Do you hate the republicans and everything they stand for?

in case anyone's intersted:

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization," the failed presidential hopeful told the crowd at the Roosevelt Hotel, where he and six other candidates spoke at the final DNC forum before the Feb. 12 vote for chairman.

But Dean said the Democrats should not change their beliefs to be "Republican lite."

-- more -- and the link is in the other thread

Eduted to add: I do, however, yearn for Rockefeller Republicans, that now extinct breed.

Neocons are the antithesis of Democrats.
Run-of-the-mill moderate republicans we can find common ground with.

What do reoublicans stand for anyway? I don't think they even know.

I'd hate my parents, aunts, uncle's, grandparents, friends.... I don't hate them, but their leaders and they AREN'T republicans. My mayor is a true republican and I do like him and he's done great here in my town and the things he does makes BushCo and those like him NOT republicans. Only in name only because of what they do (using religion etc).

I think it means the ideology of today's "republicanism."

and YES I DO.

Bush and his neocon crew are the new republicans.

That is what you are and what you support and what you believe if you vote republican. This should be our position.

Republican = war mongering, anti-environmental, deficit spending, recession creating, imperialists.

Just like the pukes worked so hard to label the dems as far left, pushing our party to the right... we should do the same.

If people who are moderates don't want to be included with the republicans, they can leave the party.


Time to put them on the defensive. Time to fight fire with fire.

Every dumb Joe Sixpack that doesn't know what's going on? No.

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization."

Discipline and organization doesn't refer to Joe Sixpack.

political chop shop. And I think he means it!

Really, this stinks.

His father was an active republican, for all I know his mother still is. He's always been friendly with Jeffords, and got along well enough with other reasonable Vermont style repubs, but it was a stupid thing to say. I heard him say it and almost didn't notice it; as it wasn't said in an angry tone. Anyone from Vermont would recognize this as a classic Dean slip. I thought he'd learned not to insert his foot in his mouth. Guess not. Although I wish he wouldn't do this, I always found his not being overly careful in his speech part of his charm. Still, on the national stage, remarks like this are amplified, and it's not good.

Republican hot dogs and apple pie"? Shouldn't it be a reflex by now?

"I want to do what the republicans do...I hate the republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization"
He's saying that we should become disciplined and organized, but not sacrifice our values as democrats.

All your conjecture about him admiring rove is just that....conjecture.

what I've been saying about him for the last month!!! :D

NGU.

the voters.

That's what he said, and quite honestly, I'm sure that's what he means, because that's what he does.

NGU.

four years than see a good candidate (Kerry for example) get involved in that kind of slime. And I guarantee that Rove's chickens are coming home to roost, soon.

NGU.

confirmation hearings, which ain't gonna be pretty, I promise! :D

...putting words in Dean's mouth?

NGU.

Just curious how you learned that "discipline" and "organization" means smear campaigns?

Looks to me like "discipline" and "organization" refer to how organized the republican party apparatus is, and how diciplined they are at getting their message out and sticking to that message.

There's nothing in Dean's quote about types of campaigns, dirty tricks, or any of that... he simply refers to "discipline" and "organization."

How weak is your position when you must invent things that were clearly never said nor implied with which to prop up your attacks?

If what Dean said was so bad, why are you unable to debate what he said, instead of debating your distortiorted opinion of what you wish he meant?

I think I found a child left behind.

And then specifically called out From, Reed, Marshall, etc. as traitors.

How would you react to that statement, Marcus?

Some of my best friends are dumb Joe Sixpacks.

NGU.

I oppose the Republican agenda, lock, stock and barrel.

:hi:

:nuke:

:evilgrin:

and,

an articulate, vocal and opinionated DNC chair may do well for us.


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let's put them on the defensive permanently.

Moderate, old style Republicanism no longer has any relevance in this Party of War Mongering Fascists.

a republican.

Hate? No.

