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neurochaos Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:19 AM
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THE STRAW MAN EFFECT
FOLLOW THIS: WHEN NOTHING IS GOING YOUR WAY AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN IS FALLING APART, WHAT CAN YOU DO?

YOU BUILD A STRAW MAN

AND WHAT IS A STRAW MAN, YOU ASK?...IN THIS CASE A STRAW MAN IS A MADE UP ISSUE DESIGNED TO BE WEAK AND FRAGILE IN ORDER TO BE EASILY KNOCKED DOWN. THUS GIVING THE ONE WHO CREATED THE STRAW MAN THE APPEARANCE OF A MUCH NEEDED VICTORY. THE BIGGER YOU BUILD UP THE STRAW MAN, HOPEFULLY, THE BIGGER YOUR VICTORY SEEMS. MOSTLY, THESE STRAW MEN ARE USE TO EITHER DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM OTHER ISSUES THAT AREN'T GOING GOOD FOR YOU OR TO HELP YOU STAY AFLOAT UNTIL THE BAD TIMES PASS.

ENTER BILL O'REILLY...OVER THE PAST YEAR; MEDIA MATTERS FOR AMERICA, AIR AMERICA,DU AND MANY OTHER LIBERALS HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE TRUTH OUT TO THE COUNTRY ABOUT BUSH, THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR LIES. SO WHAT CAN O'REILLY AND HIS RIGHT-WING PALS DO TO TRY AND SILENCE THE UPROAR? CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO A WINNING ARGUMENT FOR THEM.

HELLO "ATTACK ON CHRISTMAS"

ATTACK ON CHRISTMAS IS THEIR STRAW MAN. NOW WHEN A STORE SAYS "MERRY CHRISTMAS", THEY CAN CLAIM VICTORY. EVEN THOUGH THE STORE ALWAYS SAID MERRY CHRISTMAS.
BUT GUESS WHAT BILLY, YOUR STRAW MEN WILL BURN WITH EVERY ROADSIDE BOMB THE BLOWS UP OVER IN IRAQ.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:21 AM
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1. That's cool but...
"CAPS LOCK" SUX.
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neurochaos Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:32 AM
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4. so tell me how you really feel
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:38 AM
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7. Cap Locks make for easy reading for us old folks.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:39 AM
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8. hahaha...good point!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:22 AM
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2. Thanks for the explanation
the term "straw man" has been used here before, but I wasn't quite sure if I understood it. Your explanation shows me I did.

O'Reilly has another straw man, btw: he's been attacking liberal bloggers and has created an "enemies list"-all to distract from the fact that his popularity (and ratings) have taken a nose dive lately.

BTW, welcome to DU! :hi:
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:14 PM
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12. Understanding common Logic Fallacies is an art and a vaulable tool
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 03:19 PM by BrotherBuzz
When arguing with someone in an attempt to get at an answer or an explanation, you may come across a person who makes logical fallacies. Such discussions may prove futile. You might try asking for evidence and independent confirmation or provide other hypothesis that give a better or simpler explanation. If this fails, try to pinpoint the problem of your arguer's position. You might spot the problem of logic that prevents further exploration and attempt to inform your arguer about his fallacy. The following briefly describes some of the most common fallacies (I'm not sure why, but most RW talkshow hosts resort to logic fallacies all the time. My sport is catching them in the act ;)):



ad hominem: Latin for "to the man." An arguer who uses ad hominems attacks the person instead of the argument. Whenever an arguer cannot defend his position with evidence, facts or reason, he or she may resort to attacking an opponent either through: labeling, straw man arguments, name calling, offensive remarks and anger.



appeal to ignorance (argumentum ex silentio) appealing to ignorance as evidence for something. (e.g., We have no evidence that God doesn't exist, therefore, he must exist. Or: Because we have no knowledge of alien visitors, that means they do not exist). Ignorance about something says nothing about its existence or non-existence.



argument from omniscience: (e.g., All people believe in something. Everyone knows that.) An arguer would need omniscience to know about everyone's beliefs or disbeliefs or about their knowledge. Beware of words like "all," "everyone," "everything," "absolute."



appeal to faith: (e.g., if you have no faith, you cannot learn) if the arguer relies on faith as the bases of his argument, then you can gain little from further discussion. Faith, by definition, relies on a belief that does not rest on logic or evidence. Faith depends on irrational thought and produces intransigence.



appeal to tradition (similar to the bandwagon fallacy): (e.g., astrology, religion, slavery) just because people practice a tradition, says nothing about its viability.



