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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:25 AM
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Biden is ripping "W" pretty well on MTP right now!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:27 AM
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1. When Bidet rips the RIAA and MPAA, then I'll take notice.
Until then, he can go flush himself.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:36 AM
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2. Bah on Biden.
at the time of the war vote - he gave strong rhetoric... said he would support the president but would hold him accountable for the "promises" made behind closed doors ... about working with the UN... getting international support, etc.

BUT at the eve of the war he was "yea rah!" even though bush had broken his promises to leading senators that he made to get their vote. Worse was that he didn't really back, or help clarify Kerry's position that was pretty much what BIden had publically said at the time of the vote (on the floor of the senate.) He let Kerry twist instead of adding additional confirmation.

He has done that a LOT in his senate career. Make some very strong statements at one time... but at crunch time become very tepid and compliant to the opposing side.

Back in 1988, he was my early favorite after Hart imploded. Kept watching him. Ironically back then I trusted him over Gore (watched both closely inthe Senate). But, over the years Gore grew - policy wonk that can stand on principles. BIden - weakened.

So if BIden tears one right now... I expect he will be all complimentary again in about... two months when the chips are being stacked on some pubbie policy or another (bankruptcy reform? or maybe the next gen of give our energy tax dollars to enrons' compatriots energy policy... or whathave you.)
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:39 AM
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3. Is this the same thread that was locked....confused????...
Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 11:40 AM by coreystone
It would be my understanding that a "LIVE" news show would be LBN?????????????? Oh, I was going to ask about five minutes ago, what time zone???

:-)
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:55 AM
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4. Famous Biden speech starts:
"Four score and seven years ago,..."
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:00 PM
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6. *snicker*
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:57 AM
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5. FUCK Joe Biden!
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:39 PM
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7. Flush Joe Bidet
I still remember when he tanked and let Uncle Tom Thomas on the Whore Court.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 12:48 PM
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8. Someone should issue Biden a mirror and camera so he can play alone.
The self-appointed spokeman for the Democrats continues to convince himself that he has something to say.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 01:19 PM
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9. Biden. Signatory of PNAC's latest letter - Sept 28, 2004 - Russia
(Thanks AntiCoup2K4)

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An Open Letter to the Heads of State and Government
Of the European Union and NATO

September 28, 2004

As citizens of the Euro-Atlantic community of democracies, we wish to express our sympathy and solidarity with the people of the Russian Federation in their struggle against terrorism. The mass murderers who seized School No. 1 in Beslan committed a heinous act of terrorism for which there can be no rationale or excuse. While other mass murderers have killed children and unarmed civilians, the calculated targeting of so many innocent children at school is an unprecedented act of barbarism that violates the values and norms of our community and which all civilized nations must condemn.

At the same time, we are deeply concerned that these tragic events are being used to further undermine democracy in Russia. Russia's democratic institutions have always been weak and fragile. Since becoming President in January 2000, Vladimir Putin has made them even weaker. He has systematically undercut the freedom and independence of the press, destroyed the checks and balances in the Russian federal system, arbitrarily imprisoned both real and imagined political rivals, removed legitimate candidates from electoral ballots, harassed and arrested NGO leaders, and weakened Russia's political parties. In the wake of the horrific crime in Beslan, President Putin has announced plans to further centralize power and to push through measures that will take Russia a step closer to authoritarian regime.

We are also worried about the deteriorating conduct of Russia in its foreign relations. President Putin's foreign policy is increasingly marked by a threatening attitude towards Russia's neighbors and Europe's energy security, the return of rhetoric of militarism and empire, and by a refusal to comply with Russia's international treaty obligations. In all aspects of Russian political life, the instruments of state power appear to be being rebuilt and the dominance of the security services to grow. We believe that this conduct cannot be accepted as the foundation of a true partnership between Russia and the democracies of NATO and the European Union.

These moves are only the latest evidence that the present Russian leadership is breaking away from the core democratic values of the Euro-Atlantic community. All too often in the past, the West has remained silent and restrained its criticism in the belief that President Putin's steps in the wrong direction were temporary and the hope that Russia would soon return to a democratic and pro-Western path. Western leaders continue to embrace President Putin in the face of growing evidence that the country is moving in the wrong direction and that his strategy for fighting terrorism is producing less and less freedom. We firmly believe dictatorship will not and cannot be the answer to Russia's problems and the very real threats it faces.

The leaders of the West must recognize that our current strategy towards Russia is failing. Our policies have failed to contribute to the democratic Russia we wished for and the people of this great country deserve after all the suffering they have endured. It is time for us to rethink how and to what extent we engage with Putin's Russia and to put ourselves unambiguously on the side of democratic forces in Russia. At this critical time in history when the West is pushing for democratic change around the world, including in the broader Middle East, it is imperative that we do not look the other way in assessing Moscow's behaviour or create a double standard for democracy in the countries which lie to Europe's East. We must speak the truth about what is happening in Russia. We owe it to the victims of Beslan and the tens of thousands of Russian democrats who are still fighting to preserve democracy and human freedom in their country.




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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 02:23 PM
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10. crumbs for the starving confused masses, that's all.
the gutless wonders are all guilty. fire the lot.
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