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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 08:45 AM
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Olympia Snowe Rocks
Snowe: Iraqis must 'take ownership'
By BART JANSEN, Washington D.C. Correspondent

Copyright © 2005 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.

WASHINGTON — Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine joined the uneasy chorus Wednesday calling on President Bush to withdraw from Iraq, though she opposes any specific timetable.


http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/state/051201snowe.shtml?survey88209

Take the poll that's on the same page.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 08:50 AM
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1. I wonder if she's up for re-election in 06?
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Hoosier Democrat Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 08:54 AM
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2. Yes, she is up in '06
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HillDem Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:19 AM
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7. It's rumored that she will retire
If not, she will be re-elected easily
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 08:57 AM
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3. As a Former PA Resident,...
...Snowe and Collins are VAST improvements over specter & little rickey santorum. That being said, both of them are still bush supporters. I've had correspondence with Sen. Snowe on more than 1 occasion since moving here. She says correct things publicly, but in her letters she still presents an overall support for the bush agenda.

While Snowe may be one of the few truly safe r's next year, I will still work very hard for her defeat, even if it simply means making the rethugs spend more money here than they planned. That may make a pick up somewhere else more doable, and we just might get a D in her place!
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:05 AM
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5. I moved here less than a year ago from NY
and have found the same thing regarding correspondence with Sen. Snowe.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:32 AM
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8. HI, Fellow Transplant!
Where from?

What area are you in now? We're in Augusta.
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:36 PM
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23. Hi!
We moved from Woodstock area, but were originally from Dutchess County. The area just kinda esploded over the past 10-20 years.

We live in Wiscasset now. Great area, we love it here!
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:10 AM
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32. We're Mainers...
...for LIFE!
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Daylin Byak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:24 AM
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14. I wouldn't say that Snowe and Collins are upgrades
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 10:27 AM by Daylin Byak
I say there somewhat the same. Snowe is somewhat like Arlen Specter cause of her liberal views on certain subjects on abortion.

Collins is like Rick Santorum cause they both pi*s off alot of people and they both annoying when speaking.

But an upgrade no I take Arlen Specter over Olympia Snowe anyday of the week cause in my mind Snowe is more of a bush supporter than specter and supports alot of republican backed bills than Specter.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:23 AM
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19. Exactly. I don't care how decent Snowe is. She has an "R" next to her name
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 11:24 AM by SteppingRazor
She's a shoo-in for re-election, and contrary to rumors, I doubt she'll retire -- if she intended to, they'd be grooming a replacement already, and they're not.

Anyway, the point is that, because of the "R" next to her name, she allows for a Republican majority in the Senate. I don't care how moderate or progressive she is. If she wanted to help the causes of sanity and decency, she'd switch parties. As it is, her presence allows the party of murderous thugs to maintain its majority in the senate.

If we had a chance at a win, even if the Democrat was arguably more conservative, I'd want her out of there. I'd vote for a Lieberman over a Snowe any day of the week. The fact that Republicans control all branches of government is killing us.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:28 PM
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22. Today, She Looks Like a Shoe-in,...
...but so did bush sr. this time in 1991.

After last month's elections the message is that even safe republicans can be had.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:05 AM
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4. I like her. She's decent.
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 09:05 AM by Neil Lisst
And articulate. Susan Collins votes OK, but I don't know how anyone can listen to her voice. She's the worst public speaker in the Senate. Of course, she represents a constituency smaller than a mayor in Houston represents.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:19 AM
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6. Done.

No: 59.24%

Yes: 36.97%

Undecided: 3.78%



Total Votes: 238

I have always liked her. She is the one Republican that - tho I may not always agree with her - still has my respect.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:34 AM
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9. She is better than the VAST majority of r's,...
...but check out posts #'s 3 & 5!
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:29 AM
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15. I know. She tows the party line...
Disappointing but still Republican.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:47 AM
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10. She's as two faces as it gets.
Her voting record stinks on anything important. She voted for real-id, voted against minimum wage hike, and on and on. About her only real sticking point is abortion, and she even drops that when it comes to judicial appointments.

Crap sprayed with perfume and placed decoratively is still crap.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 06:39 AM
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31. yep, completly agree with you on that
if you go to project vote smart, one of the things she says she stands for is increasing the min. wage. Just like many politicians, they say one thing to get elected, and do the opposite once they do. It's not because she's a republican that I don't like her, I pretty much don't like any of the elected officials in this state, and Baldacci is the top of my list and he's a democrat. An ass is an ass regardless of party affiliation.
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4bucksagallon Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 09:58 AM
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11. Who are you kidding she's still a nut
She is going to be running for re-election and she is from a BLUE state, you do the math. She is still a reptile and always will be, just like Collins. Don't be deceived by her. Back when term limits were all the rage she said she would not run any more and that was years and years ago. Maybe all the emails, letters and polls are finally having an effect on her, she did after all vote to give the president the authority remember. Some call her and Collins moderates, well they are both still shills for the republicans.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 03:29 PM
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28. Just like with McCain
Remember how people used to be duped by him? Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice: can't get fooled again!
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:13 AM
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12. would opposing any specific timetable for withdrawal from iraq, erase the
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 10:14 AM by flordehinojos
fact itself that she is standing for withdrawal?

