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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 11:52 AM Original message |
"Late-Term Abortion" -- Let's get our facts straight |
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blackangrydem (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. Kerry took a major hit for his vote vs late term abortion bill |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. How did he vote? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. he voted against banning it |
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blackangrydem (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
86. It came up in the second debate, I believe. |
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MemphisTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. I thought late term abortion was classified in |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I don't know if there's a clear definition |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. life & health |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. More on this topic. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Right. The fundies came up with the term "partial birth abortion"-- |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. You're ahead of me |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. It's a relatively new one. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. OmiGAWD!! |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. That's what I said. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. OK, that means that I was "aborted".... |
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yellowdogintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. Hysterotomy is also used for the simple excision of fibroid tumors |
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MemphisTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Their argument is that Life of the mother is interpreted |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. That was REALLY crazy |
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snippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
10. The medical point of view. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. The sight of that bunch of sanctimonious white men |
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snippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Me too. Not my edit though. It was posted on DU and I just saved it. n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. D&X, D&E |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. If they are ALREADY illegal... why sacrifice political capital |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. To keep them from eroding the laws any further. |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. That's how THEY lose these arguments. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
56. Good Post |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Well.... all I can say is... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Answer |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. This 'both sides' argument is not only inaccurate, |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Disagree |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It is the pro lifers who blow up clinics... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. You are correct |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
84. I agree that most people are |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. The 1992 Casey canard? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. No |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Um...probably because the Democratic party is pro-choice. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Never said it was a bad thing |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. You're right. On that issue, they don't. Thank God. n/t |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
82. Thanks for pointing that out. Dems don't pander on this issue |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
68. Worse than lipstick on a Pig. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Seemed to work |
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Crowdance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #74 |
97. Who's this "we" of which you speak? |
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rfkrfk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 09:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
91. Not already illegal, in all states, at least |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
16. "This bill will chill the practice of medicine...." |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. More Facts |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. The problem is that these laws are so vague in many cases... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
46. Yes |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Misinterpretation |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Misinterpretation |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Motivation? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Yes, motivation |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. So she should just die? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Never suggested that (nt) |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Yes you did |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Where exactly did I say that? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
79. Don't pretend |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Actually many pro lifers believe both are true in some cases... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. People who want to ban abortions think they are all murder. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. True |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. That's an exaggeration |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
76. You're wrong |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Well, it wouldn't be the first time... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 01:00 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. The article did |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #83 |
94. hydrocefali...... the vast majority of reasons for late term abortions |
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Baconfoot (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 03:46 AM Response to Reply #51 |
88. hands out citation for making stuff up as per section 2348 of plan 9 NT |
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July (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 08:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
98. Pregnancy is riskier to women's health than abortion. nt |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 09:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
93. Abortion on demand? |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
22. That's a Good Site |
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mrgorth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
67. This is bullshit |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Look at What They Say on That Link |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
25. Give them an inch... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
57. Ridiculous |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 08:23 AM Response to Reply #57 |
89. Fighting for women's liberation... |
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RUDUing2 (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
42. the best source to use is the Alan Guttmacher Institute.. |
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diplomats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. I am not a Catholic, but it's my understanding |
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RUDUing2 (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. I am catholic and they do (and they don't) |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
53. an explanation why the federal ban is problematic |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
55. Question for All |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. No, I wasn't in favor of the bill. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Its not a question of abandoning issues |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. here's an answer |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Not sure I agree |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. I hope it will |
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RUDUing2 (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. nope, because of the same reason Clinto vetoed this bill..it didn't |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. I think the difficulty with that distinction is |
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RUDUing2 (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. as a woman I think mental health is just as important as physical health |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I can respect that. But understand |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
85. But if depression is included as health, then |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Why would you want to limit it to just physical health? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Fair enough |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Google "anencephaly" |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. the religious right don't want to trust women with a choice |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Done |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 09:17 AM Response to Reply #80 |
100. Anencephaly is lack of a brain. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. a political price only if we let the other side define the issue |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. I agree that the issue is difficult to define |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 08:50 AM Response to Reply #81 |
90. Then the "public" needs to be properly informed. |
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July (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 08:22 AM Response to Reply #78 |
99. Like some other medical issues, it IS difficult. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 09:14 AM Response to Reply #66 |
92. When women have abortions for health reasons in late term |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-04 09:30 AM Response to Reply #55 |
95. women's health...... n/t |
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talk hard (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
96. "Late-Term Abortions" are a myth. |
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