argument from authority (argumentum ad verecundiam): using the words of an "expert" or authority as the bases of the argument instead of using the logic or evidence that supports an argument. (e.g., Professor so-and-so believes in creation-science.) Simply because an authority makes a claim does not necessarily mean he got it right. If an arguer presents the testimony from an expert, look to see if it accompanies reason and sources of evidence behind it.



argument from adverse consequences: (e.g., We should judge the accused as guilty, otherwise others will commit similar crimes) Just because a repugnant crime or act occurred, does not necessarily mean that a defendant committed the crime or that we should judge him guilty. (Or: disasters occur because God punishes non-believers; therefore, we should all believe in God) Just because calamities or tragedies occur, says nothing about the existence of gods or that we should believe in a certain way.



argumentum ad baculum: An argument based on an appeal to fear or a threat. (e.g., If you don't believe in God, you'll burn in hell)



argumentum ad ignorantiam: A misleading argument used in reliance on people's ignorance.



argumentum ad populum: An argument aimed to sway popular support by appealing to sentimental weakness rather than facts and reasons.



bandwagon fallacy: concluding that an idea has merit simply because many people believe it or practice it. (e.g., Most people believe in a god; therefore, it must prove true.) Simply because many people may believe something says nothing about the fact of that something. For example many people during the Black plague believed that demons caused disease. The number of believers say nothing at all about the cause of disease.



begging the question (or assuming the answer): (e.g., We must encourage our youth to worship God to instill moral behavior.) But does religion and worship actually produce moral behavior?



circular reasoning: stating in one's proposition that which one aims to prove. (e.g. God exists because the Bible says so; the Bible exists because God influenced it.)



composition fallacy: when the conclusion of an argument depends on an erroneous characteristic from parts of something to the whole or vice versa. (e.g., Humans have consciousness and human bodies and brains consist of atoms; therefore, atoms have consciousness. Or: a word processor program consists of many bytes; therefore a byte forms a fraction of a word processor.)



confirmation bias (similar to observational selection): This refers to a form of selective thinking that focuses on evidence that supports what believers already believe while ignoring evidence that refutes their beliefs. Confirmation bias plays a stronger role when people base their beliefs upon faith, tradition and prejudice. For example, if someone believes in the power of prayer, the believer will notice the few "answered" prayers while ignoring the majority of unanswered prayers (which would indicate that prayer has no more value than random chance at worst or a placebo effect, when applied to health effects, at best).



confusion of correlation and causation: (e.g., More men play chess than women, therefore, men make better chess players than women. Or: Children who watch violence on TV tend to act violently when they grow up.) But does television programming cause violence or do violence oriented children prefer to watch violent programs? Perhaps an entirely different reason creates violence not related to television at all. Stephen Jay Gould called the invalid assumption that correlation implies cause as "probably among the two or three most serious and common errors of human reasoning" (The Mismeasure of Man).



excluded middle (or false dichotomy): considering only the extremes. Many people use Aristotelian either/or logic tending to describe in terms of up/down, black/white, true/false, love/hate, etc. (e.g., You either like it or you don't. He either stands guilty or not guilty.) Many times, a continuum occurs between the extremes that people fail to see. The universe also contains many "maybes."



half truths (suppressed evidence): An statement usually intended to deceive that omits some of the facts necessary for an accurate description.



loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)



meaningless question: (e.g., "How high is up?" "Is everything possible?") "Up" describes a direction, not a measurable entity. If everything proved possible, then the possibility exists for the impossible, a contradiction. Although everything may not prove possible, there may occur an infinite number of possibilities as well as an infinite number of impossibilities. Many meaningless questions include empty words such as "is," "are," "were," "was," "am," "be," or "been."



misunderstanding the nature of statistics: (e.g., the majority of people in the United States die in hospitals, therefore, stay out of them.) "Statistics show that of those who contract the habit of eating, very few survive." -- Wallace Irwin



non sequitur: Latin for "It does not follow." An inference or conclusion that does not follow from established premises or evidence. (e.g., there occured an increase of births during the full moon. Conclusion: full moons cause birth rates to rise.) But does a full moon actually cause more births, or did it occur for other reasons, perhaps from expected statistical variations?



observational selection (similar to confirmation bias): pointing out favorable circumstances while ignoring the unfavorable. Anyone who goes to Las Vegas gambling casinos will see people winning at the tables and slots. The casino managers make sure to install bells and whistles to announce the victors, while the losers never get mentioned. This may lead one to conclude that the chances of winning appear good while in actually just the reverse holds true.