I may feel sorry for the "freeper" types of Republicans that rally against equal rights and refer to those with different beliefs as "Islamofascists". I often wonder how they can have so much hate vitriol in their hearts. How they can group an entire population together just because they are different. How they can feel no remorse about bombing innocent civilans. I hate their policies, yes. I think they are just wrong on every issue but I don't hate them.

Now Bush, on the other hand... him I loathe, detest, dispise, and whatnot. Him an his entire administration.

Bush has made it very easy to cross the line into hate. Well, hell, so has most of his administration! :(

There are Republicans and there are republicans. Then there are the weasels.

The Republicans of old, or Republican lite or Republicans of the lesser evil, I can deal with if I have to.

The republican freep sheep or the republican Joe Six Pack or the republican Joe Six Pack fundy, damn. Just Damn! Lost their jobs but that's okay, gays can't get married! bush is a good moral man! I'd could have a beer with bush. Just DAMN!!

The weasels are bush, cheney et al. I'm not overly fond of them and I hate everything they stand for and everything they do.

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(I guess you have to move quickly around here, on a subject like this.)

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It's such a far reaching question, it's a shame people would concur so venomously.

Republican policies.

Is that not enough of a reason to despise people so completely.

I think it is.

You can take your sanctimonious comments and come stay with me for awhile.

You will have a different point of view very quickly.

maybe, but there it is.

For me, Republicans and their hate America policies are synonymous.

sad.

I'm wondering if people are just agreeing as a way to deflect criticism of Dean for saying it. Anybody that says, "look at the statement in context" didn't learn enough from this last election cycle. Things are never repeated in context by our opposition.

Pragmatically, don't you all see that statements like this do nothing to help us - they change the topic from SS and torture and vote fraud to easy topics for the msm like what a bunch of angry nuts we Democrats are.

I don't hate the millions of people that voted for Bush. Many Republicans believe their agenda is better for America as strongly as we believe that it is disasterous. We need to convince them otherwise, and we won't do it by saying we hate them.

We used to be the party of tolerance - do we have no tolerance for people who hold different views than us? DU, you disappoint me.

There is a huge difference between being an opposition party and party to panders to loathing and hate.

"Here's a better idea" works a lot better than "I hate you"

It's hard to understand why the party continues to hand over almost every day, a set of "talking points" the republicans use to make us look like every thing we accuse them of being.

NOBODY jumps on your bandwagon because though a message of defeatism and negativity.

I long for the day when the party actually has a message that is positive, upbeat and the common Joe can nod their head in agreement.

This pandering to the "hate Bush" wing of the party is like handing the republicans a fresh magazine of bullets everyday to mow us down.

If "Here's a better idea" worked a lot better than "I hate you" the congress would be 98% democrats. Because that's all they do is play nice while the other side kicks them in the face.

The republicans did not gain control of our government's 3 branches by saying here's a better idea. They did it by defining the dems as a bunch a commie liberal homosexual loving baby killers, getting half the country to hate us, then presenting themselves as the alternative.

Here's a better idea hasn't worked... how many elections do we have to lose before you figure that out? Our ship is sinking and you're bailing water with a f-ing sieve. The answer is not more, bigger sieves.

...the posters hate the RepubliCON party and its immoral leadership - but not the RepubliCONNED voters?

NGU.

Guess you didn't bother to read my post either. Or the survey results at the top of the page. Or the number of my post.

So you're disappointed in DU because the Radical RW is determined to maliciously distort our words no matter what we say?

I'm just trying to get this clear.

NGU.

Do you think it's helpful to have the topic of conversation be about what Howard Dean said about Republicans? Or do you think a better topic would be SS and how the Bush plan is unnecesary and dangerous? Do you think we should be arguing about how awful the Republicans are, or talking about how awful excusing torture is? When he says things like this it changes the topic, because it is easier for the MSM to report crap like this then real discussion. And for so many people to vote that they agree with the statement in the OP is, yes most definitely disappointing to me. and that's about us, not the "Radical RW".

