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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:23 PM Original message |
How, exactly, was Kerry a DLC candidate? |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. the guy has a very similiar voting record to Teddy Kennedy |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. because everything is the DLC's fault |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. people blame everything on the DLC |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Is DLC another name for the big dog's penis? |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Exactly |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. No, no. Dean was running the moderate campaign |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. It is confusing |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. His record is not more liberal than Deans |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. wow, even a thread about Kerry is a thread about Dean to you |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Interestingly enough |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. There was a clear differenc this time |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
52. nope...........people voted for Kerry because he wasn't bush |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
53. Right I wasnt criticizing Gore |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. How can he be #1 Senate Lib and DLC? |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Gore was actually a key member in the early DLC |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. nope |
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GRLMGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Why let a little thing like facts get in the way? |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. hah |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Because lifetime voting records |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Kerry is a member of the DLC... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. politicians |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Sure... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:31 PM Original message |
he was a progressive |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
19. well, I'm not blaming the DLC... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. You are not the reason I wrote that |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. Kerry was NOT a progressive candidate |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Yes he was |
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debsianben (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #58 |
101. RAN AGAINST THE WAR? |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 02:56 PM Response to Reply #101 |
122. It's a "mexed missage" |
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debsianben (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. OK |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
55. Kerry is DLC |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. let's go through this |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. but when Kerry was the front runner |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. the idea of cutting corporate taxes |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. No, |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. raising taxes |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I agree |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I preferred the Clark approach |
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debsianben (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
103. The Same Power? |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:17 PM Response to Reply #103 |
116. don't twist the meaning |
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debsianben (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. Tools of Diplomacy? |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
67. What loss, Don't you mean theft? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
82. Kerry wasn't from the progressive wing of the party |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:03 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. I think he was |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Welfare reform wasn't liberal by any means... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. he voted against welfare reform |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:16 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Also to his credit he did vote against DOMA... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. he's liberal |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. LOTS of people joined the DLC during the early 90s |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. yup, Dean was DLC, and Clinton was the Chair... |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. If Kerry was a DLC canddiate... |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. The DLC didn't endorse anyone... |
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debsianben (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
104. Didn't Clinton found the DLC? |
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Tippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 12:24 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. Al From was founder |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. When Dean was an elected pol, so was he |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Shrum was horrible |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Didn't mean to imply he was |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. that's the right attitude |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. right its not so black and white |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I agree, I never said otherwise... n/t |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
16. Those who call Kerry that are just pissed off cause their candidate |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. You're right |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. and one who has does not hold office or has successfully run for |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
18. He wasn't Howard Dean. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. Dean seemed to be the only candidate with any chance to win that the DLC |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Deleted message |
CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. not standing up to republicans |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Mendacious: |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. It was one person in the senate |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. The DLC is effectively in control of the party |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Deleted message |
Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
86. Alright, to act as a voice of reason between you two... |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
97. Ah, the sweet voice of reason. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:49 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Here's the thing |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Reasonable answers. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 02:40 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I disagree with your defeatist mentality on winning social conservatives |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 02:48 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Republicans don't campaign there either. |
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Zensea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
115. I bashed the DLC a decade before I ever heard of Dean |
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BlueManDude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
20. He wasn't Howard Dean - that means he's DLC. n/t |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
23. Be serious |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. he ran on raising taxes on the rich |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
74. That's exactly why |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
76. Sorry, I was there listening to the speeches |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Don't most candidates try to run as a "moderate"? |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. yes we were just taught that |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
78. I may be off here but |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Thank you |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Gees, let me count the ways he ran as a liberal |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
73. Not paying close attention? |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. universal coverage |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. True, but universal coverage was never proposed |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I think it was pretty liberal |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
119. Since Bush was selected, anything in the mainstream seems liberal |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
87. His voting record isn't that liberal... |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
32. Kerry /Edwards were the candidates of the establishment |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. You don't believe Dean and Clark were establishment? |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. There was lots of dirty stuff done to Clark |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I think you can make the argument they were less establishment |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. agreed |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
100. I didn't mention Sharpton & Kucinich |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. hell Dean was chairman of the dem governors at one time |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
38. I thought he was a member. |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. According to the DLC page, 20 Senators are... |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
39. because he kissed the ass of the DLC to get their support |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
42. IWR, NCLB, Patriot Act, |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
72. this is some revisionism |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. According to |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. well according to ADA |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. According to Bush |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:17 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Americans for Democratic Action |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. mmm... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. policy wise |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. It's totally feasible politically.... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 12:56 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. I'd move there |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #106 |
111. I'd move there |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
88. If you haven't, read this article about the DLC by Jon Corzine |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. Kerry was a DLC member, a liberal one, but a member nonetheless. |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
123. This is not relevant... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 07:59 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. It is very relevant, Corzine talks about the exact that we are debating... |
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itzamirakul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
98. Here is another great article to help you |
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shuffnew (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 08:20 AM Response to Reply #98 |
110. DLC is just an extension of the RNC |
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itzamirakul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 10:42 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. And so is their off-shoot, the NDN... |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
113. I don't consider him the "DLC" candidate |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. The DLC didnt like Dean |
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Doomsayer13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
117. only on DU is kerry the "DLC Moderate" candidate |
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Killarney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. exactly. DU is like bizarro world. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-04 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
121. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... |
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