It's possible I've lost my mind, but

perhaps the good folks of DU can help me find it.

I'm just now reading the front (news) section of the Washington Post, and I come to this article - http://tinyurl.com/addd4 - about Cheney speaking at Fort Drum. I'm reading his usual bullshit, and I come to this quote:

"Some have suggested by liberating Iraq from Saddam Hussein we simply stirred up a hornet's nest. They overlook a fundamental fact: We were not in Iraq in September 2001 and the terrorists hit us anyway."

Now, I know I'm old, and it's entirely possible that some part of my mind departed overnight, but that line about us not being in Iraq in 2001 and getting hit anyway MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE TO ME.

Am I missing something?

Is it time for OLL to enter The Home?

Thank you.

A form of "doublespeak", but neo-cons are too dumb to see how the staement is meaningless.

Just a different and more devious way to connect Saddam to 9/11 even though he had nothing to do with it. We might as well bomb everybody because of something that hasn't happened yet.

And it boggles my mind that a good portion of the public still accepts it as truth!

We were not in Japan but the enemy hit Pearl Harbor anyway.

I don't understand this either. ... ANYWAY?

Even though we were not in Iraq, the enemy struck us anyway, even though they were not a hornet's nest yet. SO now that it is a hornets nest, things will get worse?...Is that the message?

You need a Cheney interpreter.

We were not in Bolivia and the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor anyway.

It's hard to find reasoning sufficiently strained.

Cheney's just saying the same old same old. You know, it's funny. On one hand, they have admitted there was no link between Saddam and 9/11, but on the other hand, they allude to it all the time.

between Hussein and Al Quaida. And what would they know...? They're only the largest, most lavishly-funded and extensively networked intelligence service in history.

already before 9/11. And we've done a lot of unpopular things in the Middle East both before and after 9/11. So I think that's a pretty asinine statement on their part.

Bastards...

Saddam = 9/11 without saying Saddam = 9/11 outright so we can slap the shit outta them for it.

Did you happen upon Stephanie's pic post of the Five Time Deferment Champ pinning purple hearts on real public servants? Command can order troops to behave, but they can't wipe the disdain of their faces.

You got a link to that one?

I cannot believe the nerve - the utter gall - of this mofo. Maybe that's what confused me - the complete refusal to back down from what everyone knows now is a lie.

And, of course, in front of the troops.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

Oh, he's such a fucking HERO before a captive audience, isn't he?

Oh, man, just when I think I can't get any more pissed off, THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!!!!!!!

Thank you, dear havocmom. There'll be a little something in your Inbox for this one .......... ;)

Have a drink; it's Happy Hour somewhere.

Pandering as usual. Said when he was last there as the Sec'y of Defense that the best soldiers and best post was the 10th Mtn at Ft. Drum and now as the VP he wanted to say that the best ..., you get the drift. Kind of what you'd expect (Seattle Rocks!/How 'bout those Packers!). Bunch of shallow, lonely old white men wishing they were cool.

Think the moran's point was:
We got attacked and we weren't even in Iraq, so how could anyone say getting out would make us safer? You gotta catapult the propaganda. What a back-handed way to say "we ain't leaving"?

Don't try to make sense of it, they only want to blather on to cheering crowds and leave some vague illusion of resolve to mollify the base.

He looks as if he doesn't want to touch that soldier.

I would say that one is a dandy!

Substitute just about any country, and it makes just as much sense as using "Iraq" in that sentence.

WTF?

We were in Iraq. Unless those "No fly zones" were maintained by imaginary troops?

Is Cheney insulting our military by not acknowledging their service in protecting the Kurds and Kuwaitis?

"Well, how can people say our actions in Iraq have spawned terrorism? Who hit whom first, America or the terrorists? Which came first, 9/11 or the Iraq invasion?" OK, he probably wouldn't use the word "invasion", but "liberation" or some such fool thing.

Of course, by mentioning Iraq and terrorism at the same time, he's reinforcing his old blather about some sort of connection between Hussein and the WTC/Pentagon attacks. And also of course, he will say, or at least the lawyers in his upcoming impeachment trial will parse it to say, "We didn't actually say again that there was a connection". No, but he certainly implied it again.

Very cagey, Mr Cheney, very cagey. But we're wise to you, you must know that, because you're not that dumb or there'd be no reason for you to keep Bush around.

it's Cheney that needs to be put in the home.

