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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:33 PM
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What's Obama's reason for ducking Cindy Sheeham support?
anyone have a clue?

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CubsFan1982 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:35 PM
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1. Maybe cause they have questions about her that still aren't resolved.
Maybe that's it.
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:38 PM
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2. I think it's fairly obvious---Obama is one sharp guy and he
would be crazy to identify with her----she's has a good message but she is a loose cannon.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:46 PM
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5. Cindy's a loose cannon? compared to whom? George Bush?

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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:48 PM
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8. Maybe they are both loose cannons.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:26 PM
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37. I don't think she's a loose cannon.
She is taking A LOT of abuse for taking a stand and is handling it quite well from what I've seen.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:52 PM
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10. WTF????
Obama is playing it safe....just like many others. I don't like it but I guess it is all part of the game called politics.
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:03 PM
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20. John Kerry played it safe in 2004
Kerry played it safe after our convention and look where it got him. He was pummeled by the swift boat whores for a month and never recovered. Daschle played it safe and now he is a lobbyist. It is time for our elected leaders to show some courage. The leaders of our party should travel to Crawford and embrace Cindy. Show the citizens of this country that we support Cindy's cause and oppose AWOL.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:07 PM
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24. CityDem - you are absolutely correct!

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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:14 PM
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25. CityDem is absolutely wrong, for the very good reasons
set forth by other posters on this thread.

The minute ANY prominent Democrat shows up in Crawford the story becomes about him or her, and the issue becomes as partisan as the Republicans have claimed it was all along.

Kerry, Kennedy, Clark, Dean, Boxer, Conyers and other leading Democrats have all made statements of support for Cindy, and that's all they should do.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:40 PM
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32. That's fairly offensive...
Crazy to stand for something and identify with her....got it. The dims are standing tall as usual.
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gokar Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:48 PM
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38. Cindy may not be a loose cannon, but her message does not
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 09:49 PM by gokar
resonate with any of the nationally prominent politicians.
You will NEVER see Hillary, Kerry, Obama, Lieberman, that senator
from Indiana (whose name escapes me at the moment), or any one else
who has future presidential ambitions, in Crawford, TX.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:38 PM
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3. Obama is overseas on official business
the Sheehan protest is important, but there are other important things to, like for example loose nukes.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0508270049aug27,1,1261234.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

MOSCOW -- The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Richard Lugar of Indiana, and its newest member, Barack Obama of Illinois, began a weeklong tour of former Cold War weapons sites Friday to inspect the progress of dismantlement and highlight what they fear is a growing global threat from stolen nuclear material.

Poor security at aging nuclear, chemical and biological weapons facilities across the former Soviet Union has been a longstanding worry. But Lugar said he was encouraged that Russia recently agreed to open warhead sites to three U.S. inspections, which would allow for specialized training, stronger oversight and a better idea of what risks lie inside.

"It has broken a logjam of misunderstanding," said Lugar, who for more than a decade has been traveling here at least once a year to measure the advances that countries have made in eliminating their nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. "This was an important breakthrough."

Sen. Obama's first foreign trip

Obama, making his first foreign trip as a senator, said until the weapons were destroyed or properly safeguarded, the U.S and other nations were vulnerable to a nuclear attack. Neither the government nor the public, he said, views the threat with sufficient urgency.

"People can sort of put it off, and it's not confronting you day-to-day in an immediate sort of way," Obama said. "The consequence of inaction can be enormous, but I think it's one of those issues where until it's too late, you don't see a problem."

Obama, a Democrat, and Lugar, a Republican, also will travel to Ukraine and Azerbaijan. And they will meet with British Prime Minister Tony Blair next week in London.

more...
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:45 PM
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4. Curious as to why you think he's ducking support
more than anyone else in the Senate? Why single him out?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:47 PM
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6. Obama, umm, actions speak louder then words?


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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:55 PM
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14. Imagevision, how is he ducking?
He is in the former USSR. Should every Dem Senator be in Crawford? Should every DEM senator make a statement of support daily? I don't get it, he is obviously not discouraging her. Are you in Crawford?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:00 PM
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17. Obama ducking? In USSR? when he returns he should rethink priorities
where was Obama before USSR trip? where was he when Ohio election fraud was going on and Blackwell was calling the shots on the recount?

