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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:12 PM Original message |
Dean endorses electronic national ID cards? |
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politicaholic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. That's not Howard Dean, that's MechanoDean, built by the neocons... |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
84. That's part of the reason I didn't back him for President. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Sounds good to me. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. If you want to quote Josh Frank on Dean.....I can quote him on... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. ok, do it if it will make you feel better |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Of course you are trying to start a Dean flame war. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. None of those quotes is a clear statement against national ID cards |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
65. I think I'll take Dean's word for it rather than the ass who wrote the |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. I googled Joshua Frank and the first thing to come up |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yech |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Do the research yourself...don't trust Frank about Dean. |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. I've always thought this was a non-issue |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. Wyldwolf, you must be getting nervous about Dean now. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. sure there is a reason |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Is it like Axciom, no fly list, and all that stuff? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. yeah, probably just like that |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. This writer does not portray Dean's position. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Is it possible to have a thread about Dean w/o Clark-bashing? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. MF is bashing the source, Sparkly--as well she should. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Oh, and there is lots more disinfo at the source, on all candidates. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I know, but I don't find it painful. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. You might be right. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Not when it is being done in this manner. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. You seriously don't think you're helping Clark do you? / On edit |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Actually the more I read about what Dean actually said..... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. why do you think he is less supportive of it now? |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I am totally against it. And it's things like this that bother me |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I know the charges against Clark. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Neither one of them is running right now |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Tinoire, good post... however... |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Ok. Good point about the DNC chairmanship. Makes sense |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. A smidge of something cheering |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. Thank you Charlie! That IS cheering! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Tinoire, check out motive here both for Dean and for Wyldwolf. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. HD makes an excellent point. I'm just so tired of watching the Right wing |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. I said in a post earlier in another forum....and I will say it now. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Unfortunaly it wasn't. The timing doesn't seem right 4 this sort of thing |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I realize that you are way to our left. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Lol |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. You see "real" in a person. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. LMAO! |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. I hope he is not for this |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
25. I've said it about others I'll say it about Dean |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. I was going to make that point because that's how it should be but |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. they do lots wrong |
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DemOperative (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
27. pretty far stretch isn't that? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
30. Here is a page which has SENSIBLE discussion of this from January. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
34. This paragraph by Frank is outrageous. He just makes it up. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. He makes everything up, essentially by injecting his opinion |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I think sensible Clark supporters resent the source like we do. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
40. Counterpunch on Kerry, if you really want to see the outrage. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. In fact, we want right wing media to be responsible. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. ok, then... how about this source? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Another source here. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. You conveniently left off the first paragraph of this guy's |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Ah, that is the guy my source was debunking as exaggerating. LOL |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. your source didn't "debunk" - it rationalized... like you're doing |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. No, I am saying he said more than you admit. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. More than I admit? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. I have done what you asked. I found other sources, gave a reason for it. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. what, when, and where did I ask anything of you? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. You keep saying explain it, prove it. You ignore the points I make. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Where? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. See, that is all you do. You do not give credit. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:34 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Go right ahead |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. But you won't read why he said that. You do not want to know. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Has Dean gone on record as to why he said it and what he meant? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. So? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. so the source is bad, but |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. This is from the article, which Frank starts out as a fool. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
57. Maybe Dean is an Ellison Democrat |
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bushclipper (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
58. what I see in this thread |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. No, our Dems are the ones who sponsored the DMCA. Why pick on Dean alone? |
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bushclipper (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. no one is picking on Dean alone |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. So... |
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bushclipper (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. you've misinterpreted my statement |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Dean, Clark and Kerry |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:22 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Talk to wyldwolf, I thought we had. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:28 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. you also post anti-DLC |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Uh, I just said that wyldwolf, That is what I do. Nothing wrong . |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. your opinion |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Fuck the DLC |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. I'm not responsible for what he posts |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Right, let's be equal-opportunity pickers and bashers. My point, exactly. |
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bushclipper (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. Again, let me say |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. I do NOT demean individuals. I demean the DLC, deservedly so. |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
62. Gee, where did I hear this before? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. But HE DOES, HE DOES! |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. Actually, that's ok... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
103. Wyldwolf is dragging it up again, incap. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:52 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Remember the snip I PMed you today? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:48 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. I don't think that most people realize just how far this can go. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Transcript on its way. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
67. "Honestly, not trying to start a Dean flame war." |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
68. Shooting From the Hip: Kerry Out-Hawks Bush |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
71. Clinton's Legacy: Joshua Frank. Ugly article. |
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bushclipper (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:16 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. madfloridian, I have seen you post |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. She has posted pro-Dean stuff. |
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bushclipper (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:32 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. I've been on DU for a little over a year |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I post pro-Dean stuff. I post anti-DLC stuff. Nothing wrong with that. |
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bushclipper (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Just as there is nothing wrong with posting anti-Dean stuff |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. There is suspect motive. That is ok, though. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. You have seen me post about the DLC, that is it. |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:05 AM Response to Reply #75 |
111. "I've seen Kerry people and DLC people contend with much abuse here...... |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. yeah, they like DK.. but |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. For the most part I think that Joshua's job is one purpose. To divide |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
74. oh look, he confirms that Kerry and Clark were the DLC candidates |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. The Dems were so stupid regarding all of this. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:29 AM Response to Reply #74 |
108. Delusorevisionism again? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. She was posting what Josh Frank wrote....since we are quoting him today. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
104. Hey, Counterpunch even goes after Edwards. True? Probably not. |
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jswordy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
112. ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS! |
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