It's also sad that many of the Democrats posting here have forgotten some of our core values. Personally, I don't think it is a "value" to despise our political opposition or the people that voted for them. I think it's more effective and better for our country to put out our message and do it in a compelling way that makes sense to more Americans. Talking about hating just isn't a democratic value to me.

I HATE THE BASTARDS

"Hate" is a strong word and nobody wants to admit the way they feel. I "dislike" a nosy neighbor, an irritating co-worker or a judgmental relative, but when it comes to the Republicans who are steamrolling our constitution and wrecking our democracy, then YES, I HATE THEM. There's enough hypocrisy on the other side and I don't want to catch that particular disease.

not the sinner... ;)


actually, no. I suppose some of them I get frustrated and annoyed with when they choose to blind themselves to alternative information. Some of them I understand more or less where they are coming from, just feel they've been duped and are loathe to admit it, as anyone would be.

Then there are the NeoCon Bullshit Pushers - I really hate their actions and their unmitigated greed and love of power. I truly think they are as close to evil as we've seen here in a while, and that they've been running things for a couple of decades now at least.

Probably more than 75% when you take a few factors into consideration. Short stays and all that kind of stuff I mean.

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yes. Honest, old style Paleo-conservatives, not really.

even more ...to paraphrase our good Doctor Dean.

And i am one who simply doesn't use the word "hate" at all. But in this case, I do make an exception to the rule!

definitely.

Do I dislike the Republican leadership? Yes, I do.

Do I think the Republican policies are wrong for America? Absolutely!

Am I Donald Rumsfeld? Why, yes, I am, why do you ask? ;)

otherwise I won't be a true Democrat. <sarcasm>

No, of course I don't hate all republicans, that would be a stupid sweeping overgeneralization.

Hell, my best friend is a republican. (who voted for Kerry anyway with a little convincing from me, heh)

republican = right wing neo-conservative or compliant (bought off) conservative to all the neo-cons wish to do.

I do not trust any professional pol. Dem or Repug. Neither side has shown reliability or steadfastness once in office. Local, non professional ones are better, but once they go full time, they too are fall prey to the dark side.

*sigh*

and we must rid our nation of their scourge!

....there are plenty of good people who are Republicans because they are not paying attention.

dearly who are Republicans. They are misguided but do not deserve to be hated.

There are specific Republicans whom I despise but I cannot hate a whole swath of people because I disagree with them.

Like a good Christian, I'll just say that I hate what they're doing and not them.

Hate is a strong feeling, and hardly anybody is worth hating. Plus, I have family and friends who are either Republican or conservative in some other way.

Edit: I forgot to say that I do like some things they stand for. I like their ideas about keeping the government out of our lives. Now, if they weren't hijacked by the religious right, they could actually practice what they stand for more often.

Consequently, the Republican Party could have every social program strengthened and there's still no way I would vote for them. Get rid of the religious right and the need to just jump into a war, and a lot of my feelings might change.

I could find it "very easy" to hate. LOL

Watching Kerry on Russert, yesterday morning, I found myself thinking of him as a moderate Republican from the past.

They are a waste of oxygen. I detest everything about them. I loathe them with every fiber of my being.

It's over - this struggle is for the future of the planet - it's no time to play nice.

and we better be very afraid of them....they are killing this planet.

As one of the speakers at our excellent SD-25 conference said "Just because you like a wolf won't stop him from eating your sheep."

there are a few republicans that I don't see as being pure evil, and I can accept them, even though I would always choose a democrat over them, unless the democrat in question is a Zell Miller type...or what one would call a DINO.

Screw this nicey nice bullshit. We are about to lose everything we have fought for in my life time and some here are afraid to say they "hate" it and those doing it to us!

At this point they are unquestioningly obediant Fuhrer worshipping Totalitarians.

And as such must be opposed by Free People.

But hey, we live in Imperial Amerika. You want Free People, go to the Ukraine.