What the hell does one have to do with the other!!!!!!!

Too bad Poland didn't invade Iraq in about 1938.

:)

That's because you are intelligent and your mind hasn't left you. It's one of them thar "misleading statements" that they are so fond of using and then later denying.

We - and other NATO forces - were flying over, inspecting and keeping Saddam contained.

Still, one has nothing to do with the other. Iraq didn't plan, fund or carry out 9/11. That was a terrorist cell made up primarily of Saudi's, a country otherwise known as Friends of Carlisle.

Logic.

The English language including the definition of the word torture.

People both innocent and suspect.

Anyone trying to make sense of his lying idiocy.

The truth.

The law.

The nation.

Thank you for pointing out yet another example of a Vice President who is so clearly incorrect no rational, reasonable, logical person can make sense his remarks.

He sounds like his brain is broken but he’s just doing a crappy job of lying again.

welcome to DU.

I'm glad I've not lost my mind. There's still so much to do.

Again, welcome!

Contemplate it long enough, and you will attain Sartori.

that a someone ask Cheney to explain that statement on one of the Sunday shows, and keep hammering at him until we get an answer. Because it makes no sense what so ever.

Ah, thanks, and welcome to DU!

You're off to a grand start, Bjarne.

Well, we all are, actually.

Cheers........

Just part of the plan, leftie, just part of the plan.

"i'll try to stay serene and calm,
when Alabama gets the bomb"

Who's Next?
-Tom Lehrer-

this is g-dub's 'Murica and your questioning our Most Holy President and his Apostles is communist in nature.

now take this pill and drink your kool-aid.

"They pulled the mind-scramble on us! They opened their eyes and talked!

~Lost Boys

:crazy:

You may indeed be crazy, but it's not cuz nothing makes sense anymore...

:toast:

and enough times it will be believed.....they are so out of touch it boggles the mind......thanks for the post.

But this is the Administration that doesn't admit mistakes. God wouldn't have appointed them, after all if they were ordinary, mistake prone, human beings.

Since it is impossible that this Admin, in performance of God's Will to invade Iraq, made a mistake, any old drivel that issues from either Bush or Cheney's mouth that justifies the war is also perfect and infallible.

If Cheney says that Iraq was involved in 9/11 because we weren't in Iraq on 9/11 and the US was still attacked, so the attack must have, retroactively, have had something to do with Iraq is simply a prophecy and revelation that we have yet to decipher. (See, it all fits, you just have to be fluent in 'Bush-speak.')

...that we were not in Iraq in September 2001 and the terrorists hit us anyway

I heard this 'talking point' on the TV, just within the past week.


Gee, Would there have been no attacks if we had always been in Iraq?

There's one interpretation that makes sense. Sure he's using the old conflation/repetition angle in a new way, but he's saying something rational as well here:

He's saying that if we get attacked by terrorists again it won't be his fault; because it happened before we went into Iraq, if it happens again because of Iraq it's not his fault.

Of course that's rationalizing that is consistent with that of a sociopath or antisocial personality disorder. He's avoiding the whole subject of Iraq itself to focus on a questionable 'inevitability'. It reminds me of some RWers I argued with before the war began who said, basically, that we're doomed anyway, so we might as well kill a lot of people before we go. They're clinging to their discredited worldview with tenacity.

Of course I could be reading too much into it. :)

argument because no one has ever suggested that a hornet's nest was ever stirred up; In fact, and far more deadlier than some hornet nest is the daily death and destruction chaos and civil war that has been created since 2003, which also was not present in Iraq during September 2001.

:)

IMHO!! So much more, but it would be UNWISE for me to list everything that he is here at DU!!!

I don't think there isn't anything negative I HAVEN'T called him! And I also have a few places in mind where he can go and sell his HORSE-SHIT!!!

Mark Warner won't let him.

heh heh heh

It's possible that he's making no sense AND you're losing your mind.

:P

you big bitch.

;)

in place of Cheneyspeak. Real words in parenthesis; "Some (Those Smart-ass Liberals) have suggested by liberating Iraq from Saddam Hussein (Occupying Iraq) we simply stirred up a hornet's nest (Pissed off some people who never gave us a moment's thought before but want to kill us, now). They (Those Smart-ass Liberals, again) overlook (Point out)a fundamental fact: We were not in (Occupying) Iraq in September 2001 and the terrorists (Al-Qaida) hit us anyway."