Sure he's sharp, that's why I would expect my top guns up front where they count and are needed!

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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:47 PM
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7. its best to not overly politicize this
right now its an angered mom against the POTUS. if notable democratic politicians get involved it will give it a partisan vibe to the american people and undermine the fact that its simply about a mother in need of answers.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:25 PM
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36. good point.
In fact, in the beginning, I heard this message a lot on Air America.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:49 PM
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9. As far as I can tell most dem leaders are ducking her
have any presumed Dem Presidential Candidates been to Crawford?

Unfortunate, and a missed opportunity IMO.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:52 PM
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11. Actually, very good move on their part
It is better to let this movement stay a grassroot movement and that the focus be on this mother and not on a series of politicians trying to get the light on them.

We need this movement to stay the movement of the people. Pols can act on other platforms like TV, Congress, ...
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:53 PM
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12. I kinda agree to a point...
I think at some point they should get involved; but not now.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:54 PM
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13. Good point, during the elections next year we will see how it plays
out.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:05 PM
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22. What do you expect to happen different with paperless Diebold's??
2006 will have more election problems because of the possibilities of Repugs losing seats..that's why election reform is needed now but the Hillary's and Obama's have busy agenda's while serious issues go unchecked in their own backyard!


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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:02 PM
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19. Good move on their part? are they resolving election fraud or something??

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:06 PM
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23. Totally different issue. On this particular issue, they are right, sorry.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:15 PM
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26. why are they right???
explain why Hagel can state that Bush should talk to Ms. Sheehan but Dem senators stay mum on the matter?

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:22 PM
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31. They did... At least some did...
This has been documented again and again on DU.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:46 PM
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33. For the reason the MSM, especially Faux, is trying to tie her to liberal
media groups. The idea of an individual mother, joined by other parents of dead and wounded soldiers, gains popular support from the average person. If they can link this homegrown protest to a concerted anti-Bush publicity machine they can chip away at her public appeal. Why do you think you're hearing Moore, Soros and Code Pink thrown into every discussion of her and her motives?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:56 PM
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15. Most Dem Leaders are also ducking Diebold problems as well.

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:59 PM
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16. The politicians should stay away.
They'd just muddle the message.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:00 PM
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18. What is Frist's reason for not going anti-Sheehan?
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 07:01 PM by never cry wolf
You have a clue? Sorry, dumb question. I am sure if Obama were asked about her, he would support her. Has he been asked to make a statement or take a stand? If so I am unaware of it.

Sorry, I call BS. And I am sorry i kicked this sorry thread.
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:05 PM
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21. Obama had a town meeting locally that I attended
last week, and he was both very respectful and very complementary towards Cindy. You still haven't explained what leads you to say that he (or anyone else) is ducking her.
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:30 PM
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27. one question,
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 07:31 PM by Senator Lamb
why all the Obama hate? he is charismatic, charming, great personal story not to mention a great convention speech. he also opposed the iraq war and insisted his name be taken of the DLC list.

i also suggest you read his commencement speech that was posted on daily kos. if i knew how to link things i would do it. it stood for everything the majority of DU members post everyday filled with clarity on the responsibility of the government towards its people. very populist.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:34 PM
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28. you answered your own question
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 07:35 PM by Cocoa
Obama is such a threat he must be destroyed.

p.s. Feingold is next, I'm wondering when they'll start on him, from the right and from the "left."
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:49 PM
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34. Because people cant be bothered to listen to what somebody says
A lot of people assumed that Obama was somebody he was not, not because he had misrepresented himself, but because they did not listen to him.

So, when he turned out not to be the ultra-liberal, attack dog heroe they were waiting for, but a good, solid senator who thought before he did things, they were not surprisingly disappointed, but from their own making.

I am waiting the same thing concerning Feingold because people did not bother listening to what he was proposing. I am just wondering when it will come.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:52 PM
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29. He's running for President...
Maybe not in 2008, but he's definitely "tip-toeing" for a reason.
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:00 PM
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30. how is he tip-toeing?
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:22 PM
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35. Obama rides the fence for safety
He's a polished politician, and doesn't want to rock anyone's boat, so he plays to both sides. I think it's called, taking the high road. :shrug: :dilemma:
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