I certainly don't hate all Republicans, such as a few friends of mine who unfortunately are repukes, but I hate what their politicians stand for.

From the greedy money grubbing ones, to the ones who vote against their own best interests for purely self serving reasons, to all the rest in between. And I don't care how that makes me look in anyone's eyes.

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I said hate is a strong word, but then again, everytime I see those nuts on TV lying about something, it riles me up to the core. Maybe I do hate them now...?

honestly have so bought into the neo-con "just win baby" agenda that they have erased any redeeming qualities they may have had, in my eyes anyway.

DISCLAIMER: There may be exceptions to the "rule" above but they need to be louder and/or express a desire to get their party back from the fascists that now control it for me to care.

Don't you realize the physical and emotional repurcussions of hatred and bitterness?

However much I might disagree with and be frustrated by policies and people on the other side, I'll be darned if I'm going to let them win by making me a bitter angry person. Life is too short as it is, lving in this kind of emotion will only make it shorter.

When you live in a "Red state", hating Repubs would only torture you. Hate is not a motivator. It is a destroyer. The only way one can make a difference is to get up everyday and think about the task set before him and not how much one hates the "other side". It is an absolute waste of time. :)

i don't hate my aunt and uncles who are republicans. I hate their racist talk, undiversified views, and general philosophy of life but I do not hate THEM. They have actually been extreemly helpfull and kind to me on many occasions, and I hope to have a chance to change their views at some point, if only a little.

As much as I love Howard Dean, I am not found of that statement. We need to reach out to republcans and try to convince them with love and understanding, not meeting hate with more hate. We need to take the higher ground and lead them there, show them that god is love, and the greatest sin of all is ignoring him, in ignoring the love in our own hearts.

Don't hate.

Give in to the Dark Side!

It doesn't matter which party they claim to be in. PPI is no better than PNAC, just slightly more whitewashed.

However the neocon control is more absolute in the current Republican party. Though that may not be the case for very long unless we cut down the neocon shitbag slime in our own party NOW.

There are a lot of people who would not be Republicans under other circumstances.

I hate the current neocon agenda. I hate all the neocons who wrap themselves in the flag and crush dissent. I don't hate every single Republican, though I certainly do get angry at them.

responsible for the biased RW media garbage spewed out over the airwaves every day.

I picked "other" because saying you hate "Republicans" sounds like you mean all of them, and I don't hate all of them.

Scarborough is the current target of my hatred. He just took a low shot at Wesley Clark (as well as Ted Kennedy and Madeline Albright). I asked DUers to e-mail him and complain about the garbage he is spewing. I would love it if more DUers would join in and give MSNBC a piece of our mind:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1548102

They are trying to gut Social Security, health care, our natural resources, our skies, our planet. They are killing thousands of innocent people to further their agenda.

I can no longer afford to take some moral high road and say "Oh, I cannot hate them." They are trying their damndest to ruin the last remaining vestiges of a decent America.

I didn't want to hate them, but hate is just about the last thing I 've got left. :kick:

HATE 1 a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b : extreme dislike or antipathy : (from http://m-w.com/ )

In fact it is sophmoric language and more rookie mistakes from Dean.
I think we can do better. I hope the hell Dean is not our nominee in '08.

and you can't forget this was in his prepared remarks, not during the Q&A, so there was no excuse for him to say it. It continues his long string of verbal miscues that sunk his presidential nomination last year. We can't have the DNC Chair's hyperbole overshadow the message he's trying to send, which I fear is what will happen if Dean is voted into this position.

Most certainly.

on their high moral side, well seems to me the last time I looked in the Bible's book of Revelation it said that God was going to bring about Armageddon(destruction of all but the repugs if you ask them since Dems are not moral). So is it love/hate that provokes God to kill billions of people? Many references to hate by God are in the Bible and God even says to hate evil so if some repubs are evil then they merit evil. In retrospect though some are actually in sympathy with the evil even though they may not have committed evil however, I say if one knows of the evil and goes along with it that one is evil and merits hate.