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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 02:59 PM
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Farhad Manjoo: Salon's Hit Man in the War on Truth
This is the letter I just posted on Salon in response to Farhad Manjoo's article "The 9/11 Deniers" which attempts to throw cold water on "Loose Change" and other 9/11 truth investigators:

http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/index.html

How sad to see Salon embrace the narrow-minded, see-nothing, do-nothing "War on Truth" mentality that has paralyzed our country in the past six years.

Manjoo, as hit man on both election fraud and 9/11, has attempted to deep-six the burgeoning truth movement on the two issues that are the twin pillars of the Bush Adminstration's foundation.

Without 9/11, Bush would have been run out of Washington perhaps before 2004. Without election fraud, he would never have taken office or been re-selected. Imagine what W's approval rating, already near freezing, would be if the truth were to come out on these two subjects.

You don't have to believe in Satanism, holograms, or missiles to know that the 9/11 official conspiracy theory as buttressed by the official 9/11 insider commission is utter bunk. There's so much evidence that provides strength to the hypothesis that this was an inside job. Bushco had the means, the motive (lots of motives!), and the unique opportunity to pull this off.

The very fact that it's unbelieveable that our government would do something like this keeps otherwise rational and intelligent people from considering the possibility of government involvement.

It isn't any fun to accept this truth and it requires a whole new way of looking at the world, a way that's unfortunately much more cynical and depressing than any of us would prefer.

Nonetheless, there is currency in truth and I, like millions of others, will continue to seek it out and eventually, we will find it.

What I won't do any longer look for that truth on Salon.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:09 PM
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1. I chuckle at the "explosives took down the towers" tin foil hatters
It's just so ridiculous. Someone care to explain to me how they managed to get the explosives on the same floors the planes crashed into?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:22 PM
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3. Why you are right, anyone who even dares mention it must be delusional!
The matter is closed! It bears no further discussion,we must ridicule all who raise the subject.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:47 PM
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6. That isn't the point
The point is to keep the issue open to discussion. My attitude is not to get hung up on the towers, the Pentagon plane or any other "physical" issue. There are plenty of other pieces of evidence that are not in dispute.

If you must bring up the explosives and WTC, you might spend a little time on the 9/11 forum here. There is lots of evidence and lively debate.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:54 PM
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23. sure,,marvin bush head of security had the "bomb sniffing dogs"
removed from the WTC 1 week earlier allowing explosives to be planted in key areas of the wtc. Not hard to do says Mark Louizeau (?). 10 devoted bush "new world order" ass kissers could do the job.
check this out. how many detonations did you count? http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem3/911.wtc.2.demolition.east.5.enl.slow.2.wmv


there's more here: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem3/911.wtc.2.demolition.east.5.enl.slow.1.wmv

funny how WT2 could break apart 15 floors above the impact area.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:12 PM
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2. Very nice. He won't get it though, but others might if they print it.nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:23 PM
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4. I'd rather discuss the election issue than a 9/11 conspiracy. n/t
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:45 PM
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5. Everything needs to be discussed
It's not all or nothing. Both issues are key, you can follow election fraud and others can follow 9/11. My point is that Salon, thru Manjoo, wants nothing to do with either issue, unless they are debunking conventional explanations.

This is not ok.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:49 PM
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7. I understand...
however, it's an election year.

So, IMO, one issue is much more deserving of our attention and energy, at this time.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:12 PM
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13. Why
They are all equally crackpot in the MSM's worldview.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:18 PM
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15. I disagree. RFK did an amazing job of exposing the flaws
in our current election system, and when Manjoo showed his stunning ignorance/ineptness with his response, it was a wondeful opportunity to demonstrate how easily this supposedly "crackpot" idea is real, and poses a very real threat to our democracy.

The 9/11 business... not so much. Not even close, actually.