What he means is, BushCo can't be blamed for creating terrorists in Iraq because terrorists already existed in other countries and they hated us before they had a better reason to hate us, see? LOL

THE PUSSYCAT PRIZE!!!!!!!!

the most supreme thing that can ever happen to anyone in their whole, entire life, yeah.

Unless, of course, you win THE DOWNHILL SQUIRREL!!!!



This is rarely, if ever, awarded.................

Cat ;)

nutty ...............



;)

listening to anyone in that foul administration.

So just stop pointing it out when they do. :spank:

Unfortunately, it works for the rubes and others not paying attention.

Trying to makes sense of the world the PNACons* occupy is enough to drive any sane person to distraction.

Step 1 for this nation and its leaders is to face facts about the current occupants of the executive branch. These people are incapable of doing anything but more damage. The criminality and incompetence of this regime cannot be tolerated. That's the grim reality.

Facing these facts demands action: the Impeachment of Bush and Cheney. We must assert our authority as sovereigns to purge and punish.

They've lied and terrorized the American people with their threats of a mushroom cloud. They've abused power. Their failures have been criminal negligence and their actions have been just plain criminal. Many of us have long known this, but we are no longer voices in the wilderness. The nation is seeing the truth.

These are dangerous people that must be disarmed. Now.

Supporting the pretense of their legitimacy by offering "plans" to them, rather then fighting for Impeachment and removal from office, is to be complicit with their actions.

*PNACons (pee na cons). The ones who put themselves above the law and act from the unwavering belief in the right of their small group to rule. Those who gleefully conspire to thwart the will of the American people to grab and consolidate the power they believe they have a right to. The ones who conspired to con and terrorize us with the threats of mushrooms clouds. The ones who view the rest of humanity as pawns to be manipulated to their own ends. The ones who twist reality to justify the atrocities they commit in our name.

and it still doesn't make sense

People don't listen to the words. They follow the sneer, the casual and unfeeling delivery. And they remember the applause line of nine eleven.

All Cheney wants them to do is remember 9/11 and the pain of the day. So maybe Iraq didn't deserve to be invaded, but hey, we didn't deserve 9/11, and maybe thousands of Iraqis didn't deserve to die, but neither did thousands of Americans. "SO LAY OFF, THE WORLD'S A TOUGH PLACE, LIFE'S UNFAIR."

It implicitly makes us the same sort of hateful demogogic monsters as alqaeda. Osama and Bush followers find it appealing. They want a return to the certainty and unity of a common hatred.

absolutely brilliant.

LOGIC 101

This statement IS equivalent to:

"If terrorism doesn't get worse, then we didn't start a war based on lies in Iraq."

This state is NOT equivalent to:

"If we don't start a war based on lies in Iraq, then terrorism will not get worse."

or

"If terrorism gets worse, then we stated a war based on lies in Iraq."

This statement bears NO RESEMBLANCE WHATSOEVER to:

Anything that comes out of Cheney's diseased mouth.

you may still be losing your mind anyway

so don't despair.

he has gone so far as saying that, prior to the election. no others will keep it up like cheney. then his wife will deny he says it. but yes,.... it is right there. and it is not the first time he has said exactly that. i like what one poster said. IF saddam is responsible for 9/11, we have him. lets charge him for those three thousand deaths and screw what he did in his country

we charge him with it? We had him in custody, and could have, and still could. Nothing there.

I read today that in Saddam's trial they're having people testify who say they were tortured, not be Saddamn, but by other people in his regime. He is being held responsible for the actions of those under him. Ergo, why don't we have Cheney and Rumsfeld and Bush on trial for the tortures at Abu Ghraib?

The upshot of Cheney's casual disdain of his listeners is that, "I have the power and you don't, so don't expect logic from me. F___ your logic!"

Cheney is simply off the wall. When you begin doubting yourself, remember what the good doctor suggested that Cheney do when Cheney was speaking in the disaster area after Hurricane Katrina. "Oh Mr. Cheney why don't you go F*** yourself?" He was arrested for saying it, but I'll bet it was worth it.

Granted, the suggestion was not physically possible, but then who else is going to do it for Cheney?:headbang:

by laying the foundation that the terra-ists were zeroed in on the US until Chumpy's cabal redirected the war back into Iraq, which is keeping Democracy growing there and here too?

Fried chicken must prevent heart attacks, then.

:crazy: :silly: :crazy:

is that better?