about a month after arriving in the States and this was pre-planned:

Q. During the course of the September 11th PENTTBOM investigation, was the FBI able to obtain a document from the time Atta and al-Shehhi were in New York that indicated the trip to Oklahoma was preplanned?
A. Yes.
Q. Government Exhibit TR-511, tell us what that is.
A. This is a business record from Voicestream Wireless. This is reflecting the sale of a prepaid cellular telephone to Mohamed Atta in New York. On this information Atta has listed his address as 1950 Godddard Avenue in Norman, Oklahoma.
Q. What is at that Goddard Avenue address?
A. Airman Flight School.
Q. And on what date did Atta apply -- or receive this telephone?
A. He received this on the 4th of June, 2000, one day after arriving in the United States.
Q. Okay. And then you indicated that Atta and al-Shehhi did go to Oklahoma. Let's take another look at Government Exhibit OK-17 and 16, already in evidence.
Tell us what they are again.
A. These documents we have seen before. These reflect their receipts from the Sooner Hotel for both Marwal al-Shehhi and Mohamed Atta, and they reflect their stay at this hotel in Norman, Oklahoma from July 2nd through July 3rd. It has also got their German addresses listed there.
http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/usa-v-zm-030706-02.htm

I make that at least 5 Al Qaeda pilots at Airman. That is unusual.

Terry McDermott, author of Perfect Soldiers, says of Airman:
"Airman Flight School had been a favourite of Al Qaeda trainees for years, a fact well known to American security services, who assumed the trainees would be employed flying Bin Laden's personal aircraft and Al Qaeda transport planes." (p. 297)

The prosecution is talking to the admissions director at Airman:

Q. Ms. Keene, after -- are you familiar with the name Mohamed Atta?
A. Yes, I am.
Q. How are you familiar with that name other than through the media?
A. He had contacted the school April of 2000 requesting information about flight training.
Q. How did Mohamed Atta contact the school, and how do you know it was Mohamed Atta?
A. It was via e-mail. And I didn't really -- you know, there's a lot of people that contact the school. And after September 11, the FBI interviewed me and told me that I had given Mohamed Atta a tour in our school. And at that time, I looked in our contact database and saw his name in there that I had sent him information. Otherwise, I would never have remembered or even thought to look.
Q. Do you remember giving him a tour?
A. No, I don't.
Q. Do you remember giving Marwan al-Shehhi a tour?
A. No. And I didn't know I did until the FBI told me that I did.
Q. And when you checked the records, when was it that the school was contacted by Mohamed Atta?
A. I believe it was April of 2000.
Q. And what did the school send Atta in response?
A. Our basic information pack, just like I would have sent to Mr. Moussaoui as well, basic material about the commercial pilot course.
MR. RASKIN: Thank you. Nothing further, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Any recross?
MR. TROCCOLI: Thank you, Your Honor.
RECROSS EXAMINATION
BY MR. TROCCOLI:
Q. Ms. Keene, the testimony you just gave about Mr. Atta and Mr. Al-Shehhi, your -- comes from what the FBI informed you occurred?
A. That's correct.
Q. You have no present recollection of them actually being at the school?
A. No. After 9/11 and his picture was everywhere, he's got a very distinctive face, and then I do remember seeing him at the school. I don't recall anything in specific about the, about the tour, but just remembered his face.
Q. The -- at some point, your computer system crashed; is that correct, or you had -- one of the reasons you had no records to look upon is because you had trouble with your computer system?
A. Well, it didn't crash, but we changed systems, so all of our old records were gone.
MR. TROCCOLI: Thank you.

http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/usa-v-zm-030806-02.htm

Atta and Al Shehhi were there around 2 and 3 July 2000.

One of Moussaoui's flight instructors is being examined by the prosecution:

Q. Now, Mr. Kassam, after September 11th, 2001, did you recognize the photographs of some of the 9/11, the 19 9/11 hijackers who died that day?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. How did that come about?
A. I was in Mombassa, Kenya, at the time vacationing, and I saw these images appear on CNN. It was, I think, Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi. And I remembered seeing them at Airman Flight School in 2000, in the summer of 2000.
Q. And you recognized their face?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. Tell the jury what happened when you saw them at Airman Flight School.
A. I was a student at the time, and I was walking out of the debriefing station, and I just pretty much ran into Mohamed Atta. It was pretty close. He was walking into the debriefing room from the hallway and I was walking out. And I looked up at him, and he said "hi" and I said "hi" and I walked out. And then I think I saw Brenda giving the tour, and Marwan al-Shehhi was trailing her, Brenda Keene.
Q. Do you remember what time of the year that was in 2000?
A. No, I do not remember.
Q. After you recognized those images on CNN, what did you do about it?
A. Nothing at the time. I just told my dad that, you know, these are some of the guys that I had seen at the flight school.
Q. And at some point did you report that to the FBI?
A. Yes, when I was back in the U.S.
http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/usa-v-zm-030906-01.htm

In the words of Mr Kassam......

It was, I think, Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi.

I think does not sound convincing.....

You can add Mr Kassam and Mr Keane to Shaid Nickels, Ahmad Maglad and Angela Duille(all from the Motassedeq trial) as witnesses who talk complete bullshit.

Q. Do you(Mr Keane) remember giving him(Atta) a tour?
A. No, I don't.
Q. Do you remember giving Marwan al-Shehhi a tour?
A. No. And I didn't know I did until the FBI TOLD ME THAT I DID.

But then Mr Keane goes onto say that maybe he did see Atta.....

Q. You(Mr Keane) have no present recollection of them actually being at the school?
A. No. After 9/11 and his(Atta) picture was everywhere, he's got a very distinctive face, and then I do remember seeing him at the school. I don't recall anything in specific about the, about the tour, but just remembered his face.

Looks like the FBI suceeded in convincing Mr Keane that he saw Atta and Alshehi when he NEVER did

information and documents going back to 2001.

Very cool.

Thanks for the link.