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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:41 PM
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MSNBC should resign itself to being last in the ratings.....
...and work to give an opposing viewpoint to FOX-TV. Forget the conservatives! Fire Tucker! Fire Scarborough! And hire "liberals" that are "fair and balanced" and not afraid to give their positions. But do not put people like Monica Crowley or Joe Scarborough in the dominant positions of any programs. They do not need shows where every liberal has to act like Alan Combes to straight-man Sean Hannity...MSNBC needs to offer a true alternative and forget about trying to be like FOX and start offering a different opinion.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:43 PM
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1. You think GE wants the American people to be informed by its news network?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:46 PM
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4. True that.
I probably is more important to them to spread corporate propaganda to a few viewers than to do actual news that would get them more viewers.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:48 PM
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6. At Some Point...
...any corporation will pay attention to the bottom line. Jeff Immhelt (CEO of GE) is busy trying to prop up the stock price by divesting the lower profit divisions of GE such as insurance underwriting. If MSNBC contiues to underperform, even though it offers GE a RW mouthpiece for their considerable high profit defense business, they will have to cut it loose.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:45 PM
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2. That would be thinking out of the box wouldn't it?
But that's too difficult for the marketing geniuses that run these cable networks to comprehend. Nope, they'll just keep repeating the same pointless formula in the vain hope of breaking off a few idiot Fox viewers. Ditto for CNN.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:46 PM
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3. Olbermann's ratings are UP. You'd think they'd get a clue
:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:47 PM
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5. When Donahue's ratings were up at MSNBC, he got fired.
:shrug:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:49 PM
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8. Arrgh! I forgot about that.
:grr:
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:31 PM
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19. Donahue was giving O'Reilly a run for his money, wasn't he?
MSNBC told him he was "too liberal"?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:49 PM
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7. Absolutely.
I was thinking that the other day too. The Office Manager needs an enema.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:49 PM
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9. That's a great marketing idea, the "un-Fox". They have nothing to lose.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:11 PM
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10. You're right. MSNBC suffers from poor leadership.
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 01:12 PM by Neil Lisst
When they had Phil Donahue, they were headed the right direction, but then they caved to the right and cancelled him. Since then, they've tried to emulate Fox News part of the time, and tried to actually produce decent news the other part of the time.

Flush Scarborough, flush Abrams, flush Tweety, flush everyone between Imus and Olbermann.

Start over. Leave Imus in the Morning. Beef up the day with Ron Reagan, David Gregory, and Nora O'Donnell. Bring Phil Donahue back. Simulcast some Air America. Get out there and stake out the left of center.
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Heewack Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:42 PM
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11. They are only concerned about money.
That's all any network is concerned with. Being balanced or fair takes a back seat to the bottom line.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:51 PM
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16. They're a business. That's what businesses do. NT
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:02 PM
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12. Spot on...
... and if they werent' owned by GE, would probably have already happened.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:51 PM
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17. If they weren't owned by GE, they probably would have gone out of
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 02:52 PM by NYCGirl
business a long time ago.

Edited for typo
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:07 PM
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13. If they would just put a real news show on in place of that FOX
has been, Rita Cosby, they could really rise in the ratings.

I'm sick that when I come home from work, I only have a choice between Tabloid Rita and Smarmy Larry. I want some NEWS!!
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Red Knight Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:34 PM
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14. Liberals don't watch television
or listen to radio, apparently.

How else to explain Fox's huge ratings and the Limbaughs and Savages and so forth? Personally I was shocked how many more viewers were watching that dope O'Rielly over Olbermann.

I mean--you can't even learn anything from Fox news--and not only that---Paula Zahn had better numbers, as did the brain dead Situation Room.

I realize that people on this board watch Obermann---I know I do---but where are all the liberals when it comes to news ratings? It's a bit odd. Until our numbers start making a difference in these outlets(ratings) nothing much will change.

There CAN'T be that many more right wing nuts running around--there just can't. But I'm at a loss to explain why Fox dominates the others or why liberal radio struggles to get a foothold and conservative radio thrives.

I don't know.

The whole thing is just very odd.
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tledford Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:50 PM
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20. I don't think many liberals watch TV
for news any more, at least; it has been years since there has been anything other than RW claptrap and Republicans and their apologists in television news.

Plenty of us listening to AAR, however. Randi Rhodes is very cathartic.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:36 PM
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15. Alan Colmes is a mealy-mouthed little douche
How he cashes his FOX News Channel paychecks with a clear conscience is beyond me.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:06 PM
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18. god that is such a wonderful thought. n/t
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