And, again... election year... one issue rather extremely more important than the other, considering...
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:31 PM
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19. Rolling Stone isn't the Mainstream media
And why dont you check out how Salon.com reacted to RFK's article....basically called him a crackpot (if you read between the lines).....they did the same thing to Mark Cripsin Miller re: Fooled Again, and to Boxer and the Congressional Black Caucus re: the protest over Ohio's electoral votes.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:51 PM
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8. I am very disappointed in Salon
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 03:52 PM by bryant69
I mean would they really consider posting a similar hit piece on Buddhism or Islam or Christianity? The MIHOP/LIHOP faithful are entitled to their beliefs, and deserve the same sort of forbearance that any group of believers should have.

I don't intend to cancel my subscription to Salon, but they have gone down a peg or two in my book.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:58 PM
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10. Are you REALLY comparing centuries-old religions (no matter what you
feel about religion, they have been around with lots of followers for EONS) and MIHOP/LIHOP people?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:13 PM
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24. Yes - but largely for humorous effect
In the sense that neither the claims of Christianity nor the claims of the LIHOP/MIHOP faithful can be proven.

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:40 PM
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21. Very apt analogy to religion
MIHOP/LIHOP faithful are just that, a faith based community.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:48 PM
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22. I see we are in the basement now n/t
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:53 PM
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9. 9/11 sure didn't turn out
like the 1993 WTC bombing. The perpetrators of the 1993 bombing were caught, imprisoned, put on trial and sentenced. After 9/11 it didn't occur to me at first that there could have been a LIHOP or a MIHOP, though I knew INSTANTLY that it was great for the * administration. I thought Osama and his underlings would be caught and imprisoned and we would be seeing a trial every day on tv and in the papers until they were sentenced.

It bothers me greatly that this has not happened, esp. as I am a native of NYC.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 03:59 PM
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11. If you are speculating..just say so. If you have no proof, then you are
speculating.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:05 PM
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12. eh?
I'm not offering proof nor do I say that I am.

I do accept the hypothesis that it was an inside job and while there's lots of evidence to suppot the hypothesis it is certainly not proven. Nor, of course, is the Official caveman conspiracy theory proven.

You can keep your mind closed if you like. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:17 PM
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14. What gets me about the whole debate
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 04:23 PM by iconoclastNYC
Is how so many people think that it is impossible.

They don't know anything about history. Project Northwoods.

The fake battle that Hilter cooked up to get a pretext for going into Poland.

Or the Reichstieg fire?

To buy-in to the official 9/11 conspiracy theory you have to accept that about 100 coincidences all happened on the same day in perfect order. You have to accept that our 2 trillion in miltiary spending failed to protect it's freaking Headquarters. And you have to ignore what has been accomplished since then geopolitically.

The are the same assholes that broke laws and lied to Congress in the 80s. This is the Neocon Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal that Wilkerson has said ginned up the intelligence to take us into Iraq.

The sad truth is this country opened up Pandora's box with the National Security Act that created the CIA. The CIA can basically break laws at will and only 10 people in Congress will ever even get full access to know whats going on.

So... is it possible that it was an inside job? Yes. Do people make bad arguments that this did in fact happen? Yes.

If the Conspiracy Theory "debunkers" want to have a real debate they should pick up the strongest arguments from the 9/11 movement. Instead they cherry pick, throw stuff in about hollograms, and just say it's all crazy bunk. You don't want to seem crazy do you? Better ignore all of it.

In all of history three high rise buildings have fallen from fire, all on 9/11: WTC #1 and #2 which were struck by airplanes and WTC #7 which was NOT.

The 9/11 omission report just sorta forgot to ask why this is.

That's the smoking gun.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:19 PM
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16. Well said. n/t
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:23 PM
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17. But that theory supposes two big things:
(to paraphrase Richard Clarke on the subject)

1. This administration can keep secrets

2. This administration is competent

Both of these, as we know, are not the case.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:27 PM
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18. Oh it's the "Bush is incompetent" ergo inside job is immposible.
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 04:28 PM by iconoclastNYC
Newsflash sweety, Bush wouldn't have been the one wiring the explosives. He probably wouldn't have known about it at all.