post hoc, ergo propter hoc: Latin for "It happened after, so it was caused by." Similar to a non sequitur, but time dependent. (e.g. She got sick after she visited China, so something in China caused her sickness.) Perhaps her sickness derived from something entirely independent from China.



proving non-existence: when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). Although one may prove non-existence in special limitations, such as showing that a box does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence, or non-existence out of ignorance. One cannot prove something that does not exist. The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.



red herring: when the arguer diverts the attention by changing the subject.



reification fallacy: when people treat an abstract belief or hypothetical construct as if it represented a concrete event or physical entity. Examples: IQ tests as an actual measure of intelligence; the concept of race (even though genetic attributes exist), from the chosen combination of attributes or the labeling of a group of people, come from abstract social constructs; Astrology; god(s); Jesus; Santa Claus, etc.



slippery slope: a change in procedure, law, or action, will result in adverse consequences. (e.g., If we allow doctor assisted suicide, then eventually the government will control how we die.) It does not necessarily follow that just because we make changes that a slippery slope will occur.



special pleading: the assertion of new or special matter to offset the opposing party's allegations. A presentation of an argument that emphasizes only a favorable or single aspect of the question at issue. (e.g. How can God create so much suffering in the world? Answer: You have to understand that God moves in mysterious ways and we have no privilege to this knowledge. Or: Horoscopes work, but you have to understand the theory behind it.)



statistics of small numbers: similar to observational selection (e.g., My parents smoked all their lives and they never got cancer. Or: I don't care what others say about Yugos, my Yugo has never had a problem.) Simply because someone can point to a few favorable numbers says nothing about the overall chances.



straw man: creating a false scenario and then attacking it. (e.g., Evolutionists think that everything came about by random chance.) Most evolutionists think in terms of natural selection which may involve incidental elements, but does not depend entirely on random chance. Painting your opponent with false colors only deflects the purpose of the argument.



two wrongs make a right: trying to justify what we did by accusing someone else of doing the same. (e.g. how can you judge my actions when you do exactly the same thing?) The guilt of the accuser has no relevance to the discussion.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:21 PM
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13. Thank you Brother B.
I needed this list.. (My 16 year old is getting uppity - in a good way - and I want him to have a few good tools in his box)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:51 PM
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14. Class, take a seat.
thanks Buzz
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:58 PM
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16. Kudos. Lots of begging the question, among other sleights of speech in the
RW vernacular....thanks for the post.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:02 PM
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17. Thanks you, BrotherBuzz! Saving that to my desktop
and I'm gonna READ IT EVERY DAY!

:toast:
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:35 PM
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18. There are enough Logic Fallacies to make a 'fallacy a day' callendar.
I'd buy one (hint, hint, desktop publisher entrepreneurs).

Oh, I sent the list to my desktop, too. Thanks for the idea.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:24 AM
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3. you don't have to shout
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neurochaos Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:33 AM
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5. sorry, just wanted to get your attention
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:59 AM
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10. good job, welcome to DU and merry Christmas
aka giftmas, happy holiday etc
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:47 PM
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11. Hi neurochaos!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:34 AM
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6. Having an enemies list of American civilians could put Mr. Olielly
in the sights of the HS boyz.
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dargondogon Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:42 AM
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9. GET A HEARING AID, DUDE
But thanks for sharing. I hope you're right about the straw man. Unfortunately, a mob of flying monkeys led by Falwell is using this issue to beat the media into submission again. CNN even adopted the "War on Christmas" language for its story last night, citing some homeowners' association that sent (what I think was) a computer-generated letter telling some saintly Iraq emigrants (why aren't they back home, building a real democracy?) they had to take down their "nativity scene." Apparently there wasn't a database entry (I surmise) in the association's nasty-letter mail-merge database for "plastic Santa" or "Rudolph" or "Frosty the Snowman," so the letter to the Iraqi refugees seemed anti-Christian because it only mentioned the Christian ornamentation, not the non-Christian flotsam.

Anyway, how this housing association's snooty attitude toward lawn ornamentation fits in with the ACLU's attacks on publicly funded displays is beyond me. Seems like I've heard the ACLU defend private religious displays. Yet CNN didn't bother to point out that nuance. Instead, it was all lumped in together with the worldwide conspiracy against Christmas that "some are calling a war on Christmas."
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:55 PM
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15. "whipping boy"
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