I mean, if you are for withdrawal, you are for withdrawal

why would anyone call for withdrawal by staying the course?

in other words, is she sort of talking out of both sides of her mouth?

it is confusing to me.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:20 AM
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13. Unreal that people are praising a Republican
who constantly votes for far right policies and supports the Bush agenda.

Some days, I think I wake up to a parellel universe.

Other days, I realize exactly why the Dems remain the minority party- they bend over backwards to legitimize Republicans and their policies.

6 lost elections- and what's looking like it might be a 7th, and still people won't learn.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:18 AM
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18. We're gonna need a few republicans to get our exit strategy
I agree, she's a republican through and through. But if we could get the majority we're still going to lose a few democrats like Lieberman. But hopefully we could pick up an Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins to counter-act Lieberman.

But I would never vote for her if I was in Maine. Never voted for Specter when I lived in PA
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hobbywizard Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:37 AM
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20. Unreal that you can't differentiate between bad and worse Repubs
{Snowe} constantly votes for far right policies and supports the Bush agenda.

Uh, no she doesn't. Project VoteSmart - Snowe's voting record

The question the THOUGHTFUL Demo will consider is, if all Repubs were like Snowe, would we be in Iraq? Would we be constantly fending off abortion challenges? Nobody says she is preferable to the average Demo officeholder. But she is better than 90% of her Repub pals.

Other days, I realize exactly why the Dems remain the minority party- they bend over backwards to legitimize Republicans and their policies.

Nope, that's not what graywarrior was doing in this thread. I'm happy to see moderate Repubs getting emboldened. It helps DEMOS and everyone else who thinks this war is a very sad affair.
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Daylin Byak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 03:20 PM
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26. I don't care I will support certain Republicans
Like Specter and Lincoln Chafee(if he was my senator) cause of there liberal views on certain espically Chafee, I mean come on some call Chafee him a RINO for god sakes and he didn't even vote for president bush.

I won't vote out a Republican just because he's a republican. They have to do something for me to vote them out like vote for a ceratin bill that i'm againist or constanly bash the Dems.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 10:35 AM
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16. Rocks?????
Just becuase she agrees with troop withdrawl???

She's still a regressive who supports and admires Chimpy.

Dems always kiss Rethug ass!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:11 AM
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17. So, I had a weak moment
Crucify me.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:18 PM
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21. No Crucifying here, graywarrior,...
...cause she still is better than many r's!

I'll be working to get her out, though!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:53 PM
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24. So, when I move back to Maine, I'll help you.
Deal?
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:12 AM
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33. EXCELLENT!
When are you returning?

You're coming back to Portland, aren't you? ChicaAzul and I are in Augusta!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 03:29 PM
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27. No, you were right
It's very important whenever a Republican moves away from Bush and stay the course. She's done that. She also has a unique ability to move the Senate on issues she cares about. She did it on some of the tax cuts that working people got back in 2001. She's done it on some small business issues. She's a good person to have moving in our direction. I don't agree with all her politics, but she's on the right side of an awful lot of issues.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:29 PM
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25. There is no such thing as a good Republican, sorry to say...
Anyone who is in that Party, and has voted with that Party and run on its priciples is a monster. Period. End of story. She is responsible for the mess her Party has made of this country.

She may be decent as Republicans go (and to the left of Joementum on some issues), but she's a Republican, nonetheless. And that makes her responsible for the mess her Party has made of this country.

TC
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:58 PM
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29. Surprise...surprise...surprise
Sen. Snowe is so "pro-choice" she votes for every single right-wing judge. How do I know that she is "pro-choice," since her judicial voting record gives no hint, because I have a female name. Every letter that I've ever received from Snowe, no matter what the subject, loves to remind me of her "pro-choice" stance.

Collins, btw, is worse, and rumored to be stupid to top it off.

Snowe has hired a campaign staff and is raising money.

We need to make her spend every last cent on her own race before she spreads it around. Wicked good thinking.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:42 PM
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30. If you voted for Bill Frist...
...as Majority Leader, I don't care if you kiss lepers, and plow my driveway.

Sorry. The occasional calculated foray into 'moderation' doesn't cut it.

If Snowe had the courage of her alleged convictions, she'd have pulled a Jeffords. There's no electoral downside to her becoming an independent -- her seat is safe.

She caucuses with the R's because that is where her heart is.
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