An inside job would have come from an elite group out of the Pentagon with perhaps another group watching the whole thing to make sure it never gets detected. And the NSA is wiretapping everyone's phones to make sure the vow of silence is maintained.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:42 PM
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25. That's wat kills me too...
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 06:45 PM by Blue Belle
If you just take a look at history, almost EVERYTHING that Bushco does mirrors how the Nazis took and controlled their power. The public is convinced that what they saw on TV is true... even if it defies logic.

I'm so dissappointed in Salon.com for keeping Farhad Manjoo on their staff. Almost everytime I see hie by-line I know it's going to be a story that pisses me off.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:39 PM
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20. I couldn't agree with you more. He's the "management" sort-of hit man
for anything found to be unpleasant...can't discuss the most important attack on the USA in years; can't talk about the biggest theft (election 2004) ever. What a reporter...the voice of ignorance.

Here's what I think of Manjoo in excruciating detail:

Kennedy's Challenge: Salon, Mother Jones and the Tortured Dialogue


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/print.html?path=HL0606/S00193.htm


btw, Don't forget election naysayer, Mark Hertsgaard and his hit piece in Mother Jones late last year.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:24 PM
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26. Et tu, Salon?
Et tu, Salon?

Salon's Folly.

After Farhad Manjoo's failed debunking of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., (chronicled on Mark Crispin Miller's blog - check out the archive for the month of June), the editors of Salon must have gotten a little tuckered out responding to devastating letters like Miller's.

It seems like they got so tuckered out that couldn't find the energy to publish Miller's withering dissertation.

So, a decision was probably made that went something like this (of course, this is pure speculation on my part);

SALON EDITOR:
"Wait, I know, let's get him to take on the 9/11 skeptics! It's easy!"

Perhaps inspired by the lock-step rejection of 9/11 skepticism at the Daily Kos, Salon has now not only dropped the ball on Election Fraud, but has followed up with a stunning display of ignorance regarding 9/11 skepticism.

Now, I realize that Manjoo's ankle-high assault is upon Loose Change, and that the yeoman's work was already done by debunkers who actually know what they are yelping about, but the inference is clear, accept the Party Line, cyber-citizen!

The only admonishment missing, (so far), is... or else.

Now, when I infer that the Daily Kos has been a bit Draconian in regard to the topic of 9/11 skepticism, (and frankly, Election Fraud as well -- Kos calls that crowd Fraudsters), I should probably back that up a bit. Let's look at one of my Diary entries, titled: Powerful New Video on Controlled Demolition Hypothesis.

(I admit that I posted a forbidden diary topic at Kos, but frankly, I wasn't aware it was "forbidden". I know, ignorance of the law is no excuse, blah, blah, blah. What about ignorance of the truth? Does that count for anything? Anyhow, there was no blow-up over my Able Danger diaries and none over my McKinney post. So whatever.)



Now check out the comments. (Scroll down.)

I even attached a poll;



Here's what I find interesting, Kossacks were virtually unanimous in piling on my diary entry, and yet... here are the poll results;



So, I have to assume that the general approach to 9/11 skepticism at Kos is pretty much just as wrongheaded as its approach to Election Fraud. Besides, as Manjoo incredulously points out, Zogby polls are trending toward widespread skepticism of the "official story", in 2004, and now in 2006, not away from this skepticism.

And with good reason. As opposed to the attention focused on BYU Physics Professor Steven E. Jones in this other hit piece, the attention on Loose Change is entirely warranted. The updated version, LC2E has really kicked the anthill over.

However, although Manjoo has applied his arsenal of invectives liberally, (starting with the title; "The 9/11 Deniers" -- so much for a square handshake), his attack is more like Don Quixote's tragi-comic assault upon a windmill, rather than a general engagement with the milieu of 9/11 skepticism, so allow me to play Don Quixote's reprehensor, in keeping with the general farce.

Continued...
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